RE: 2020 Land Rover Defender leaked (sort of)
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
Shakermaker said:
Thesprucegoose said:
Suprised they haven't offered a bar bones, steel wheels, no fancy electric stuff, vinyl floors and black bumpers, wheel arches..
Sell all the expensive ones firstThen, much like Porsche, do what you've described. but charge an extra £20k for "added lightness"
Would probably work as well!!!
But, it is worth bearing in mind that the Discovery Commercial costs about £5k more than the equivalent non-commercial Discovery model. It is just a very basic stripped out Discovery with no rear seats or windows, and pretty much just all bare metal behind the front seats.
The reason given is that it is produced in far less quantities than the regular Disco and therefore are more expensive to produce. Economies of scale and all that.
So a bare-bones ‘Farmer spec’ Defender is coming but it remains to be seen if will be any cheaper, or indeed more expensive.
The LR defender Ben Nevis
Jacked up suspension on coils and springs, black bumpers and arches, 3 paint options (black,green,desert), stripped out interior, rubber and vinyl (S&M spec), 5 seats, manual, bonnet mounted wheel, minimal electrics, less glass on sides. Chunky tyres and steels. Snorkal. 10k less than current lowest.
Job done
Jacked up suspension on coils and springs, black bumpers and arches, 3 paint options (black,green,desert), stripped out interior, rubber and vinyl (S&M spec), 5 seats, manual, bonnet mounted wheel, minimal electrics, less glass on sides. Chunky tyres and steels. Snorkal. 10k less than current lowest.
Job done
Lord Marylebone said:
It is just a very basic stripped out Discovery with no rear seats or windows, and pretty much just all bare metal behind the front seats
It’s just like a normal one in the back, but with internal plastic panels over the glass, a flat floor and a bulkhead.The benefit is no VAT.
NomduJour said:
Lord Marylebone said:
It is just a very basic stripped out Discovery with no rear seats or windows, and pretty much just all bare metal behind the front seats
It’s just like a normal one in the back, but with internal plastic panels over the glass, a flat floor and a bulkhead.The benefit is no VAT.
Had 2 Disco 4 commercials from new in the past and was told this was how they were made.
jeremy996 said:
Or perhaps "UNHCR", "UNICEF" or "Peacekeeper".
In white, steel wheels and knobbly tyres, tow pack, rubber mats and vinyl seats. My attempt on the configurator came to £51k. I'd guess the mats and seats would get it down to all of £49K!
Holy balls I think you've got it, a name with some redundancy in it but which sounds awesome. In white, steel wheels and knobbly tyres, tow pack, rubber mats and vinyl seats. My attempt on the configurator came to £51k. I'd guess the mats and seats would get it down to all of £49K!
The Defender Peacekeeper.
I LOVE IT. Here's a post-dated cheque for £200,000 to buy this exclusive, stripped-out, bare bones, vinyl and rubber mat version with no stereo or sound deadening etc.
- edit
Edited by Shakermaker on Wednesday 11th September 16:19
Thesprucegoose said:
Neither have the horrid body side curve of the production item. They look like MINI front doors lengthened - fat and weak 
In fact the whole thing is essentially from the MINI playbook - will it come with a Union flag roof?
The overall effect reminds of a Panther DeVille!
In fact, to my eyes the second posted above is a more progressive design than what we’ve got/
RicksAlfas said:
DonkeyApple said:
I would genuinely love for JLR to make the epic industry move of divorcing engine specification from trim specification. If there is one brand on the planet who have customers who can happily afford to hurl pound notes down the exhaust pipe yet want a basic interior trim because their desire is not linked to fiscal needs then it’s JLR. I can’t abide the world that says that because you want the base trim level you must have the s
tty little 4 pot.
Looks like the base model has a choice of three engines, but the biggest engine (P400) is only in the very expensive top Model X.tty little 4 pot. https://buildyour.landrover.co.uk/lr2/r/model/_/en...
Completely off topic, Alfa and BMW used to allow you to choose the engine and then the trim level. It was possible to have a 1.6 with all the trimmings, or a steel wheeled 2.5. It doesn't seem to be popular these days.
Each trim and powertrain combination now has to be separately homologated, which is both time consuming and expensive. The result of this is that OEMs have simply stopped offering unpopular trim/powertrain combinations as it's no longer profitable to do so.
Some OEMs have taken this to extreme and have even taken away the ability to spec most of the optional equipment outside of the trim level (e.g. SEAT).
Yes, it is not a bad looking car but not a genuine Defender replacement.
I cannot see Utility companies and the Military queuing up to buy them.
It is very much the DC100 evolved.
It should have been launched back then and called the Defender Sport with a more realistic starting price, of say £20 Grand ?
In my humble opinion it looks like the illegitimate child of a Skoda Yeti and a Jeep !
But I think we all know it will sell to the Chelsea tractor brigade and families who want or need a real off roader.
One question I have to ask; LandRover tell us it will be better Off Road than the previous Defender. Which magazine will be brave enough to make a real comparison with any of it's competitors ?
I cannot see Utility companies and the Military queuing up to buy them.
It is very much the DC100 evolved.
It should have been launched back then and called the Defender Sport with a more realistic starting price, of say £20 Grand ?
In my humble opinion it looks like the illegitimate child of a Skoda Yeti and a Jeep !
But I think we all know it will sell to the Chelsea tractor brigade and families who want or need a real off roader.
One question I have to ask; LandRover tell us it will be better Off Road than the previous Defender. Which magazine will be brave enough to make a real comparison with any of it's competitors ?
Why does everyone think the military still use Landrovers, they stopped using them years ago because: not fit for purpose, they don't have the required spec for military use, not least because they can't be armored enough for IED's.
Those days are gone, and rightly too, a lot of people died in Iraq etc because they were using IRA era 'snatch' Land Rovers nicknamed 'the mobile coffin'. Explosives and circumstances have moved on.
Now the military use dedicated vehicles like this instead.
Those days are gone, and rightly too, a lot of people died in Iraq etc because they were using IRA era 'snatch' Land Rovers nicknamed 'the mobile coffin'. Explosives and circumstances have moved on.
Now the military use dedicated vehicles like this instead.
Ever been to a millitary base?
They are still chock full of Defenders as you simply cant use a hulking, expensive IED proof monster for everything.
Defenders are still used for the majority of run of the mill stuff.
Yes they are unsuitable for frontline use, but they still have a large role to play.
They are still chock full of Defenders as you simply cant use a hulking, expensive IED proof monster for everything.
Defenders are still used for the majority of run of the mill stuff.
Yes they are unsuitable for frontline use, but they still have a large role to play.
skyrover said:
DonkeyApple said:
So the MOD must have been buying thousands of them every year then?
They would if Land Rover still built the things, yes.Will probably end up buying American pickup trucks in future.
The largest stock pile of LR parts is owned by the private company that recycles Defenders for the MOD. Mostly now it’s the 110s they keep and the 90s have been being sold off.
skyrover said:
They would if Land Rover still built the things, yes.
Will probably end up buying American pickup trucks in future.
Military requirements are increasingly more specialised, the demand for fleets of general service vehicles like Defenders isn’t what it was - just like the US army doesn’t drive around in Jeeps (or pickups) any more. For recent theatres like Iraq and Afghanistan, the Snatch Defenders were a total disaster - hence why the replacement wasn’t a pickup or a G Wagen, but fully-armoured, specifically-designed things like the Ocelot. Modified Hi-Luxes and Rangers and Amaroks are being ordered in comparatively tiny numbers - the US Army orders via Battelle were only for a few hundred trucks - definitely not the numbers that support a product line. Even the Australian army G-Wagen order was only for a couple of thousand over several years (and the current G Class is not designed or sold as a military product) - it’s not a market a major manufacturer is going to engineer a product line for.Will probably end up buying American pickup trucks in future.
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