RE: Ford Mondeo ST220 | Shed Buying Guide

RE: Ford Mondeo ST220 | Shed Buying Guide

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ericmcn

1,999 posts

96 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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monzaxjr said:
Bit harsh. I would imagine a manual Spec B would keep either of those honest. Certainly not much in it going by the figures.
I want to make him the fool he is but he would never meet up for a track day - he has some serious rose tinted glasses going in fairness - this arrogance is hardly surprising from a BMW owner is it, like Yonex and his best in class 320 derv - I had one up my bumper on the A34 this morning on the way to work but he couldnt keep the pace and eventually was a mere speck in my rear view mirror.

ericmcn

1,999 posts

96 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
Sign of the times now unfortunately, it's the domain of the diesel driving commuter where MPG is king.
diesels are $hit, always will be - no matter if they get 678mpg they will always be shiite!

A1VDY

3,575 posts

126 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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ericmcn said:
Mr Tidy said:
Really, many of us think a 220 bhp FWD Mondeo is a bit limp - the same as a 3 litre Subaru with just 241 bhp.

You could always get a BMW E9*Series with 258 bhp, or an E85/6 with 265 bhp - I've got one of each because I couldn't deal with the misery of the Subaru lack of performance - total cr*p!
you need to get your head out of whatever bucket its stuck in, your mighty BMW 330 is no faster than my Subaru, if you think the BMW is going to blow away the Subaru - well good luck. You can also get a BMW 330 for probably less than a 3.0 Spec B manual also, try not to cry- the Subaru will have more toys also than the bog standard BMW unless some sucker got ripped off by BMW

Like I said, we have tracks and private places to try this out and make you more the fool you already are - we can get it stickied also so you will forever be remembered as another of the blinkered rose tinted fanboys.
He's also forgetting the uks clogged roads and low speed limits but the nerd needs ever more power. A lowly subaru with a measly 240hp is never going to be enough for the geeky ones like this.
Picture this... Goofy looking with buck teeth, milk bottle bottom glasses, skinny and has dandruff, a real Timothy eagerly clutching with limp wrist his Evo mag..


monzaxjr

549 posts

145 months

Tuesday 28th May 2019
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ericmcn said:
I want to make him the fool he is but he would never meet up for a track day - he has some serious rose tinted glasses going in fairness - this arrogance is hardly surprising from a BMW owner is it, like Yonex and his best in class 320 derv - I had one up my bumper on the A34 this morning on the way to work but he couldnt keep the pace and eventually was a mere speck in my rear view mirror.
I do know some decent BMW owners. Was one myself. biggrin However this one sounds a complete tool.

Ex X Power

89 posts

137 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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Mr Tidy said:
ericmcn said:
many folk here seem to be convinced that a 320d is a better engine than a 3.0 flat 6 also, so yeah the world has changed quite a bit (for the worse)
Really, many of us think a 220 bhp FWD Mondeo is a bit limp - the same as a 3 litre Subaru with just 241 bhp.

You could always get a BMW E9*Series with 258 bhp, or an E85/6 with 265 bhp - I've got one of each because I couldn't deal with the misery of the Subaru lack of performance - total cr*p!
This has got to be a troll surely... pathetic performance from a whole 24bhp less.... Now try using that whopping power advantage in anything other than bone dry conditions and both the Mondeo and the Subaru will be down the road.....

These cars always get the same, Vectra GSi, Mondeo, MG ZS180... how do they get so little power from such a big engine?.... Well thats what V6 power output was at the time, Your average 2 litre rep mobile only had 130bhp back then

As people say, sensibly a 320d MSport is probably a better proposition, they do everything quite well, They also do being incredibly dull quite well... Give me crap mpg and a V6 petrol anyday of the week

AndySheff

6,630 posts

206 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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Well I'm another that at one point was on the lookout for one of these. Fancied one as a daily cruiser, but in the end I bought a 2.0 Ghia. I was happy with that anyway. Got reasonable mileage and was nice and roomy for family trips, airport runs and such. The rear legroom was just as generous as an Xc90 we had at the time.
Still sort of lusted after the ST though.
Ah well.

Howard-

4,950 posts

201 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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FYI for those splitting hairs about the power output, the general consensus was they put out a bit more than 220 BHP as a rule.

Mine output 236 BHP on a rolling road (which was known for giving very accurate crank HP figures).

In its day, I don't think 230-235 BHP from a 3.0 naturally aspirated engine, or 0-60 in 6.8s in an FWD vehicle, or 35-37 MPG on a run could be considered bad.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 29th May 2019
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That Duratec V6 always was superb, as was the Jaguar AJV6 derived from it. Lots of lovely induction noise, unlike the farting exhaust noise that is fashionable now, and very free revving. Underrated, IMHO, and one of the best mainstream V6 engines ever.

As with all these old medium displacement NASP petrols these cars are no more than somewhat brisk by modern standards, and you'll have to get used to the idea of wringing it's neck to keep up with any modern 2.0d being driven moderately hard, but who cares when it sounds so good and costs so little to buy.

Christmassss

650 posts

88 months

Friday 31st May 2019
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ericmcn said:
you need to get your head out of whatever bucket its stuck in, your mighty BMW 330 is no faster than my Subaru, if you think the BMW is going to blow away the Subaru - well good luck. You can also get a BMW 330 for probably less than a 3.0 Spec B manual also, try not to cry- the Subaru will have more toys also than the bog standard BMW unless some sucker got ripped off by BMW

Like I said, we have tracks and private places to try this out and make you more the fool you already are - we can get it stickied also so you will forever be remembered as another of the blinkered rose tinted fanboys.
Chill your boots son. I can't remember the last time i was able to come on the internet without having a mid range legacy shoved down my throat. quite why you didn't get the 2.5T is beyond me, or even an Impreza seeing as you went for the saloon over the estate, but hey...that is your choice.

But going around trying to make out it is the fastest car in the world (race me bro) with all the toys...ummm...sat nav i think is the only 'toy' in those...and a 9k rev limit is embarrassing for you. You didnt own a Polo GTI at any point did you, i once heard they were the fastest cars in the world too.

ericmcn

1,999 posts

96 months

Friday 31st May 2019
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Christmassss said:
Chill your boots son. I can't remember the last time i was able to come on the internet without having a mid range legacy shoved down my throat. quite why you didn't get the 2.5T is beyond me, or even an Impreza seeing as you went for the saloon over the estate, but hey...that is your choice.

But going around trying to make out it is the fastest car in the world (race me bro) with all the toys...ummm...sat nav i think is the only 'toy' in those...and a 9k rev limit is embarrassing for you. You didnt own a Polo GTI at any point did you, i once heard they were the fastest cars in the world too.
Im not making out its the fastest but its certainly no slouch as implied by about 99.9% of people here and is more than a match for a 330i BMW. The 2.5GT gets to 60 about a second faster than the 3.0 NA but with a top speed of less than 140mph it's a fair bit off the 3.0, plus the NA is more reliable. I have only ever heard woes from people who owned Turbos. And I don't really want a impreza, if I was 21 perhaps. Also the H6 sounds far better than a turbo IMO, you simply can't beat sound from a flat 6 - ask Porsche owners.

The 9k rev limit is what's on the speedo, big deal you can get it to about 7300rpm before it bounces of the limiter which is still a heck of alot higher than a crap load of cars nowadays.
Bro.


Edited by ericmcn on Friday 31st May 11:54

ericmcn

1,999 posts

96 months

Friday 31st May 2019
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Christmassss said:
ummm...sat nav i think is the only 'toy' in those...
So, umm look at the spec of a BMW from 2008 and a SpecB, it's not just navigation. Subaru were quite generous in supplying HID lights, DVD navigation with DVD/mp3 and Bluetooth, dual climate control, electric heated leather seats all round with memory and cruise control as standard. No way the boys at BMW offered all that without ripping off people.

Trying to be clever doesn't always work in your favour you should at least try and know what you are talking about and it seems you are talking shiite like plenty of others.

Edited by ericmcn on Friday 31st May 12:04

Christmassss

650 posts

88 months

Friday 31st May 2019
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ericmcn said:
So, umm look at the spec of a BMW from 2008 and a SpecB, it's not just navigation. Subaru were quite generous in supplying HID lights, DVD navigation with DVD/mp3 and Bluetooth, dual climate control, electric heated leather seats all round with memory and cruise control as standard. No way the boys at BMW offered all that without ripping off people.

Trying to be clever doesn't always work in your favour you should at least try and know what you are talking about and it seems you are talking shiite like plenty of others.

Edited by ericmcn on Friday 31st May 12:04
HID lights, climate control, leather seats and cruise control are not toys.laugh You might as well add in electric windows, armrest, metallic paint

How is that 9k rev limit working out for you? I never knew legacys had a higher rev limit than an RX7?!




Christmassss

650 posts

88 months

Friday 31st May 2019
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ericmcn said:
Im not making out its the fastest but its certainly no slouch as implied by about 99.9% of people here and is more than a match for a 330i BMW. The 2.5GT gets to 60 about a second faster than the 3.0 NA but with a top speed of less than 140mph it's a fair bit off the 3.0, plus the NA is more reliable. I have only ever heard woes from people who owned Turbos. And I don't really want a impreza, if I was 21 perhaps. Also the H6 sounds far better than a turbo IMO, you simply can't beat sound from a flat 6 - ask Porsche owners.

The 9k rev limit is what's on the speedo, big deal you can get it to about 7300rpm before it bounces of the limiter which is still a heck of alot higher than a crap load of cars nowadays.
Bro.


Edited by ericmcn on Friday 31st May 11:54
I would have thought it is very similar to a 330i. Similar engines and all that. Unsure why the random comparison though, they are both pretty slow cars.

So day to day the 2.5GT would be a quicker car as you would only be able to utilise the greater top speed on a track, which i guess you don't do everyday?

Peak power is at around 6k from memory, so it is of not great surprise 'rep mobiles' as you call them are keeping up with you with no effort if you feel the need to bounce it off the limiter.

Krikkit

26,500 posts

180 months

Friday 31st May 2019
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ericmcn said:
The 9k rev limit is what's on the speedo, big deal you can get it to about 7300rpm before it bounces of the limiter which is still a heck of alot higher than a crap load of cars nowadays.
laugh You're like a little kid who thinks his Dad's Mondeo 1.8 will do 160mph, because that's as far as the speedo goes... Brilliant.

Zad

12,695 posts

235 months

Friday 31st May 2019
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Hey guys, want to see how high you can both pee up this wall?

Because right now you both look like a couple of 8 year olds arguing.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

233 months

Friday 31st May 2019
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Another thread where Eric is talking about his POS Legacy.

Eric, you bought the wrong Subaru my friend. For a man with multiple degrees, that was a bit daft...

FilH

588 posts

143 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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Nice article, proably going to be my next daily runabout. As Could do with an estate.

On the hunt, but seems people arn't selling at the mo, due to that old covid issue.


ideal spec, would be one for £500 with a knackered clutch wink and fix it!

greenarrow

3,551 posts

116 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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FilH said:
Nice article, proably going to be my next daily runabout. As Could do with an estate.

On the hunt, but seems people arn't selling at the mo, due to that old covid issue.


ideal spec, would be one for £500 with a knackered clutch wink and fix it!
I've seen several on my local Facebook market place (Dorset area).

I've been put off a bit by the evidence that these seem to turn into money pits when they get older. Like the one for sale in Salisbury currently on FB, looks nice but advertised with "£2,000 recently spent". On a car advertised for £2500 - yikes!!

FilH

588 posts

143 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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greenarrow said:
I've seen several on my local Facebook market place (Dorset area).

I've been put off a bit by the evidence that these seem to turn into money pits when they get older. Like the one for sale in Salisbury currently on FB, looks nice but advertised with "£2,000 recently spent". On a car advertised for £2500 - yikes!!
guessing that was paid work at a garage? well I hope so, will do all the work required to keep it running myself. Cant be any worse than my current 1997 E38 for costs !

SebringMan

1,773 posts

185 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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I've driven both an E46 330ci ClubSport, and a ST220 as well as owning my 3.0 V6 smile.

This may get me slated but so be it

There isn't alot between them in stock form. The ST dare I say sounds a little nicer when revved ; it's a very sweet engine, which Porsche helped develop to be fair. The 330Ci I drove left me wanting more top end ; Maybe I was expecting M3 levels of top end which is a little unfair.

The gearshift and clutch action of the Mondeo would knock the BMW's shift into a cocked hat ; No vague(ish) shift, and no CDV to throw you off getting that perfectly smooth shift when making progress. The handling of the Mondeo was very good for what it was.

I did used to enjoy surprising people in my 3.0 Ghia X smile. It was part of the appeal.

MPG isn't as bad as people made out either. I would see 20-22MPG in town and around 30 on a run. OK, the M3 is a little better, but that's still on a par with a 306 GTi-6, a 330Ci, and other similar cars.

It seems even with the right ingredients for an analog car, a badge still means more wink.