RE: Watch onboard video of ID.R's 6min 05.336secs lap
Discussion
Speed1283 said:
Anyway, not meaning to start an EV Vs Petrol debate, I'm well aware that EVs are the future and as posted above I'll be surprised if the outright record isn't beaten by an EV in the next 5 years or so.
Given the increasing pace of development I wouldn't be surprised if we see this go in under 2 years.kambites said:
We are all the results of our upbringing. We like noisy engines because we associate that noise with speed and adrenaline. The next generation (or maybe the one after that) will not and consequently wont miss, or probably even like, the noise of internal combustion engines.
Like it or not, those of us who love internal combustion engines are dinosaurs.
I'm not sure. I was watching it trying to figure out why I wasn't engaged. Sure, it's devastatingly fast, but the pitch of the motors don't give you much indication of how much effort is going into the drive. Faster = higher pitch, but no sense of torque.Like it or not, those of us who love internal combustion engines are dinosaurs.
You're right of course that this is the future, but I suspect in the future the interest in motorsport will become more niche as driving becomes more 'digital' and people have nothing to associate their daily commute in Johnny Cab with some bloke whizzing round a track somewhere.
Tuna said:
I'm not sure. I was watching it trying to figure out why I wasn't engaged. Sure, it's devastatingly fast, but the pitch of the motors don't give you much indication of how much effort is going into the drive. Faster = higher pitch, but no sense of torque.
I am sure. There's an entire generation of people right now who cannot imagine what life was like without the internet or mobile phones; literally the concept of not having these things puzzles them. The same will be said of cars - the forthcoming generations will look at ICE in exactly the same way we look at horse and carts and steam trains.BathyThermo said:
Someone handed you a lid and asked if you wanted to take it a spin round a track, you'd turn them down?
No I wouldn’t but I also wouldn’t turn down a spin round a track in 99.99% of cars. Not sure what your trying to get at. It’s ok for some people not to like the same things.sidesauce said:
Tuna said:
I'm not sure. I was watching it trying to figure out why I wasn't engaged. Sure, it's devastatingly fast, but the pitch of the motors don't give you much indication of how much effort is going into the drive. Faster = higher pitch, but no sense of torque.
I am sure. There's an entire generation of people right now who cannot imagine what life was like without the internet or mobile phones; literally the concept of not having these things puzzles them. The same will be said of cars - the forthcoming generations will look at ICE in exactly the same way we look at horse and carts and steam trains.I think motorsport will continue but folk like engine noises, Formula E isnt bad racing but you want to hear that spine tingling, guttural howl and all the other noises, you want to be able to smell it. A chap I work with is a big F1 buff, but has cock all interest in road cars, he has had a succession of Vauxhall Corsas and is due to replace his 2010 model (bought new) with a 2019 one.
I really want to see the developments in EV tech and I look forward to an EV claiming the record from the 919, its progress but it doesnt entirely make the IC redundant.
For some uses, i.e. utility transport, the big one it will start to dominate as it is the best solution to get folk around quietly, cleanly, efficiently and safety in towns and cities.
Like when cars came out, horse usage dwindled as a car is better at carting stuff and people, plus its less likely to go barmy as its seen a bin bag fluttering out of the corner of its eye or kick the s
t out of you, but, inexplicable, some people still like massive techy mammals as a hobby, and they arent all from 1893, my nieces all have a horse each.
So I think the IC will be kept alive, it will thrive but nobody will have a four cylinder 1.0 supermini, it will be an EV. I cant see supercars going 100 percent electric, McLaren will probably have a "heritage" range or something.
Motorsport will still be mainly petrol based and a lot of folk in petrol cars will turn up to watch it, but Doris and Bert going to Sainsburys, who isnt remotely arsed will go in their Kia EV, some may have an EV for in the week and a weekend car, just like now, after all a 4 cyl diesel repmobile isnt a huge loss as a powertrain, compared to an electric motor.
People still buy turntables to play music, my middle son has a pair of them despite being born 22 years ago and never having had one in the house growing up.
its easy to look at it all as doom and gloom, but its a big world, a lot of people and though things will change, the old ways will remain, after all someone keeps Austin Allegros going so doesnt seem a massive leap to think that someone may keep Ferraris and Porsches going.
We are in the future of twenty years ago today, its not that bad despite all the moaning, can still buy a V8 car and drive it yourself, google and the government havent enslaved us just yet, and do you really think our government are up to enslaving anything ?
I really want to see the developments in EV tech and I look forward to an EV claiming the record from the 919, its progress but it doesnt entirely make the IC redundant.
For some uses, i.e. utility transport, the big one it will start to dominate as it is the best solution to get folk around quietly, cleanly, efficiently and safety in towns and cities.
Like when cars came out, horse usage dwindled as a car is better at carting stuff and people, plus its less likely to go barmy as its seen a bin bag fluttering out of the corner of its eye or kick the s
t out of you, but, inexplicable, some people still like massive techy mammals as a hobby, and they arent all from 1893, my nieces all have a horse each.So I think the IC will be kept alive, it will thrive but nobody will have a four cylinder 1.0 supermini, it will be an EV. I cant see supercars going 100 percent electric, McLaren will probably have a "heritage" range or something.
Motorsport will still be mainly petrol based and a lot of folk in petrol cars will turn up to watch it, but Doris and Bert going to Sainsburys, who isnt remotely arsed will go in their Kia EV, some may have an EV for in the week and a weekend car, just like now, after all a 4 cyl diesel repmobile isnt a huge loss as a powertrain, compared to an electric motor.
People still buy turntables to play music, my middle son has a pair of them despite being born 22 years ago and never having had one in the house growing up.
its easy to look at it all as doom and gloom, but its a big world, a lot of people and though things will change, the old ways will remain, after all someone keeps Austin Allegros going so doesnt seem a massive leap to think that someone may keep Ferraris and Porsches going.
We are in the future of twenty years ago today, its not that bad despite all the moaning, can still buy a V8 car and drive it yourself, google and the government havent enslaved us just yet, and do you really think our government are up to enslaving anything ?
J4CKO said:
I think motorsport will continue but folk like engine noises, Formula E isnt bad racing but you want to hear that spine tingling, guttural howl and all the other noises, you want to be able to smell it. A chap I work with is a big F1 buff, but has cock all interest in road cars, he has had a succession of Vauxhall Corsas and is due to replace his 2010 model (bought new) with a 2019 one.
For me electric race cars are the equivalent of going to a rock festival with 100k other people and have the band try to play during a power cut topboss said:
No I wouldn’t but I also wouldn’t turn down a spin round a track in 99.99% of cars. Not sure what your trying to get at. It’s ok for some people not to like the same things.
Well, I guess my point was that earlier you said topboss said:
the ID.R does absolutely nothing for me what so ever. The car bores me
Then you follow it up with saying you would take it out for a spin.I'm not saying you have to like it, but as a car fan, I can't see why you wouldn't find this at least a bit interesting, even if it's not your cup of tea.
You say it bores you, yet I'd imagine we agree that driving it would be about as far from boring as can be.
Sorry but i just don't get it or see that its that impressive!!!
A company spends 100's of millions to put massive electric engines,probably not even their own, in a High Downforce LMP1 Car,probably a Porsche base anyway and self congratulate when it does a 6.05 lap,what would you expect?
So it beats Belloff by a bit over 1 lap which is all it can do (1 Lap), whereas Belloff could have continued lapping for the whole day close to that pace and that's supposed to be progress after 35 years!!!
They call it Motorsport which is a bit of a joke,what a race it would be to see 18 of those on a grid race for one lap,if it were a 24 hour race then each team would require about 205 cars each in reserve and a nuclear power station in the pitts
I'm still struggling to see the day when 900 vehicles are all plugged into an electric chargers at Clacket Lane Services for 45 minutes?
A company spends 100's of millions to put massive electric engines,probably not even their own, in a High Downforce LMP1 Car,probably a Porsche base anyway and self congratulate when it does a 6.05 lap,what would you expect?
So it beats Belloff by a bit over 1 lap which is all it can do (1 Lap), whereas Belloff could have continued lapping for the whole day close to that pace and that's supposed to be progress after 35 years!!!
They call it Motorsport which is a bit of a joke,what a race it would be to see 18 of those on a grid race for one lap,if it were a 24 hour race then each team would require about 205 cars each in reserve and a nuclear power station in the pitts
I'm still struggling to see the day when 900 vehicles are all plugged into an electric chargers at Clacket Lane Services for 45 minutes?
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