RE: Lotus unveils 2000hp, £2m Evija

[kambites]

I think you miss the point of what makes halo products work these days. It's not so much about proving what the company can do as about justifying what the company can charge.

[otolith]

JD said:

shantybeater said:

The most impressive part of all of this is the nine minute charge, that is a game changer.

It's also another made up point of confusion, Lotus themself say 18 minutes, on a charger that as yet does not exist.

No, they say 9 minutes on the charger that does not yet exist.

What they say about current chargers is;

"Using existing charging technology – such as a 350kW unit, which is currently the most powerful available – the Evija’s charge time will be 12 mins to 80% and 18 mins to 100%. The car’s range is 250 miles (400 km) on the WLTP Combined Cycle, or 270 miles on the NEDC Combined Cycle. Lotus is in discussions with external suppliers on a charging solution for customers."

https://media.lotuscars.com/en/models/evija/evija....

[jjwilde]

JD said:

It's also another made up point of confusion, Lotus themself say 18 minutes, on a charger that as yet does not exist.

Those chargers certainly do exist, they are the ones currently being installed all over Europe.

18mins sounds ok, no big deal.

Someone who could buy a £2million car could easily afford a commercial connection to have that at his mansion, I mean if he wants to, chances are he will just charge it overnight, or in 2-3 hours with an off the shelf 22kw charger.

[Vee12V]

The more I see it the more I like it. Good job Lotus. Pretty sure they'll sell every single one. And rightly so.

[tankplanker]

Wouldn't surprise me if a few circuits started looking at the 350kw chargers for track days if EV hypercars become more popular. An 18 minute charge time makes a lot of sense for a track day, even if they would charge you £50 a go.

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

Are they increasing coal capacity, though, or are they replacing the filthy old plants they've been using?

Both. The planned increases are well in excess of the capacity lost to retirement. Even if they adopt the IEA's 2% plan to meet the Paris climate agreement and phase out ALL current production by 2045 total capacity will not fall back to current levels until past 2045.

[Howard1650]

lovely looking Williams Lotus

[SidewaysSi]

fblm said:

blueg33 said:

Why? A 410 Sport is about £85k. What else is as good or better for the money that you would spend that much on?

I dont understand why people think a Lotus should be cheap. Its a hand made low volume car with class leading dynamics and in the case of the 410 etc loaded with carbon fibre, leather and alcantara.

There's nothing comparable for the money I agree. It's an epic car but in my head Lotus make 30k Elise's (which if I didn't do the school run I'd have in a heart beat). You can call it badge snobbery if you like but my daily is an 11year old VW... I guess it's why brands like Infinity, Acura etc.. exist and why Nissan GTR's sell by the handful. A move into high end EV's could change Lotus's brand positioning dramatically.

Harrry M on the Evora 410 where he talks value as well:

https://youtu.be/CaYGanifXsk

It's probably all people who are used to Audi interiors.

[Tickle]

SidewaysSi said:

Harrry M on the Evora 410 where he talks value as well:

https://youtu.be/CaYGanifXsk

It's probably all people who are used to Audi interiors.

Harry seems to enjoy the 410 a lot! Praise indeed, especially with the cars he has/had access to over the years.

[biggbn]

RumbleOfThunder said:

biggbn said:

donkmeister said:

Is it 2000hp (title) or 2000kW (article)? The latter is nearer 2700bhp.

Beautiful car, but I'm perplexed why they are talking 0-60 times when 0-100 or 0-200mph or 1/4-mile would be far more appropriate metrics for such tyre-shredding power.

0-60 less than 3 seconds
0-124 6 seconds
0-186 9 seconds.

Sounds brutal.

I didn't quite appreciate those numbers as I don't have any in built references. The Chiron does 0-186 in 13 seconds. . I suspect even with the use of its gearboxes, the Evija excels in that "EV" window and runs out of puff quite dramatically, whereas a Chiron or Agera will motor on to 250+ with relative ease.

Figures I quote were from an online website so may or may not be wholly accurate, but with all that power and no gearchanges, who knows?

[JD]

otolith said:

No, they say 9 minutes on the charger that does not yet exist.

What they say about current chargers is;

"Using existing charging technology – such as a 350kW unit, which is currently the most powerful available – the Evija’s charge time will be 12 mins to 80% and 18 mins to 100%. The car’s range is 250 miles (400 km) on the WLTP Combined Cycle, or 270 miles on the NEDC Combined Cycle. Lotus is in discussions with external suppliers on a charging solution for customers."

https://media.lotuscars.com/en/models/evija/evija....

My apologies, just googled and didn’t realise there is one already in the UK!

[kbee540]

Hooray! More d1ck-waving hypercar nonsense. Well done Lotus, but just wait till I build my £6m, 3,000hp, car that only needs a 4MW charging station. That’ll show you.

What’s the range when you deploy your 2000hp. Is it miles/kilometres or yards/meters?

Sorry, got my cynical trousers on today. Can only echo those saying so what? Still think Tesla is the more impressive achievement as it brings sporting(ish) EV ownership at a price point that doesn’t limit potential buyers to plutocrats and dictators. This just seems a lazy and derivative number chasing marketing toss.

[PhillipM]

First hypercar for a long time that's actually interested me. Better check for change down the back of the sofa.

[otolith]

JD said:

otolith said:

No, they say 9 minutes on the charger that does not yet exist.

What they say about current chargers is;

"Using existing charging technology – such as a 350kW unit, which is currently the most powerful available – the Evija’s charge time will be 12 mins to 80% and 18 mins to 100%. The car’s range is 250 miles (400 km) on the WLTP Combined Cycle, or 270 miles on the NEDC Combined Cycle. Lotus is in discussions with external suppliers on a charging solution for customers."

https://media.lotuscars.com/en/models/evija/evija....

My apologies, just googled and didn’t realise there is one already in the UK!

Yep, rollout of 350kW has started. Not that I imagine many of these will stay in the UK.

[rdjohn]

You can imagine Chapman turning in his grave muttering the words

“Give me more lightness”

[Europa1]

rdjohn said:

You can imagine Chapman turning in his grave muttering the words

“Give me more lightness”

Or alternatively being utterly fascinated by the tech, and following it up with "£2m each you say? At a profit, you say? Carry on."

[LotusOmega375D]

I’d think he’d prefer to have been cremated for that reason.

[DonkeyApple]

otolith said:

Not that it really matters, their policy is to drive BEV sales up, their reasoning is irrelevant.

It’s their way to break into global vehicle exporting. It’s been a central State policy for over 20 years. It’s why they have secured control of all the key elements required for EVs. It’s a massive government policy which is why they’ve practically forced EV and battery production on the private sector.

[DonkeyApple]

kambites said:

I think you miss the point of what makes halo products work these days. It's not so much about proving what the company can do as about justifying what the company can charge.

Yup. The halo product allows for higher margins on the highest volume products. Via price and product association.

[GingerPixel]

DonkeyApple said:

Yup. The halo product allows for higher margins on the highest volume products. Via price and product association.

Fair enough. I thought the term was associated more simply with something that represented the 'brand' at its height. Happy to be corrected though.