Car hoarding - problem or passion
Discussion
Veryoldbear said:
Car hoarding provides a valuable public service. You can only use one car at a time, so the emissions are reduced pro-rata.
This. All 4 of mine are >300g CO2/km, but I can only drive one at a time. That’s being green, that is. On a more serious note, the newest car is a teenager, keeping older cars going rather than scrapping for a new one does help the environment imo.That said, I still want a FFRR (5l s/c please) and an Avantime, and I want another SL, but to convert it to electric, though it’d be financially stupid, and many, many more. If I didn’t spend more than half my life abroad, I’d probably have >4. N+1 is the only realistic answer.
As far as keeping everything taxed, etc, 3 cars are on one multi insurance policy, the M6 is cheaper on it’s own. 3 in May, 1 in Jan. Tax due Nov, Dec, Feb, July. MOT’s April, May, July x2.
I just set reminders in the phone calendar for everything on yearly repeat for 1 month early.
I just mentally added it up, and I’m paying over £3k/year for tax and insurance alone, never mind fuel or any actual car costs. Cheap hobby!
Prinny said:
Veryoldbear said:
Car hoarding provides a valuable public service. You can only use one car at a time, so the emissions are reduced pro-rata.
This. All 4 of mine are >300g CO2/km, but I can only drive one at a time. That’s being green, that is. On a more serious note, the newest car is a teenager, keeping older cars going rather than scrapping for a new one does help the environment imo.That said, I still want a FFRR (5l s/c please) and an Avantime, and I want another SL, but to convert it to electric, though it’d be financially stupid, and many, many more. If I didn’t spend more than half my life abroad, I’d probably have >4. N+1 is the only realistic answer.
As far as keeping everything taxed, etc, 3 cars are on one multi insurance policy, the M6 is cheaper on it’s own. 3 in May, 1 in Jan. Tax due Nov, Dec, Feb, July. MOT’s April, May, July x2.
I just set reminders in the phone calendar for everything on yearly repeat for 1 month early.
I just mentally added it up, and I’m paying over £3k/year for tax and insurance alone, never mind fuel or any actual car costs. Cheap hobby!
The Swiss have a much fairer system that allows you to share number plates across a number of vehicles. You tax and insure based on the most expensive/highest risk and ten just clip your number plates to the car you want to use that day/week/month. Limited to 2 per plate for modern cars but unlimited for classics.
For a couple of mine it’s cheaper to use ‘layed up’ insurance when they are on SORN, then just add the miles if you use them.
Biggest cost is probably still servicing though.
Second Best said:
How many pairs of shoes does your missus have from 10 years ago that she never wears but "won't let go"?
The shoes or coats analogy is the ideal one.Sure, it could be possible to have only one pair of shoes, or one coat, that was a compromise of everything that was required from day to day, but that's not really practical or logical.
Non-car people struggle to extend that logic to automobiles, as they may just see them as a white good transport solutions. In the same way that people will have some walking boots, some comfortable daily shoes, and some trainers, then having a weekend sports car, daily family saloon, and maybe a defender too is perfectly logical.
My wife puts up with me buying cars, now that i pay a mulberry handbag tax on each purchase.
Generally don't sell any of my cars, but am thinking of selling some , as i am not using them all.
Currently have AM Vantage 4.7 roadster,Mini clubman hampton 2.0 lltre SD,Jensen interceptor s3,Pug 205 rallye,
Pug 106 rallye,clio series 1 V6,Smart crossblade,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre type4, RS200 belga replica,RR classic LSE,
Porsche 968,Porsche 928 S4,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre with 16v subaru engine,TVR taimar,Ford capri 2.8I Special and a
R5 gordini turbo with maxi bodykit. Just sold my first cars in years. A cayenne turbo that is now in Bulgaria.
The wife has a countryman 2.litre sd all 4 and complains about not having a garage to park in.
Generally don't sell any of my cars, but am thinking of selling some , as i am not using them all.
Currently have AM Vantage 4.7 roadster,Mini clubman hampton 2.0 lltre SD,Jensen interceptor s3,Pug 205 rallye,
Pug 106 rallye,clio series 1 V6,Smart crossblade,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre type4, RS200 belga replica,RR classic LSE,
Porsche 968,Porsche 928 S4,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre with 16v subaru engine,TVR taimar,Ford capri 2.8I Special and a
R5 gordini turbo with maxi bodykit. Just sold my first cars in years. A cayenne turbo that is now in Bulgaria.
The wife has a countryman 2.litre sd all 4 and complains about not having a garage to park in.
hogg968 said:
My wife puts up with me buying cars, now that i pay a mulberry handbag tax on each purchase.
Generally don't sell any of my cars, but am thinking of selling some , as i am not using them all.
Currently have AM Vantage 4.7 roadster,Mini clubman hampton 2.0 lltre SD,Jensen interceptor s3,Pug 205 rallye,
Pug 106 rallye,clio series 1 V6,Smart crossblade,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre type4, RS200 belga replica,RR classic LSE,
Porsche 968,Porsche 928 S4,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre with 16v subaru engine,TVR taimar,Ford capri 2.8I Special and a
R5 gordini turbo with maxi bodykit. Just sold my first cars in years. A cayenne turbo that is now in Bulgaria.
The wife has a countryman 2.litre sd all 4 and complains about not having a garage to park in.
Where do you keep that lot? And how do you keep on top of servicing and maintenance?!Generally don't sell any of my cars, but am thinking of selling some , as i am not using them all.
Currently have AM Vantage 4.7 roadster,Mini clubman hampton 2.0 lltre SD,Jensen interceptor s3,Pug 205 rallye,
Pug 106 rallye,clio series 1 V6,Smart crossblade,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre type4, RS200 belga replica,RR classic LSE,
Porsche 968,Porsche 928 S4,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre with 16v subaru engine,TVR taimar,Ford capri 2.8I Special and a
R5 gordini turbo with maxi bodykit. Just sold my first cars in years. A cayenne turbo that is now in Bulgaria.
The wife has a countryman 2.litre sd all 4 and complains about not having a garage to park in.
hogg968 said:
My wife puts up with me buying cars, now that i pay a mulberry handbag tax on each purchase.
Generally don't sell any of my cars, but am thinking of selling some , as i am not using them all.
Currently have AM Vantage 4.7 roadster,Mini clubman hampton 2.0 lltre SD,Jensen interceptor s3,Pug 205 rallye,
Pug 106 rallye,clio series 1 V6,Smart crossblade,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre type4, RS200 belga replica,RR classic LSE,
Porsche 968,Porsche 928 S4,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre with 16v subaru engine,TVR taimar,Ford capri 2.8I Special and a
R5 gordini turbo with maxi bodykit. Just sold my first cars in years. A cayenne turbo that is now in Bulgaria.
The wife has a countryman 2.litre sd all 4 and complains about not having a garage to park in.
That is quite a fleet - rather diverse too.Generally don't sell any of my cars, but am thinking of selling some , as i am not using them all.
Currently have AM Vantage 4.7 roadster,Mini clubman hampton 2.0 lltre SD,Jensen interceptor s3,Pug 205 rallye,
Pug 106 rallye,clio series 1 V6,Smart crossblade,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre type4, RS200 belga replica,RR classic LSE,
Porsche 968,Porsche 928 S4,VW T2 camper 2.0 litre with 16v subaru engine,TVR taimar,Ford capri 2.8I Special and a
R5 gordini turbo with maxi bodykit. Just sold my first cars in years. A cayenne turbo that is now in Bulgaria.
The wife has a countryman 2.litre sd all 4 and complains about not having a garage to park in.
Ensuring they remain completely in check must be quite an undertaking - do you keep them all serviced/MOT'd and so forth or is a case that the interest shifts from one to another as time goes on?
mat205125 said:
The shoes or coats analogy is the ideal one.
Sure, it could be possible to have only one pair of shoes, or one coat, that was a compromise of everything that was required from day to day, but that's not really practical or logical.
Non-car people struggle to extend that logic to automobiles, as they may just see them as a white good transport solutions. In the same way that people will have some walking boots, some comfortable daily shoes, and some trainers, then having a weekend sports car, daily family saloon, and maybe a defender too is perfectly logical.
Best way to silence a non car woman. I've had the "but you can't drive them all at once" excuse thrown at me to which I replied you can't wear more than one pair of shoes (change to handbag if better) but... Shockingly she saw the reasoning and backed down.Sure, it could be possible to have only one pair of shoes, or one coat, that was a compromise of everything that was required from day to day, but that's not really practical or logical.
Non-car people struggle to extend that logic to automobiles, as they may just see them as a white good transport solutions. In the same way that people will have some walking boots, some comfortable daily shoes, and some trainers, then having a weekend sports car, daily family saloon, and maybe a defender too is perfectly logical.
I've currently got 10. Some are appreciating assets, some are waiting love but I justify it by saying that none of them owe me anything. If I had the space and funds I'd have 100 more. I guess it's good as I'll never have any money for drink, drugs or hookers while I have cars as a hobby. lol
Prinny said:
Veryoldbear said:
Car hoarding provides a valuable public service. You can only use one car at a time, so the emissions are reduced pro-rata.
This. All 4 of mine are >300g CO2/km, but I can only drive one at a time. That’s being green, that is. I sincerely believe that maintaining and continuing to use vehicles for as long as if practically possible is a very environmentally friendly practice. Many of my previous cars have run long past being economically viable, by maintain and swapping in significant parts from cars from breakers .... proper trigger's brooms!!
For the past few years I've fluctuated between 3 and 7 vehicles. I like to have something comfy and reliable for long journeys, a cheap shed for general abuse, and something nice hidden away.
Current nice vehicle = Transporter van
Shed = 19 year old Yaris
Nice car = 205 gti awaiting restoration
other = Passat I'm flogging on ebay as damaged
other other = remains of 205 gti might restore one day
Current nice vehicle = Transporter van
Shed = 19 year old Yaris
Nice car = 205 gti awaiting restoration
other = Passat I'm flogging on ebay as damaged
other other = remains of 205 gti might restore one day
Triumph Man said:
It's only an issue when your garden is full of random rotting hulks that haven't moved in 10 years. If they mostly work and drive though, what's the problem? It's not hoarding, it's collecting, and being a collector has so much more gravitas
Whoever said N+1 is right though, I have two cars, and for some reason desperately want a third.
If only... I only have one car (320d MSport) and one van (Transit Connect 210) for work, so can't really join the conversation, but when it comes to clothes, I hoard quite a bit. I used to sell Highland wear via ebay (kilts, sporrans, jackets, waistcoats) as the Mrs said my collection got too much at over 60 kilts plus accessories... all started researching my family tartan, to going on to collect rare tartan colours.Whoever said N+1 is right though, I have two cars, and for some reason desperately want a third.
Some of them cost over a grand a pop (kilt suits), and I'll never let some of them go.
With cars, I can't see the issue if you have the place to keep them all... it would cost me too much for parking permits
My wife, would moan about me buying cars. I now pay a handbag tax, on every new purchase. Have a few cars, some projects that i hope to start/finish. Don't have to pay storage and can work on the cars, when time permits. currently have.
Porsche 968
Aston martin vantage roadster
Jensen interceptor s3
Porsche 928 s4
Pug 106 rallye
Pug 205 rallye
Renault 5 gordini turbo maxi kit
RS 200 grp B belga replica
Range rover classic LSE
Smart crossblade
Mini cooper hampton
Vw T2 camper with porsche engine
Vw T2 camper with subaru engine
Ford capri 2.8i special
Renault clio V6
TVR taimar
Cayenne turbo
Mini countryman 4x4
Always looking to buy more cars.
Porsche 968
Aston martin vantage roadster
Jensen interceptor s3
Porsche 928 s4
Pug 106 rallye
Pug 205 rallye
Renault 5 gordini turbo maxi kit
RS 200 grp B belga replica
Range rover classic LSE
Smart crossblade
Mini cooper hampton
Vw T2 camper with porsche engine
Vw T2 camper with subaru engine
Ford capri 2.8i special
Renault clio V6
TVR taimar
Cayenne turbo
Mini countryman 4x4
Always looking to buy more cars.
I think it's fairly conclusive that us lot are not going to be a good influence haha.
My view is that unless you are causing a nuisance by having multiple cars and/or you're financially crippling yourself for the sake of cars, then it's doing no harm at all.
I have four cars, an RS Megane 225 and Twingo 133 being two of them. Have owned both from new and are now 13 and 9 years old respectively. They're not worth much but they're extremely good condition and low mileage. I have no reason to sell them and they cost me very little to insure, plus they are stored off the road and in no ones way.
My 'daily' car is an old E320 diesel Merc and my other is a CLS63. I recently put the CLS into a storage facility so can access it as needed but ultimately it gives it a secure, dry and heated space which is out of the way.
I have had people say, 'you can only drive one car at a time'. Based on that, no one would have more than one pair or shoes, handbag, trousers, watch, glasses. As a society we don't always own things based on pure necessity, cars are just a bit bigger! haha
My view is that unless you are causing a nuisance by having multiple cars and/or you're financially crippling yourself for the sake of cars, then it's doing no harm at all.
I have four cars, an RS Megane 225 and Twingo 133 being two of them. Have owned both from new and are now 13 and 9 years old respectively. They're not worth much but they're extremely good condition and low mileage. I have no reason to sell them and they cost me very little to insure, plus they are stored off the road and in no ones way.
My 'daily' car is an old E320 diesel Merc and my other is a CLS63. I recently put the CLS into a storage facility so can access it as needed but ultimately it gives it a secure, dry and heated space which is out of the way.
I have had people say, 'you can only drive one car at a time'. Based on that, no one would have more than one pair or shoes, handbag, trousers, watch, glasses. As a society we don't always own things based on pure necessity, cars are just a bit bigger! haha
I get alot of stick for having 3 Sheds and contemplate selling one or two all of the time (see my recent thread) but I still cannot let them go even though they aren't a patch on alot of you other guys collections quality wise.
Jaguar x-type estate - commute and dog
Audi TT 225 - going out with the missus
Mazda MX-5 NB - Weekend thrash
Whilst I can still afford the tax and insurance for these three they will be staying... However there is a 1.7 Puma for sale up the road that keeps winking at me!
Jaguar x-type estate - commute and dog
Audi TT 225 - going out with the missus
Mazda MX-5 NB - Weekend thrash
Whilst I can still afford the tax and insurance for these three they will be staying... However there is a 1.7 Puma for sale up the road that keeps winking at me!
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