RE: Range Rover Sport HST | Driven

[forester2945]

Jon_S_Rally said:

Couldn't a diesel do 400bhp though? And probably offer similar/better economy, only without the complexity of a load of hybrid bits. If electric/hybrid makes things genuinely better for the environment, that's fine, but I am not convinced that mild hybrid does that. It just feels like a boxing ticking exercise to get around legislation.

With cities looking to ban diesels and governments legislating against them, its inevitable that the automotive industry has to look at other options. JLR had banked big on diesel but now has to explore other options, its not so much a case of 'can't a diesel do similar', more a case of 'diesels are being taken away as an option what can they be replicated with'.

Between this the PHEV Range Rover versions, the I-PACE and the upcoming Jag XJ EV JLR are at least making progress to move away from 90% diesel reliance.

[andrewparker]

300bhp/ton said:

andrewparker said:

I'm not fussy, I just think it looks dated, and the current model has been around for six years. It's cool if you like it though, I've no problem with that

Actually it's not really my sort of thing tbh.

Just curious, but what exactly is 'dated' about it?

To be fair, it's probably just familiarity and popularity. It just feels like the current car has been around a long time, which isn't helped by there being lots around. The Velar looks far more modern in comparison.

[Futse]

bluemason said:

Not wrap.And it is only 190k

That's the whole point of this of course. Offer bespoke colors (whether you like them or not), some body kit etc. People pay lots of money to the Khans and Mansorys of this world (I would'nt, but each to their own), so JLR wants a piece of that pie. Seems logic to me.

And btw, why post a FFRR in a RRS thread, and moan about pricing?

[Jon_S_Rally]

forester2945 said:

With cities looking to ban diesels and governments legislating against them, its inevitable that the automotive industry has to look at other options. JLR had banked big on diesel but now has to explore other options, its not so much a case of 'can't a diesel do similar', more a case of 'diesels are being taken away as an option what can they be replicated with'.

Between this the PHEV Range Rover versions, the I-PACE and the upcoming Jag XJ EV JLR are at least making progress to move away from 90% diesel reliance.

Oh you're 100% right. I see why they're doing it but, when it comes to what's actually environmentally advantageous and what's just playing to the political situation are two different things. I fear that the same backlash we're seeing against diesels will, eventually, be brought to bear against some EVs or Hybrids. I just can't help but think that mild hybrids such as this are almost the worst of all worlds. Much more complex than a traditional ICE car, but without most of the benefits of a proper hybrid/EV/

Time will tell I guess.

[MX6]

Jon_S_Rally said:

forester2945 said:

With cities looking to ban diesels and governments legislating against them, its inevitable that the automotive industry has to look at other options. JLR had banked big on diesel but now has to explore other options, its not so much a case of 'can't a diesel do similar', more a case of 'diesels are being taken away as an option what can they be replicated with'.

Between this the PHEV Range Rover versions, the I-PACE and the upcoming Jag XJ EV JLR are at least making progress to move away from 90% diesel reliance.

Oh you're 100% right. I see why they're doing it but, when it comes to what's actually environmentally advantageous and what's just playing to the political situation are two different things. I fear that the same backlash we're seeing against diesels will, eventually, be brought to bear against some EVs or Hybrids. I just can't help but think that mild hybrids such as this are almost the worst of all worlds. Much more complex than a traditional ICE car, but without most of the benefits of a proper hybrid/EV/

Time will tell I guess.

Interesting points. I remember reading years ago that a Toyota Prius was responcible for more carbon emissions over a average life span, than a petrol Jeep of some description. I seem to recall that this was on account of the amount of energy that went into manufacturing all the parts including the batteries. And with these parts being produced at locations around the globe, the energy required to get them all into one place to assemble them was considerable. So whilst the hybrid burnt less petrol over it's lifespan, the net emissions were higher.

I don't know how true the above is and whether the same stands for modern hybrids when compared to other non-hybrid cars, but the info seems to have stayed with me.

[JonnyVTEC]

MX6 said:

Interesting points. I remember reading years ago that a Toyota Prius was responcible for more carbon emissions over a average life span, than a petrol Jeep of some description. I seem to recall that this was on account of the amount of energy that went into manufacturing all the parts including the batteries. And with these parts being produced at locations around the globe, the energy required to get them all into one place to assemble them was considerable. So whilst the hybrid burnt less petrol over it's lifespan, the net emissions were higher.

I don't know how true the above is and whether the same stands for modern hybrids when compared to other non-hybrid cars, but the info seems to have stayed with me.

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You forgot the main bit that the jeep was based on a 300k mile life and the Prius 100k miles. Total farce of a “report”

[bluemason]

Futse said:

That's the whole point of this of course. Offer bespoke colors (whether you like them or not), some body kit etc. People pay lots of money to the Khans and Mansorys of this world (I would'nt, but each to their own), so JLR wants a piece of that pie. Seems logic to me.

And btw, why post a FFRR in a RRS thread, and moan about pricing?

I actually like it minus the bodykit.If I was spending 100k on a sporty suv.I would get a yellow v8 standard looking range in yellow.

[Fatball]

Horrific

[Jon_S_Rally]

JonnyVTEC said:

You forgot the main bit that the jeep was based on a 300k mile life and the Prius 100k miles. Total farce of a “report”

Depends when it was. I remember driving an original Prius and, at 60k, it was falling apart. No way it would have lasted 100k, let alone 300

[EK993]

9k rpm said:

A lot of electrical tech to be blighted by the legendary Range Rover reliability........

7 years with a V8 Range Rover Sport and 5 years with an F Type V8S - not a single issue with either car during my ownership. Maybe I got lucky?

[anonymous-user]

EK993 said:

9k rpm said:

A lot of electrical tech to be blighted by the legendary Range Rover reliability........

7 years with a V8 Range Rover Sport and 5 years with an F Type V8S - not a single issue with either car during my ownership. Maybe I got lucky?

It’s another standard LR thread on PH, they really are catnip for idiots and cliche mongers.

Of course none actually have an LR product but all know a bloke who ............. etc etc

My experience mirrors yours - 2 D3, 3 D4s, and two FFRRs and only one car, the first D3 ever needed serious attention.

[unpc]

Brooking10 said:

EK993 said:

9k rpm said:

A lot of electrical tech to be blighted by the legendary Range Rover reliability........

7 years with a V8 Range Rover Sport and 5 years with an F Type V8S - not a single issue with either car during my ownership. Maybe I got lucky?

It’s another standard LR thread on PH, they really are catnip for idiots and cliche mongers.

Of course none actually have an LR product but all know a bloke who ............. etc etc

My experience mirrors yours - 2 D3, 3 D4s, and two FFRRs and only one car, the first D3 ever needed serious attention.

Yeah the Mrs is on her 4th and not a single issue with any of them. Doesn't stop the s on here moaning about JLR reliability on every single JLR thread...

[Beechie]

Uncool said:

I'm confused by this sentence:

Article said:

Not only is the P400 3.0-litre the first from JLR's new petrol Ingenium family...{snip}

The petrol ingenium family has been out for a while. Do you mean the first 6 cylinder/

Anyway, if I was in the market for something like this, this is the model I'd go for.

The first 3.0 litre.

[Walter Sobchak]

I’ve had 3 L322s, two 4.4 petrols and a td6, they had a few little niggly bits go on them-air suspension compressor, a coolant pipe, a headlight, but nothing that bad, I’ve also had a 2.7 Sport which was by far the most unreliable and expensive to own car I’ve owned-including TVRs!, gearbox,turbo,air suspension, honestly hated it at the end!, traded it in for a Landcruiser and never looked back, well until I sold that for a non 4x4, my brother had a tdv8 sport and that blew it’s turbos too, speaking from experience LR reliability is a mixed bag, I’ve had one that was really great, two ok and one utter pile of crap, LR and a complicated hybrid system doesn’t inspire confidence, although I’m sure it’s very nice to drive, if I was dropping £80k ish on a 4x4 it wouldn’t be one of these.

[RemyMartin81D]

Expected it to be in BR blue with a yellow nose.

I am disappoint.

[FestivAli]

Interesting powertrain and sounds nice to drive but it looks so vulgar. Change it to a dark blue or brg overall on silver alloys and it would look nice

[ZX10R NIN]

To me what JLR need to do is attach the Hybrid drive train to their diesel engine range & be done with it.

[Helicopter123]

unpc said:

Brooking10 said:

EK993 said:

9k rpm said:

A lot of electrical tech to be blighted by the legendary Range Rover reliability........

7 years with a V8 Range Rover Sport and 5 years with an F Type V8S - not a single issue with either car during my ownership. Maybe I got lucky?

It’s another standard LR thread on PH, they really are catnip for idiots and cliche mongers.

Of course none actually have an LR product but all know a bloke who ............. etc etc

My experience mirrors yours - 2 D3, 3 D4s, and two FFRRs and only one car, the first D3 ever needed serious attention.

Yeah the Mrs is on her 4th and not a single issue with any of them. Doesn't stop the s on here moaning about JLR reliability on every single JLR thread...

To be fair, there are enough posters with horror stories to suggest JLR have had a problem with reliability over the years.

[B10]

Great colour inside and out (apart from the wheels). The current fashion for cars to be a shade of tarmac is so boring and also designed to look aggressive with blacked-out windows and angry faces. Probably got to do with the times we live in.
So let us have colour in our lives rather than trying to look like home counties pimps on the school run.

[Cold]

I believe Land Rover offers a variety of colour choices for its vehicles. Not sure why so many are getting hung up on something so easily adapted to personal taste.