RE: VW ID.R breaks outright Goodwood record
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Zero emissions, don't you know! Cyder said:
The new Leaf battery will comfortably do 200 miles on a charge, stop somewhere for a coffee and do the fast charge in 30 mins and it’ll give you about another 80% range 160 miles or so.
Penzance to Dover is 354 miles so it would be manageable.
The major issue with EV in my opinion is the charging infrastructure and the issue of running cables all over the shop for folks that live in terraced streets or with communal parking.
You're right on the last part, I can onoly see it as impossible!! So people will have to keep their cars out of town. Penzance to Dover is 354 miles so it would be manageable.
The major issue with EV in my opinion is the charging infrastructure and the issue of running cables all over the shop for folks that live in terraced streets or with communal parking.
On the first part, I know what you mean, but there's plenty of times i'd not want to HAVE to stop for 30mins (minimum assuming you can go straight to a charger) on a 300 odd mile journey. It's 4.5 to 5 hours already, the cost to businesses and individuals to make that journey effectively 30 mins slower, could be significant. Also, what price progress!? All the effort, cost of a new EV, subsidy from Govt etc, all to get there 30 a minimum 30 mins later? And yet we are spending 50bn doing HS2 to get from Machester to London 15 mins faster??? Seems a bit backward.
Edmundo2 said:
Or a current British Hillclimb front runner - using a petrol engine and costing less than £100k...
That'll be those guys that don't get invited because they aren't "the right sort"130R said:
tr3a said:
EV's are just superior cars.
At least until a dinosaur powered LMP1 or F1 car bothers to turn up and wipes the floor with itI don't believe Trevor Willis or Scott Moran has even been invited
Well done VW, always good to see records but certainly wasn’t expecting it on Friday, even for a specialist car turning up with the record in mind.
It’ll probably be under 40 seconds by Sunday night’s shootout, now please Lord March can we have the banned F1 and LM prototype cars back in the competition?
It’ll probably be under 40 seconds by Sunday night’s shootout, now please Lord March can we have the banned F1 and LM prototype cars back in the competition?
RemyMartin81D said:
Breaking a 20 year old record by 0.5 of a second really don't impress me tbh, especially as it's been resurfaced since.
I need to see where it stands against the modern equivalent of Heidfield's car.
It would also be interesting to see how fast it is when they put some batteries back in so it can go a bit further. How far is an F1 race? 180 miles or so? So fill the tank up in an F1 car and race it against the VW when it has the range to goes as far!I need to see where it stands against the modern equivalent of Heidfield's car.
the ID.R is just an exercise in marketing. So it has a nurburgring record and now a goodwood record.
Now what ? a road car version ? a race car that will compete ?
Or will VW just use it to tell everyone how wonderful an electric golf is. We have to remember that this is a company depserately trying to recover its image after dieselgate - even though it wasn't the fault of technology.
Ultimately if you need to get A to B a BEV vehicle is fine.
To my mind, if you want any sort of excitement, involvement or, well, fun I don't see how a BEV is going to produce that.
As far as motorsport goes once the range thing is sorted out no doubt they'll be fast, but exicting/interesting to watch ? I'm not too optimistic of that, the ID.R is absolutely planted up the hill, its fast but undramatic, it never looks close to being on the limit.
We've all seen a car being driven on (and at time, over) the limit on a track and its far mroe interesting - regardless of speed. Case in point, watch the Bugatti 35B go up the hill this weekend, far slower but you just know the guy is working at it (and damm good is he is too!).
All the "oohs and aahs" yesterday were for Oliver Solberg's run, not the VW.
If they want electric racing to be exicting it needs to look difficult/dramatic.
To be fair its not only electric racing either, I think part of the problem with modern F1 is all too often it looks too easy.
Now what ? a road car version ? a race car that will compete ?
Or will VW just use it to tell everyone how wonderful an electric golf is. We have to remember that this is a company depserately trying to recover its image after dieselgate - even though it wasn't the fault of technology.
Ultimately if you need to get A to B a BEV vehicle is fine.
To my mind, if you want any sort of excitement, involvement or, well, fun I don't see how a BEV is going to produce that.
As far as motorsport goes once the range thing is sorted out no doubt they'll be fast, but exicting/interesting to watch ? I'm not too optimistic of that, the ID.R is absolutely planted up the hill, its fast but undramatic, it never looks close to being on the limit.
We've all seen a car being driven on (and at time, over) the limit on a track and its far mroe interesting - regardless of speed. Case in point, watch the Bugatti 35B go up the hill this weekend, far slower but you just know the guy is working at it (and damm good is he is too!).
All the "oohs and aahs" yesterday were for Oliver Solberg's run, not the VW.
If they want electric racing to be exicting it needs to look difficult/dramatic.
To be fair its not only electric racing either, I think part of the problem with modern F1 is all too often it looks too easy.
I'm coming to the conclusion that "EV hating" is finally a new outlet for the old bobble hatter Subaru fanboys to get their teeth into! For years they have been left out in the cold, with nothing to incessantly and irrationally argue pointlessly about, and now, these "hateful EVs" have come along to give them hope and meaning! I mean, back then, there was no car in the world as good as the Subaru they drove (or their Evo if they were the Mit-sue-wishy cousins of our scooby delinquents), you couldn't ever change their mind, they had made it up. No facts, evidence or any amount of arguing would ever change their mind, and it's now the same on all the EV threads, which go like this:
1) A EV does something (usually beating some old ICE vehicle)
2) People say "yeah great, well fast, but it sounds too boring"
3) A few people say "this is clearly the future"
4) Someone pops up to say that EVs will "never catch on" because they personally drive 4000 miles a day before breakfast
5) Someone suggests that EVs are more pollution than ICE "because batteries", extra points if they include the pic of the "Lithium mine" that is actually an open cast iron ore mine in south america
6) Someone mentions Hydrogen
7) Someone says "but i have a 15 year old car that cost £3.75 and does 400 miles on a tank, therefore all EVs are pointless
8) Someone does about 3 seconds of googling, links to some item or report that they think re-enforces their point, but actually, they don't even read or understand the info they have posted that actually shows exactly the opposite of what they though it did.
9) Someone suggests the "National grid can't keep up"
10) Someone posts a picture of an EV on fire to make the point they catch alight
11) The entire thread descends into a pointless argument with zero factual content based entirely on the predudices and personal politics of the people posting
So that, is my "11 point scale" of EV thread progression!
Ah bring back the old "my scooby is faster than your xyz" threads eh...... #bobblehatting
1) A EV does something (usually beating some old ICE vehicle)
2) People say "yeah great, well fast, but it sounds too boring"
3) A few people say "this is clearly the future"
4) Someone pops up to say that EVs will "never catch on" because they personally drive 4000 miles a day before breakfast
5) Someone suggests that EVs are more pollution than ICE "because batteries", extra points if they include the pic of the "Lithium mine" that is actually an open cast iron ore mine in south america
6) Someone mentions Hydrogen
7) Someone says "but i have a 15 year old car that cost £3.75 and does 400 miles on a tank, therefore all EVs are pointless
8) Someone does about 3 seconds of googling, links to some item or report that they think re-enforces their point, but actually, they don't even read or understand the info they have posted that actually shows exactly the opposite of what they though it did.
9) Someone suggests the "National grid can't keep up"
10) Someone posts a picture of an EV on fire to make the point they catch alight
11) The entire thread descends into a pointless argument with zero factual content based entirely on the predudices and personal politics of the people posting
So that, is my "11 point scale" of EV thread progression!
Ah bring back the old "my scooby is faster than your xyz" threads eh...... #bobblehatting
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