RE: Mini Electric is here!
Discussion
Jimbo89 said:
I swear anything to do with electric cars has the luddites fuming.
So true, every thread to do with EVs and the same old crap is spouted.The MINI Electric looks good, has a range perfectly fine for a lot of the target audience (second car with the other bigger car used for long journeys), has the right badge and appearance that won't scare people off, and is pretty well priced.
I think they'll sell plenty, but whether or not they can/want to produce enough for the demand remains to be seen.
I'm quite intrigued by this and it offers similar performance/power/torque to my Cooper S without the fuel costs(which aren't that bad in fairness 40mpg). The range isn't great and I would definitely get range anxiety(even actually make it) going to Skegness and back.
I think that it will sell/do well though, the depreciation with new Minis is something to watch out for buying new though, and I wouldn't go for a brand new Mini again(especially when you throw some options at them). Used is definitely the best way to get into a Mini for me because they are worth peanuts very quickly.
I think that it will sell/do well though, the depreciation with new Minis is something to watch out for buying new though, and I wouldn't go for a brand new Mini again(especially when you throw some options at them). Used is definitely the best way to get into a Mini for me because they are worth peanuts very quickly.
T-195 said:
OK, so why do you think loads of people will spend 7 Grand more than a normal Cooper. With better residuals and none of the inconveniences of BEV ownership.
Better residuals... have you seen the price of used EVs in the past year or two? I bet most normal people will prefer how it drives compared to the ICE versions too. How much more is it really compared to an equal specced ICE version? Don't forget to add in the cheaper fuel and servicing costs too.Yes for some charging is an inconvenience, but the majority will just be plugging in on their drive when needed. One of the nice things about EVs is having a full tank every morning if you need, as well as the preconditioned warm/cool cabin.
cerb4.5lee said:
The range isn't great and I would definitely get range anxiety(even actually make it) going to Skegness and back.
The range could be better but the smaller battery pack keeps weight down. I imagine they chose this size to suit to target audience.Charging at Skeg is fine by the way, theres a couple of rapid 50kW chargers to pick from at hotels so you can grab a drink while you top up in 30mins, or you can do what I've done the past two visits and let the car charge for a few hours while you're spending your 2ps in the slots, there are chargers in the Embassy or Lawn car parks. Its even free to park while charging!
T-195 said:
charltjr said:
This is a new car, for people who want a new car, not a used car. Comparisons with used cars are futile, because people who are happy to have a used car will almost always get better value out of having a used car. That's not the point.
The point is that this is the first attainable big brand car that a lot of people will be familiar with and would want to own, so it will be really interesting to see how it does. It's a Mini, but it's electric. That will be very, very comforting for a lot of people as it's instantly familiar.
Petrolheads aren't the target, people like my wife with her petrol Cooper are. She doesn't really know anything about cars, but she knows what she likes and the Mini ticks all the boxes for her. She likes the idea of EVs generally but finds everything affordable which is currently on the market unappealing for one reason or another. The Zoe has a crap interior, the i3 "looks weird", etc, etc. Home charging an EV would be easy for us. She doesn't need a car which can do hundreds of miles more than once in a blue moon, and she can drive my car if she ever does need to do a long journey.
I think it'll sell by the bucket-load.
OK, so why do you think loads of people will spend 7 Grand more than a normal Cooper. With better residuals and none of the inconveniences of BEV ownership.The point is that this is the first attainable big brand car that a lot of people will be familiar with and would want to own, so it will be really interesting to see how it does. It's a Mini, but it's electric. That will be very, very comforting for a lot of people as it's instantly familiar.
Petrolheads aren't the target, people like my wife with her petrol Cooper are. She doesn't really know anything about cars, but she knows what she likes and the Mini ticks all the boxes for her. She likes the idea of EVs generally but finds everything affordable which is currently on the market unappealing for one reason or another. The Zoe has a crap interior, the i3 "looks weird", etc, etc. Home charging an EV would be easy for us. She doesn't need a car which can do hundreds of miles more than once in a blue moon, and she can drive my car if she ever does need to do a long journey.
I think it'll sell by the bucket-load.
Edited by charltjr on Wednesday 10th July 11:33
Ryvita said:
Looks to be equivalent to £382.33 per month if you flatten it out. As a rough equivalent, that's equivalent to a 48 month bank loan on about £17,000. So rent an electric Mini for four years, or buy outright and own a 17K car after 4 years? (I know, I know, used versus new and electric versus petrol mis-comparison)
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
A mis-comparison indeed, but when you could pick up a 2015/2016 Golf R for the £17K you calculated, or a 120 odd mile range Mini, it's a no contest in my opinion. https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
T-195 said:
OK, so why do you think loads of people will spend 7 Grand more than a normal Cooper. With better residuals and none of the inconveniences of BEV ownership.
Probably because people are worried about diesel and petrol is less efficient. EV will pay back relatively quickly.Home charging is very convenient.
BIK is dropping to 0% compared to at least 20% for ICE cars.
Business purchase tax benefits.
Many will prefer the serenity of an EV to thrashing a 1.5 engine to achieve the same levels of performance.
Congestion charges are not an issue and free/low cost parking for some.
Lower maintenance costs.
There are many reasons that you might not agree with but many will. Just because you have a negative view and can't look at all sides, it doesn't make an EV like this any less appealing.
I'm not a fan of mini's but this is an attractive package for £24k.
jonnyfive said:
Until they put solar on the roof and bonnet...im not going for elec. It makes NO SENSE TO BUILD ELEC CARS without Solar Panels...
It does. Concentrating the means of production to maximise efficiency rather than carry the weight of them around everywhere all of the time is entirely sensible. I think the range is light, the next gens or even mid-life battery updates to this and the Honda one will leap forward. When you get to 200+ miles range and with another five years investment in chargers (particularly by the big forecourt operators who will start to switch pumps to rapid chargers to keep their cafes and shops tills ringing) I think you hit a massive tipping point for EVs.
Which is why I'm buying an M3 Competition to make the most of our time with petrol!
Daaaveee said:
cerb4.5lee said:
The range isn't great and I would definitely get range anxiety(even actually make it) going to Skegness and back.
The range could be better but the smaller battery pack keeps weight down. I imagine they chose this size to suit to target audience.Charging at Skeg is fine by the way, theres a couple of rapid 50kW chargers to pick from at hotels so you can grab a drink while you top up in 30mins, or you can do what I've done the past two visits and let the car charge for a few hours while you're spending your 2ps in the slots, there are chargers in the Embassy or Lawn car parks. Its even free to park while charging!
I do enjoy the 2ps slots(well I did as a kid) and my daughters enjoy them now! 
BloodNinja said:
Ryvita said:
Looks to be equivalent to £382.33 per month if you flatten it out. As a rough equivalent, that's equivalent to a 48 month bank loan on about £17,000. So rent an electric Mini for four years, or buy outright and own a 17K car after 4 years? (I know, I know, used versus new and electric versus petrol mis-comparison)
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
A mis-comparison indeed, but when you could pick up a 2015/2016 Golf R for the £17K you calculated, or a 120 odd mile range Mini, it's a no contest in my opinion. https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Used vs new, Golf R, prejudice against BEV.
I think it's a great product. Interesting that a battery/electric motor is heavier than an engine, gearbox and fuel tank.
Wonder what the service intervals will be? Will an EV service be cheaper than an ICE one?
When will the dealers have demo cars?
Will range be one of the (or the) main KPIs in cars of the future?
Wonder what the service intervals will be? Will an EV service be cheaper than an ICE one?
When will the dealers have demo cars?
Will range be one of the (or the) main KPIs in cars of the future?
Krikkit said:
BloodNinja said:
Ryvita said:
Looks to be equivalent to £382.33 per month if you flatten it out. As a rough equivalent, that's equivalent to a 48 month bank loan on about £17,000. So rent an electric Mini for four years, or buy outright and own a 17K car after 4 years? (I know, I know, used versus new and electric versus petrol mis-comparison)
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
A mis-comparison indeed, but when you could pick up a 2015/2016 Golf R for the £17K you calculated, or a 120 odd mile range Mini, it's a no contest in my opinion. https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Used vs new, Golf R, prejudice against BEV.
My wife does 15 miles a day and never does journeys longer than about 30 miles (I do those), she's in the market for a new car next year and I'm sure this would tick all the boxes for her.
There are plenty of us outside of cities that have driveways and relatively short commutes, this is ideal.
There are plenty of us outside of cities that have driveways and relatively short commutes, this is ideal.
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