RE: 2019 Ford Focus ST: PH Meets
Discussion
James_33 said:
I must be the odd one out to be honest, probably because i will never afford anything like this but what are we talking here £30k or so for something that basically blends in with every other car on the road today and if in this car pictured, if it wasn't for the colour you probably wouldn't give it a second glance?
Until quite recently this is always the way with hot hatches. Look at the 205 GTi, 306 GTi, golf GTI, civic type R before 2014, older Astra's, xr2s etc. Back in the 80s and 90s you'd put a body kit on it if you wanted to stand out.Burgerbob said:
Until quite recently this is always the way with hot hatches. Look at the 205 GTi, 306 GTi, golf GTI, civic type R before 2014, older Astra's, xr2s etc. Back in the 80s and 90s you'd put a body kit on it if you wanted to stand out.
And as nearly every car you see is an S Line, M Sport, R Line, ST Line etc - it makes it harder for the actual performance models to jump out especially if it's to be done without any changes in metal.I have a MK3 Focus RS - different front bumper, rear bumper and roof spoiler that's your lot effectively!
I really don't understand what is expected to be done
These are 20-30k cars, not 300k super/hypercars. There is no margin to change every single body panel
If money is spent on cosmetics, less is spent on chassis/engine - PH moans
Drives worse - PH moans even though it looks good
You can't have everything for nothing
What's with all the back in the old days b
ks. A mk1 GTI has a red grill insert and some wheels, 205 GTI similar etc etc. They're hot hatches, this is their DNA
These are 20-30k cars, not 300k super/hypercars. There is no margin to change every single body panel
If money is spent on cosmetics, less is spent on chassis/engine - PH moans
Drives worse - PH moans even though it looks good
You can't have everything for nothing
What's with all the back in the old days b
ks. A mk1 GTI has a red grill insert and some wheels, 205 GTI similar etc etc. They're hot hatches, this is their DNAShiv_P said:
I really don't understand what is expected to be done
These are 20-30k cars, not 300k super/hypercars. There is no margin to change every single body panel
If money is spent on cosmetics, less is spent on chassis/engine - PH moans
Drives worse - PH moans even though it looks good
You can't have everything for nothing
What's with all the back in the old days bks. A mk1 GTI has a red grill insert and some wheels, 205 GTI similar etc etc. They're hot hatches, this is their DNA
This is the thing though, you say that "you can't have everything for nothing" but £30k isn't exactly nothing is it?? These are 20-30k cars, not 300k super/hypercars. There is no margin to change every single body panel
If money is spent on cosmetics, less is spent on chassis/engine - PH moans
Drives worse - PH moans even though it looks good
You can't have everything for nothing
What's with all the back in the old days b
ks. A mk1 GTI has a red grill insert and some wheels, 205 GTI similar etc etc. They're hot hatches, this is their DNAI'm not saying it's a bad car or it looks horrid, simply that cars of today simply seem to blend in with everything else, and maybe that's not helped like someone before me posted due to the fact that there's so many of these so called "lines" now where you can pretty much have the styling of the top models but without the performance figures, which is maybe why a lot of people don't get so excited by how these performance versions look because there's not much to differentiate between them.
Again it's something i will never be able to afford so probably irrelevant what i think.
James_33 said:
This is the thing though, you say that "you can't have everything for nothing" but £30k isn't exactly nothing is it??
I'm not saying it's a bad car or it looks horrid, simply that cars of today simply seem to blend in with everything else, and maybe that's not helped like someone before me posted due to the fact that there's so many of these so called "lines" now where you can pretty much have the styling of the top models but without the performance figures, which is maybe why a lot of people don't get so excited by how these performance versions look because there's not much to differentiate between them.
Again it's something i will never be able to afford so probably irrelevant what i think.
Were hot hatches ever distinguishable from their regular brethren?I'm not saying it's a bad car or it looks horrid, simply that cars of today simply seem to blend in with everything else, and maybe that's not helped like someone before me posted due to the fact that there's so many of these so called "lines" now where you can pretty much have the styling of the top models but without the performance figures, which is maybe why a lot of people don't get so excited by how these performance versions look because there's not much to differentiate between them.
Again it's something i will never be able to afford so probably irrelevant what i think.
Different wheels, red stripes. Done. The money was spent on engine and chassis.
Again, £30k in 2004 was worth £20k - what a golf mk5 GTI was priced at brand new. In 1986, worth £10k. Relatively to other cars on the road it's not a lot of money for a brand new car.
Shiv_P said:
Were hot hatches ever distinguishable from their regular brethren?
Different wheels, red stripes. Done. The money was spent on engine and chassis.
Again, £30k in 2004 was worth £20k - what a golf mk5 GTI was priced at brand new. In 1986, worth £10k. Relatively to other cars on the road it's not a lot of money for a brand new car.
I agree that on the grand scale of things £30k isn't a lot of money, especially when you see what you can spend on one if your lucky enough to have the cash available for the latest models etc.Different wheels, red stripes. Done. The money was spent on engine and chassis.
Again, £30k in 2004 was worth £20k - what a golf mk5 GTI was priced at brand new. In 1986, worth £10k. Relatively to other cars on the road it's not a lot of money for a brand new car.
I did once watch a Mr JWW video or at least i think it was him when he was doing his modern classic videos generally ranging from the early 2000s , talking essentially about cars that don't have all the modern tech that comes with the latest models but are either at least as enjoyable if not more enjoyable than the current market, and that with future cars are we needing to go backwards to go forwards? If that makes sense?
James_33 said:
Shiv_P said:
Were hot hatches ever distinguishable from their regular brethren?
Different wheels, red stripes. Done. The money was spent on engine and chassis.
Again, £30k in 2004 was worth £20k - what a golf mk5 GTI was priced at brand new. In 1986, worth £10k. Relatively to other cars on the road it's not a lot of money for a brand new car.
I agree that on the grand scale of things £30k isn't a lot of money, especially when you see what you can spend on one if your lucky enough to have the cash available for the latest models etc.Different wheels, red stripes. Done. The money was spent on engine and chassis.
Again, £30k in 2004 was worth £20k - what a golf mk5 GTI was priced at brand new. In 1986, worth £10k. Relatively to other cars on the road it's not a lot of money for a brand new car.
I did once watch a Mr JWW video or at least i think it was him when he was doing his modern classic videos generally ranging from the early 2000s , talking essentially about cars that don't have all the modern tech that comes with the latest models but are either at least as enjoyable if not more enjoyable than the current market, and that with future cars are we needing to go backwards to go forwards? If that makes sense?
AFourCab said:
Good to see Tangerine Scream - or something similar to it - returns. Quite an attractive thing, compared to others in this class.
I think this is definitely an area where it trumps the Golf, you see plenty of colour varieties with the Focus whereas anything other than a monochrome Golf is few and far between.darreni said:
I saw a new st on Friday, being driven enthusiastically, it looked & sounded great. I’d be tempted as a daily drive.
Sure it wasn't an ST Line?Even in the article (As other publications mention) they have to wait a few more weeks before they get to drive it - so the chances there's an ST flying around before the press get their hands on it is slim
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