RE: Volkswagen ID.R attacks the Nordschleife!

[GroundEffect]

Amanitin said:

kambites said:

No chance it'll get close to the Porsche with half the power to weight ratio.

They did the pikes peak in under eight minutes, which is almost as long, has no long straights whatsoever, many more curves (with 14(!) tight hairpins), and most importantly, all uphill (average incline over 7%).
I would not write off the closeness just yet.

It was so good at Pikes Peak because it doesn't lose torque as they climb up the very high altitude vs an ICE car. And the low speed tight hairpins are where a car like this excels.

The Nordschleife is very different. It's hugely fast, not so many slow sections and generally a power and downforce monster of a track. It won't get near the 919.

[unsprung]

any snippet of video?

does it whine like a demon? (yes, hopefully)

[Sandpit Steve]

Good luck to them, records are there to be broken and the VW team look well prepared.

They’ve got a pretty good chance of breaking Stefan Bellof’s legendary 6’11”, I wonder if that’s their real target here - to be the second fastest car ever around the ‘Ring as well as the fastest electric?

I’m pretty sure the 919 Evo team don’t need to be too worried though, nothing short of a contemporary F1 car is going to threaten that ultimate lap time.

[E65Ross]

Amanitin said:

kambites said:

No chance it'll get close to the Porsche with half the power to weight ratio.

They did the pikes peak in under eight minutes, which is almost as long, has no long straights whatsoever, many more curves (with 14(!) tight hairpins), and most importantly, all uphill (average incline over 7%).
I would not write off the closeness just yet.

It won't get close to the 919. I bet my house on it being at least 15 seconds slower, likely more.

JD said:

kambites said:

No chance it'll get close to the Porsche with half the power to weight ratio.

I’m not sure VW have revealed the spec of the car as yet?

I’m sure in the year since Pikes Peak there have been many hours in the garage.

I’d expect it to be up there with the 919, no more than say 15 seconds adrift.

I simply don’t see why VW would do it otherwise.

I'm not sure if you're serious on your latter point? You can't see why they'd do it? To beat the EV record and gain brownie points, and give them a marketing boost for being able to say "our electric cars are so good, we've built the fastest EV vehicle on the planet, and this tech will be trickled down into your EV Passat"

You honestly can't see any reason they'd do this other than to try and beat the outright record? It won't touch the 919. It just won't. Well down on power, and well up on weight, and the 919 Hybrid Evo was hardly lacking in downforce.

[RDMcG]

I am hearing here that it will be killer. Nothing official but they are VERY happy.

[GranCab]

Apparently 40 seconds faster than the other EV thing.

DriveTribe posted the above time on Facebook - then the post was removed.

Edited by GranCab on Monday 3rd June 14:52

[Robmarriott]

6:05 from the grapevine.

[ajprice]

6:05.336, 40 seconds faster than the Nio EP9 EV https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motorsport/volk...

[kambites]

Sounds about right. Much faster than the Nio but nowhere near the absolute record. In fact this would have been the absolute record if not for the Porsche run?

Unless someone puts a modified (fuel flow limit removed) F1 car around there, I can't see that Porsche record falling for a very long time. I'd love to see one of the F1 teams try that.

Edited by kambites on Monday 3rd June 15:09

[ajprice]

Yep, about 6 seconds quicker than Stefan Bellof in the Porsche 956 in 1983.

[E65Ross]

6:05? The bet on my house is safe then I didn't think it'd get anywhere near the 919

Still, that's not slow!

[anonymous-user]

kambites said:

Sounds about right. Much faster than the Nio but nowhere near the absolute record. In fact this would have been the absolute record if not for the Porsche run?

Unless someone puts a modified (fuel flow limit removed) F1 car around there, I can't see that Porsche record falling for a very long time. I'd love to see one of the F1 teams try that.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 3rd June 15:09

Absolutely.

[Turbobanana]

Amuses me that Sven Smeets changed his name by deed poll mid-article

[Terminator X]

EyeHeartSpellin said:

I still can't fully comprehend how anyone can react as fast as required in the video for the Evo. It looks like instant death for 98% of the video. To go faster than that surely starts to become more about the human than the car?

That's why robot drivers are the future ...

TX.

[Housey]

Housey said:

If it gets within 30 seconds of the 919 it has done incredibly well, but the 919 is a different league from an aero and performance standpoint.

As I said the 919 was a totally different league to this car. Why people thought this car would be as quick is beyond comprehension to me. Maths init.

Coming to an internet near you next....

"No car could EVER lap the TT course faster than a bike!!".

Yea, ok sweetheart....

Maffs, init.

[Housey]

ajprice said:

Yep, about 6 seconds quicker than Stefan Bellof in the Porsche 956 in 1983.

Once again evidence, if it were ever needed, of what a lap that was by Bellof. Similar BHP, more downforce perhaps due to ground effects but still it was close to 35 years ago and the tech has moved on massively, not least tyres and traction.

[E65Ross]

Housey said:

ajprice said:

Yep, about 6 seconds quicker than Stefan Bellof in the Porsche 956 in 1983.

Once again evidence, if it were ever needed, of what a lap that was by Bellof. Similar BHP, more downforce perhaps due to ground effects but still it was close to 35 years ago and the tech has moved on massively, not least tyres and traction.

the 956 was an awful lot lighter, I think. If you want to see how the game has changed in 35 years, think of how much quicker the 919 is to the 956.

I genuinely think that if they designed an EV especially for the 'Ring, they'd smash 6 minutes, whether they'd beat the 919 I'm not sure, but I am pretty certain it'd be a lot quicker than 6:05. They were just modifying a car they already had.

[FourWheelDrift]

The circuit has changed since Bellof's lap, they have flattened out the crest before flugplatz for one in 2016 plus others that make it quicker - https://www.autoevolution.com/news/nurbrugring-s-n...

Lap times cannot really be compared with this or the 919. Only compare the VW with the 919.

[anonymous-user]

''6:05.336. While that's some way short of the 5:19.546''

6:05 is an epic time regardless. That said 'some way short' has to be the understatement of the year! 46 seconds is the difference between a viper acr and a honda civic!

[dvs_dave]

FourWheelDrift said:

The circuit has changed since Bellof's lap, they have flattened out the crest before flugplatz for one in 2016 plus others that make it quicker - https://www.autoevolution.com/news/nurbrugring-s-n...

Lap times cannot really be compared with this or the 919. Only compare the VW with the 919.

Yes, the track has been tweaked over the years, but nothing that could suddenly lop 10’s of seconds off a lap, all else being equal. A few seconds total at most made up of 10ths here and there.