RE: Ultima reveals new 'RS' model
Discussion
PulsatingStar said:
Did Bob Light end up developing one into the Stealth B6, or is that a different car?
Yep, again basically Ultima based, and yes, by Bob Light... I'm unsure of the exact chronology/parentage, but I think it was another cheeky throw of the dice by Bob Light, after the original Shapecraft Ultima/Ultima Mk. II project had passed from Lee Noble to Ted Marlow.big_rob_sydney said:
WCZ said:
Esceptico said:
If I were doing lots of car track days this would be of interest. Personally I think less might be more as the "low powered" NA engine with 480 bhp is surely already as much (or more) power than you would ever need on the road and even on track I don't see the point of excessive power - at least to me the fun bits on track (and road) are the corners, not the straights, and so spending less time on the straights not that important (although I suppose it might mean you fit in more corners in your session).
They suggest £60k for the lowest powered but presumably that is a kit. How much more for fully built?
another £30k or so.They suggest £60k for the lowest powered but presumably that is a kit. How much more for fully built?
these are insanely good value for money cars though.
the only annoying thing is they don't benchmark them enough so I know they could be setting lap records for many circuits way beyond the Senna/Pista times.
have to wonder what the 1200hp version of this could do around the ring with a talented driver
As for benchmarking, they had some pretty interesting stuff on their page about Dunsfold, comparing the car to everything else that Top Gear had put around. For some reason TG refused to run the car around the circuit; if anyone knows why, I'd be curious to know.
They're not a huge company, so may not have the budget. I guess nothing stops private owners from Time Attack style laps, but then the problem might be that private cars possibly aren't in "stock" trim, and then everyone would complain about comparing stock vs stock.
Personally, I think the Dunsfold times are more than enough to understand what this can do; which is to say, it's bloody fast!
M030ef00 said:
if I remember correctly the reason that top gear wouldn't touch it was precisely because it would blitz every other car on the track. Michael Schumacher driving his own personal FXX Ferrari, a carbon fibre race prepared version of the Enzo with slicks beat the Ultima GTR 720 bhp time (on road tyres) on the track by about 0.7 sec. Ultima drove the car back, put it on slicks and bested Schumacher's time. TG is part of the machine that keeps fast cars desirable, so you could imagine the reaction of the car companies like Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini if a British car costing about 10-20% of theirs is faster. Access to their exotic new stuff might well have dried up.
They 'bested' the Top Gear record 12 years ago, with their own setup, driver and timing.What haven't they handed over an Ultima for independent testing since? Why haven't they attempted one of the many road car lap records on tracks such as Silverstone or Spa? Why haven't they featured in any of the hundreds of road or track tests in dozens of magazines?
I don't doubt the Ultima might still be a very fast car, but I suspect it would also appear underdeveloped and flawed in many areas compared to competitors.
Its credibility would be improved if it was positively reviewed being by an authoritative source.
Olivera said:
They 'bested' the Top Gear record 12 years ago, with their own setup, driver and timing.
What haven't they handed over an Ultima for independent testing since? Why haven't they attempted one of the many road car lap records on tracks such as Silverstone or Spa? Why haven't they featured in any of the hundreds of road or track tests in dozens of magazines?
I don't doubt the Ultima might still be a very fast car, but I suspect it would also appear underdeveloped and flawed in many areas compared to competitors.
Its credibility would be improved if it was positively reviewed being by an authoritative source.
Reviewed/driven independently around Donington Park here and they absolutely raved about the Ultima, the RS will no doubt be even better:What haven't they handed over an Ultima for independent testing since? Why haven't they attempted one of the many road car lap records on tracks such as Silverstone or Spa? Why haven't they featured in any of the hundreds of road or track tests in dozens of magazines?
I don't doubt the Ultima might still be a very fast car, but I suspect it would also appear underdeveloped and flawed in many areas compared to competitors.
Its credibility would be improved if it was positively reviewed being by an authoritative source.
https://www.ultimasports.co.uk/PressArticles/Circu...
X50Black said:
Reviewed/driven independently around Donington Park here and they absolutely raved about the Ultima, the RS will no doubt be even better:
https://www.ultimasports.co.uk/PressArticles/Circu...
That's from about 10yrs ago at least? https://www.ultimasports.co.uk/PressArticles/Circu...
It's taken a fair while also before someone rolled out the old "Top gear test track" blurb.
It really is time for Ultima to hand one over to independent review and timing, as a benchmark, rather than relying on people trotting out the old mythical hyperbole.
Yes it was fast back in the day, yes everyone else has moved on massively. Let's see how well it goes round a timed lap alongside some modern stuff, for all we know it may well be blindingly good. I'll be disappointed if nothing comes of this with the "new" model tbh, it's time for the factory to move on from the "fastest car round top gear test track with no witnesses and no follow up" story tbh.
its from 2002, so pretty old yeah.
reason i want a Ultima isnt because it is the fastest. its because its a kit car with a proper engine, a big honking V8, 6 on the floor and no aids.
an LS3 with some stage 2 cams pushing out 500 bhp is more than enough in a 930 kg car, its 550 bhp per ton.
reason i want a Ultima isnt because it is the fastest. its because its a kit car with a proper engine, a big honking V8, 6 on the floor and no aids.
an LS3 with some stage 2 cams pushing out 500 bhp is more than enough in a 930 kg car, its 550 bhp per ton.
Mintbird said:
its from 2002, so pretty old yeah.
reason i want a Ultima isnt because it is the fastest. its because its a kit car with a proper engine, a big honking V8, 6 on the floor and no aids.
an LS3 with some stage 2 cams pushing out 500 bhp is more than enough in a 930 kg car, its 550 bhp per ton.
Very true about power/weight as I said previously. My LS6 had a mild cam and updated roller rockers so it could rev a bit, very very quick in any gear (5 Speed G50).reason i want a Ultima isnt because it is the fastest. its because its a kit car with a proper engine, a big honking V8, 6 on the floor and no aids.
an LS3 with some stage 2 cams pushing out 500 bhp is more than enough in a 930 kg car, its 550 bhp per ton.
200Plus Club said:
Similar weight to the Ultima with a McLaren from 8yr agoI know Ultima say it will beat HyperCars but I reckon a 720s or a Senna would kill it! Well I bet a 720s would tbh
Dear Ultima Enthusiasts,
Just wanted to let you all know that due to an unprecedented volume of emails, new orders and enquiries upon release of our new Ultima RS model - we are currently looking at a reply time of around 7 days to emails and enquiries at this moment in time. We will do everything in our power to resume our normal prompt service over the coming weeks.
Regards to all,
Just wanted to let you all know that due to an unprecedented volume of emails, new orders and enquiries upon release of our new Ultima RS model - we are currently looking at a reply time of around 7 days to emails and enquiries at this moment in time. We will do everything in our power to resume our normal prompt service over the coming weeks.
Regards to all,
200Plus Club said:
Keep us all informed of any actual independent tests or reviews by all means. It's a beautiful looking car, we want to know how good it really is this time
:-)
+1:-)
I really hope this thing can match the Senna. I'm fed up hearing how a modern car has to be ludicrously ugly to perform well on track.
fblm said:
200Plus Club said:
Keep us all informed of any actual independent tests or reviews by all means. It's a beautiful looking car, we want to know how good it really is this time
:-)
+1:-)
I really hope this thing can match the Senna. I'm fed up hearing how a modern car has to be ludicrously ugly to perform well on track.
Absolutely, yes. I'd love to see a track biased journo that we know and trust such as Chris Harris, Mark Hales, Jason Plato, or Tiff Needell do a track test. An Evo feature from Richard Meaden? Autocar feature with Steve Sutcliffe? Inclusion in Autocar's annual track handling day? Evo if they do similar?fblm said:
I really hope this thing can match the Senna. I'm fed up hearing how a modern car has to be ludicrously ugly to perform well on track.
Ultima RS doesn't look particular modern to me, more like a throwback to Group C Sports Cars (1982-1994). But its a great looking (retro-classic) car 
bigdog3 said:
fblm said:
I really hope this thing can match the Senna. I'm fed up hearing how a modern car has to be ludicrously ugly to perform well on track.
Ultima RS doesn't look particular modern to me, more like a throwback to Group C Sports Cars (1982-1994). But its a great looking (retro-classic) car I doubt that it's as aerodynamically efficient as the new (and arguably ugly) designs, but I guess you have to ask why people buy them. To some people, having something that posts a better ring time without losing theoretical top speed or actual fuel efficiency is more important than having something beautiful. I guess those who are the other way round buy classics.
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