RE: Lotus Evija to target Nurburgring record

RE: Lotus Evija to target Nurburgring record

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Rawwr

22,722 posts

233 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Porsche911R said:
And you cannot debate on forums ? it is what it is. don't work yourself up again, you will get ill.
take a step back and relax :-)
Everyone knows there's zero point trying to debate with you because it's just the same dismal rhetoric on every thread. You absolutely will not concede a single point, you just churn out untestable supposition or baseless statements and stand by them as absolute fact until everyone gets bored. That's not how debate works.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Porsche911R said:
Stuff
It's not all about you.

They've got serious financial backing now, and they're being repositioned. I'd like them to launch a brilliant all new Elise, small, light, simple, relatively affordable, but that's not where the money is. The money isn't where the Evija is either, but it will enable them to sell 120k cars without people saying that it's too much "for a Lotus".

kambites

67,460 posts

220 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Porsche911R said:
I think if you have £130k to spend and want a focused drivers car you look at both,
If you have £130k to spend and you go to Porsche expecting to buy a new GT3RS you're going to be sorely disappointed.

lotuslover69

Original Poster:

269 posts

142 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Porsche911R said:
I think if you have £130k to spend and want a focused drivers car you look at both, I do when I buy my cars but this is way way off topic and moot now.
But I went for the manual GT3 over an Auto and it's an amazing car to drive.

Lotus have taken a brave gamble on a concept car, I myself don't get it and it's people like me who want to buy into Lotus and driver focused cars.

Not hyper car buyers or Elise S1 owners.

Will this help, neither you or me know. I know atm it's a pie in the sky launch regarding figures and talking ring times 2 years away.


Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 18th July 11:44
How about this video comparison, the cars performed quite similarly and the GT430 is certainly not a bad track car by any means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HaJ7aQa7FU&t=...

ntiz

2,328 posts

135 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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I just realised I started a debate with massive Porsche fanboy. Why do you have link to the Porsche website on your profile?

You might want to notice I said GT3 no mention of RS!

Let’s just leave it at both are very nice cars personally I prefer Lotus because they are more involving and special.

Going back to the original debate this will put Lotus ahead of the competition and a lap time at the ring although pointless does make a statement that Lotus are serious about playing with big boys.

You can’t say it wouldn’t be impressive or make a statement if this spanked everything from Mclaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche! It proves technical knowledge and engineering prowess.

Plus you get to do the trickle down sales tactics like when you get in something like GT3 you will be told it’s got the same seats and steering wheel as the 918 makes it feel more special.

P.S before I’m called a Porsche “hater” I have 911 Carrera 3.0 and 928 GT also 2 mission E on order. Haven’t bought a Lotus since my Elan +2. My son is dead set on an Exige 410 at the moment.

Cripes

32 posts

59 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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I've been looking out for a car for the missus that would do a lap of the Nordschleife in under 7 minutes, yet also be environmentally friendly, i'm also a huge Lotus fan.

I was about to drop the £200k deposit on this, but found out they're not using Morris Marina door handles, Metro mirrors or the stalks from a Mondeo!

NOT A PROPER LOTUS! I'm out.

Debaser

5,665 posts

260 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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JamesL91 said:
Lotus doing things different..

And then banging on about a Nurburgring time again. How may times is a production one of these actually going to do that? It's a meaningless statistic!
It's another measure of performance, no more meaningless than quoted fuel consumption figures.

lotuslover69

Original Poster:

269 posts

142 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Cripes said:
I've been looking out for a car for the missus that would do a lap of the Nordschleife in under 7 minutes, yet also be environmentally friendly, i'm also a huge Lotus fan.

I was about to drop the £200k deposit on this, but found out they're not using Morris Marina door handles, Metro mirrors or the stalks from a Mondeo!

NOT A PROPER LOTUS! I'm out.
I remember a car story i seen on youtube. (might have been VinWiki) of a millionaire who's wife was very much an environmentalist and the guy was a real car nut. He ended up secretly buying cars and storing them at a friends garage so his wife would never find out he was buying all these big engined sports and super cars. This car would have been perfect for him to keep at home biggrin

I think in the end his wife suspected him of an affair but as it turned out he was just sneaking off all time to go look at his cars.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

155 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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You have to respect the ambition of Lotus but are people really queueing up to drop a £250k deposit on this?

RumbleOfThunder

3,546 posts

202 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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ntiz said:
I just realised I started a debate with massive Porsche fanboy. Why do you have link to the Porsche website on your profile?

You might want to notice I said GT3 no mention of RS!

Let’s just leave it at both are very nice cars personally I prefer Lotus because they are more involving and special.

Going back to the original debate this will put Lotus ahead of the competition and a lap time at the ring although pointless does make a statement that Lotus are serious about playing with big boys.

You can’t say it wouldn’t be impressive or make a statement if this spanked everything from Mclaren, Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche! It proves technical knowledge and engineering prowess.

Plus you get to do the trickle down sales tactics like when you get in something like GT3 you will be told it’s got the same seats and steering wheel as the 918 makes it feel more special.

P.S before I’m called a Porsche “hater” I have 911 Carrera 3.0 and 928 GT also 2 mission E on order. Haven’t bought a Lotus since my Elan +2. My son is dead set on an Exige 410 at the moment.
Good grief what a tool. hehe

kambites

67,460 posts

220 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Helicopter123 said:
You have to respect the ambition of Lotus but are people really queueing up to drop a £250k deposit on this?
If they were, Lotus would have no need to make it. smile

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Helicopter123 said:
You have to respect the ambition of Lotus but are people really queueing up to drop a £250k deposit on this?
If they can persuade 6% of the world's billionaires to buy one, that's all 130 sold out.

sidesauce

2,456 posts

217 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Baldchap said:
Porsche911R said:
Lotus make great cars 10 years too late. they don't make bad cars, just very out of date ones vs other brands the last 15 years !!
I disagree. The Elise/Exige is the only car left for sale today (Caterfields excluded, perhaps) that is 100% a driver's car. It's not 10 years too late, it's the last hope for most of us in a world increasingly moving towards driving experiences that get ever closer to watching TV.

Nothing from any other manufacturer that I sampled came anywhere near.
BAC Mono? Ariel Atom? Ultima GTR? Noble M600?

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Debaser said:
It's another measure of performance, no more meaningless than quoted fuel consumption figures.
Indeed, it’s a very useful measure. For decades, people used 0-60 times, top speeds, 1/4 mile times as a rough measure of performance.

A Nurburgring time is vastly more informative and interesting than those. Acceleration (at low and high speeds), braking, handling along a 13(?) mile racing circuit which happens to be far more like the sort of road you’d drive quickly on than any other well-known circuit.

Of course, with differences in weather, tyres, the driver etc. it’s not a perfect comparison, but it’s so much better than anything else as a convenient metric of a car’s all-round performance.

People whinging about it do my head in... complaining that manufacturers have been competing around a difficult, dangerous racing track for years... what do you want them to do? Talk about their mobility concepts?! The ‘ring wars’ will be looked back upon fondly in the years to come.

(This is separate from the argument about driver involvement vs performance IMO... For some cars it’s not relevant, such as the Alpine A110.)

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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It gives a benchmark for overall performance, heavily weighted towards certain areas of high speed performance.

Mikebentley

6,034 posts

139 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Meanwhile back to the Lotus......that looks very special in a world of jelly moulds.

Cripes

32 posts

59 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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ntiz said:
I just realised I started a debate with massive Porsche fanboy. Why do you have link to the Porsche website on your profile?

I love Porsche motor cars but i'm beginning to feel that as a company, they have a corporate responsibility for the metal wellbeing of some of their most zealous fans.

Maybe they could contribute to some form of charitable institution which councells die hard fans and introduces them to the idea that other cars can and will exist, they might even be quite different and good for different reasons...





RobM77

35,349 posts

233 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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sidesauce said:
Baldchap said:
Porsche911R said:
Lotus make great cars 10 years too late. they don't make bad cars, just very out of date ones vs other brands the last 15 years !!
I disagree. The Elise/Exige is the only car left for sale today (Caterfields excluded, perhaps) that is 100% a driver's car. It's not 10 years too late, it's the last hope for most of us in a world increasingly moving towards driving experiences that get ever closer to watching TV.

Nothing from any other manufacturer that I sampled came anywhere near.
BAC Mono? Ariel Atom? Ultima GTR? Noble M600?
I suspect Baldchap was referring to cars an average car enthusiast would want to use every day. I've owned two Lotuses (Elise and 2-Eleven) and two Caterhams (one VVC for road use, and one race car), and whilst it's hard to choose because I love them both dearly, the feedback and sensations of driving in the Lotuses were generally finer, more detailed and gave more pleasure. The Caterhams of course more than made up for that in their stunning agility, ease of driving fast and cornering balance. The killer thing though is that an Elise or Exige is extremely usable as a daily driver or as a mini-GT, which seals it for most people.

So for me, I'd echo the above comment that nothing comes close, but only on the proviso that we're not including Caterhams, Atoms etc.

ntiz

2,328 posts

135 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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Cripes said:
ntiz said:
I just realised I started a debate with massive Porsche fanboy. Why do you have link to the Porsche website on your profile?

I love Porsche motor cars but i'm beginning to feel that as a company, they have a corporate responsibility for the metal wellbeing of some of their most zealous fans.

Maybe they could contribute to some form of charitable institution which councells die hard fans and introduces them to the idea that other cars can and will exist, they might even be quite different and good for different reasons...




Hi my name is Ntiz and I’m a ................. Porsche enthusiast.

Group: Hi Ntiz!

It has been a whole hour since I told someone how much better the 911 is compared to anything ever in the history of man kind.

Group: loudly cheers and claps at my inner strength.

sidesauce

2,456 posts

217 months

Thursday 18th July 2019
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RobM77 said:
sidesauce said:
Baldchap said:
Porsche911R said:
Lotus make great cars 10 years too late. they don't make bad cars, just very out of date ones vs other brands the last 15 years !!
I disagree. The Elise/Exige is the only car left for sale today (Caterfields excluded, perhaps) that is 100% a driver's car. It's not 10 years too late, it's the last hope for most of us in a world increasingly moving towards driving experiences that get ever closer to watching TV.

Nothing from any other manufacturer that I sampled came anywhere near.
BAC Mono? Ariel Atom? Ultima GTR? Noble M600?
I suspect Baldchap was referring to cars an average car enthusiast would want to use every day. I've owned two Lotuses (Elise and 2-Eleven) and two Caterhams (one VVC for road use, and one race car), and whilst it's hard to choose because I love them both dearly, the feedback and sensations of driving in the Lotuses were generally finer, more detailed and gave more pleasure. The Caterhams of course more than made up for that in their stunning agility, ease of driving fast and cornering balance. The killer thing though is that an Elise or Exige is extremely usable as a daily driver or as a mini-GT, which seals it for most people.

So for me, I'd echo the above comment that nothing comes close, but only on the proviso that we're not including Caterhams, Atoms etc.
I only brought those up as he specifically said "the only car left for sale today (Caterfield's excluded perhaps) that is 100% a drivers car" which didn't even take the cars I've mentioned into account neither did he say anything about day-to-day usability and as such it's a pretty sweeping statement; if he'd said, for example, "one of very few" there'd be no need for provisos whatsoever!

And what about GT86s or MX5s in terms of daily driving/mini-GT usage? Are these not 'drivers cars' either?