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I really don't understand the pricing. Pricing is usually a function of volume. Yes, left v right hand drive. But as a global car, they made thousands of these, so by no stretch of the imagination is it a "rare" car.
I spend quite a lot of time overseas, so being limited to rhd isn't an issue for me; it's actually a pain to drive rhd on the continent when I'm on my own, what with toll booths on the "wrong" side, etc.
I spend quite a lot of time overseas, so being limited to rhd isn't an issue for me; it's actually a pain to drive rhd on the continent when I'm on my own, what with toll booths on the "wrong" side, etc.
Mulled these over for a while before settling on a Boxster Spyder. Same money, slower, fewer seats but equally (arguably more?) special and rarer. I suspect a better drive too - sadly I didn’t get round to test driving a 1M before the right Spyder came along. Nice decision to have to make!
big_rob_sydney said:
I really don't understand the pricing. Pricing is usually a function of volume. Yes, left v right hand drive. But as a global car, they made thousands of these, so by no stretch of the imagination is it a "rare" car.
I spend quite a lot of time overseas, so being limited to rhd isn't an issue for me; it's actually a pain to drive rhd on the continent when I'm on my own, what with toll booths on the "wrong" side, etc.
Looking at asking prices in Europe they seem just as strong as over here - despite there being several times more carsI spend quite a lot of time overseas, so being limited to rhd isn't an issue for me; it's actually a pain to drive rhd on the continent when I'm on my own, what with toll booths on the "wrong" side, etc.
Obviously quite some demand
jmcc500 said:
Mulled these over for a while before settling on a Boxster Spyder. Same money, slower, fewer seats but equally (arguably more?) special and rarer. I suspect a better drive too - sadly I didn’t get round to test driving a 1M before the right Spyder came along. Nice decision to have to make!
Both very good cars to drive. Don’t get that people thought the M2 was the new 1M. It’s not a patch on the 1M.
SidewaysSi said:
As a pure driving machine, are they any better than an M2C?
Andrew, knowing your garage that's quite a quote...
Well they don't look as bloated or slab to my eyes and the steering is miles better than the m2's which barely transmits any information. So does that justify the price premium? That's another story...Andrew, knowing your garage that's quite a quote...
I've just been reading a head to head with the E92 M3 from EVO magazine back from July 2011. They much preferred the 1M overall and they preferred the power delivery more when compared to the E92 M3.
They said that all the fun in the M3 is at the top of the revs with little opportunity of using it on the road, whereas you are always in the powerband in the 1M so it is much more exploitable. That mirrors my thoughts too and on the road I'd much prefer the 1M/M2/M4 as well over the E92 M3.
In the same magazine issue the 1M sees off the Cayman R/370Z/TT RS as well. The 1M was a hit right from the start for sure.
They said that all the fun in the M3 is at the top of the revs with little opportunity of using it on the road, whereas you are always in the powerband in the 1M so it is much more exploitable. That mirrors my thoughts too and on the road I'd much prefer the 1M/M2/M4 as well over the E92 M3.
In the same magazine issue the 1M sees off the Cayman R/370Z/TT RS as well. The 1M was a hit right from the start for sure.
Pereldh said:
The 1M sadly has the ”new school” of Bmw design with overexaggurated aggression and incoherancies.
I think the earlier Z4MCoupe is more analogue in having the NA S54 engine and often not even navigation etc. It’s a lot rarer than 1M. And the looks..
There were 592 UK Z4M Coupes and just of 4587 worldwide ( if you add in the Roadster it’s 1206 UK 9976 worldwide total )I think the earlier Z4MCoupe is more analogue in having the NA S54 engine and often not even navigation etc. It’s a lot rarer than 1M. And the looks..
There were 450 1M Coupes in the UK and 6309 worldwide
Neither are massive numbers, but the Z4M is not a lot rather than the 1M
Edited by Earthdweller on Tuesday 11th June 11:02
Pereldh said:
The 1M sadly has the ”new school” of Bmw design with overexaggurated aggression and incoherancies.
I think the earlier Z4MCoupe is more analogue in having the NA S54 engine and often not even navigation etc. It’s a lot rarer than 1M. And the looks..
It nails the looks for sure. I think the earlier Z4MCoupe is more analogue in having the NA S54 engine and often not even navigation etc. It’s a lot rarer than 1M. And the looks..
It would be even better for me if it had the 1M's engine in it.
I didn't really take to the S54 engine(I didn't like the noise or power delivery) in my Z4M Roadster.
Always really liked these, but have wondered if they would have been even more of a cult classic with the M3’s V8 installed
Encountered one on the Autobahn north of Munich a few years back, and from what I remember it seemed to run up to just over a GPS 170mph before its limiter apparently called time. They have serious road presence too IMO
Encountered one on the Autobahn north of Munich a few years back, and from what I remember it seemed to run up to just over a GPS 170mph before its limiter apparently called time. They have serious road presence too IMO
Leins said:
Always really liked these, but have wondered if they would have been even more of a cult classic with the M3’s V8 installed
A bit like the Jay Leno video one perhaps Leins?https://youtu.be/gqSR5-kqOtk
s m said:
Hadn’t seen that before, but had heard of a few UK ones with the std 4L installed. The Dinan version in Leno’s vid is fairly impressive, but getting it closer to a factory 1M look would appeal even more for meAs previously mentioned by others, a standard 135i Coupe represents good value in the market right now. Can’t remember the last time I’ve spotted one out on the roads
C.MW said:
drpep said:
I distinctly remember mine. I'd just sold the 997.1 GT3 and wanted something a little more practical as a daily. I found the experience utterly underwhelming.
The handling character at the limit was very spiky. The traction control was always eager to interject. There was no shortcut to M-Dynamic Mode like in other M cars so it required some fiddling to get it to back off the TC. It was overall a pleasant car to own but didn't come anywhere near the character, handling, pace, or presence of the GT3. And nor should it. It's not an apples to apples comparison by any means. Just know that despite the vid, there are other waaaay more exciting cars for the money. A nicely depreciated E92 M3 for example.
BMW M cars since the E30 are known to be spiky at the limit and the 1M's short wheelbase would only exaggerate it. For me preditable behaviour at and beyond limit is what differenciates good performance cars from truly great ones so it's not a car I'd put my money on. I have to admit it sounds quite ferocious in the right way though, trubo'd or not...The handling character at the limit was very spiky. The traction control was always eager to interject. There was no shortcut to M-Dynamic Mode like in other M cars so it required some fiddling to get it to back off the TC. It was overall a pleasant car to own but didn't come anywhere near the character, handling, pace, or presence of the GT3. And nor should it. It's not an apples to apples comparison by any means. Just know that despite the vid, there are other waaaay more exciting cars for the money. A nicely depreciated E92 M3 for example.
The enjoyment of linear, increasing power all the way out to 8300rpm, then dropping into the power band of the next gear at ~6800rpm can't be overstated. Again, I think my discontent was more from what I value in a car.
Love the looks of the 1M; the skunkworks feel of the whole thing, but the engine's power delivery characteristics (power and torque tailing off at 6700 rpm) rob the thing of that excitement for me.
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