Bad crash at my local boy racer meet
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You may find that it stretches your pocket money a wee bit.
You may find that it stretches your pocket money a wee bit.
markyb_lcy said:
There’s a lot of snobbery going on in this thread.
Older people somehow thinking more years on the earth gives them a god given right to talk down to younger people and rubbish their opinions based on age alone.
People banging on about loud exhausts which have pretty much zero relevance to the fact this happened.
People who are apparently petrol heads doing their best anti-petrol-head impersonations.
There is only two people to blame for this outcome ... the driver doing 70 in a 40 when there are people lining the streets and the driver who pulled out without looking.
Some posters really ought to get off their high horses. Isn’t there a cross-stitch club you might be better as a member of? Think some of outgrown their “hobby” but forgot to move on so just post bitterness and snobbish replies.
Your comment seems to have been overlooked actually and no response, you've made a very good point. Older people somehow thinking more years on the earth gives them a god given right to talk down to younger people and rubbish their opinions based on age alone.
People banging on about loud exhausts which have pretty much zero relevance to the fact this happened.
People who are apparently petrol heads doing their best anti-petrol-head impersonations.
There is only two people to blame for this outcome ... the driver doing 70 in a 40 when there are people lining the streets and the driver who pulled out without looking.
Some posters really ought to get off their high horses. Isn’t there a cross-stitch club you might be better as a member of? Think some of outgrown their “hobby” but forgot to move on so just post bitterness and snobbish replies.
There's nothing essentially different about this collision apart from the fact that there were lots of spectators to the accident?
If the same two cars had collided on the same road without spectators, this wouldn't have even reached the news?
The only reason this is being pedalled so far is that the media have had a slow news day and have decided to plaster it all over.
Nobody would've cared/acted upon the event if it hadn't been made mainstream.
Algarve said:
markyb_lcy said:
PF62 said:
You seem to have forgotten about the morons stood in the road, the police (the police station is a stone's throw away) who chose not to take effective action following the previous problems, the car magazines and TV shows who encourage this type of t
tish behavior, etc, etc.
I did not forget about them at all.tish behavior, etc, etc.Out of all the things mentioned, only taking away the actions of the two drivers ensures the accident doesn’t happen. It’s simple logic.
Don’t give those drivers the option of blaming anyone or anything else, they are adults with driving licenses and they chose to drive the way they did.
tty illegal driving, the drivers probably wouldn't have done it in the first place. The drivers aren't the only one to blame here.
GEllisM4 said:
Drumroll said:
It was me that mentioned it.
Again, councils have legal obligations so the vast majority of money has to be spent on certain things. Just as much as you don't see why your money should pay for certain things a council does, I am pretty sure a lot of people would object to what you are planning.
You seem to think you could just get a piece of road closed so you and your friends could have a "hoon" a I said in an earlier post it won't happen, for the reasons I mentioned.. As someone who has been involved in organising closed rallying in this country, you would not believe the "hoops" we had to go through to enable rallying to take place.
I must agree, I suppose people would object to how I am intending to spend that money. However everyone disagrees on something so at some point, a decision has to be made I guess. Again, councils have legal obligations so the vast majority of money has to be spent on certain things. Just as much as you don't see why your money should pay for certain things a council does, I am pretty sure a lot of people would object to what you are planning.
You seem to think you could just get a piece of road closed so you and your friends could have a "hoon" a I said in an earlier post it won't happen, for the reasons I mentioned.. As someone who has been involved in organising closed rallying in this country, you would not believe the "hoops" we had to go through to enable rallying to take place.
I assume if the council were to endorse the event as something 'Safe' they'd be able to force it through quickly?
Could I ask where the first port of call is to enquire about a small stretch of road being closed? - Just out of interest.
As I have repeatedly said once it becomes "formal" there are no shortcuts. People organising it, people that own the land etc. will all have legal responsibilities. and be legally accountable. Take it from someone who has been interviewed, (sometimes under caution), several times for fatal/serious accidents at legally organised events.
All this talk of council spending seems to be detracting from the simple truths in my opinion...
This was a static meet. The aim is to go there, park up, enjoy the spectacle, then leave under the rules of the road. Pay particular attention to swathes of people littered everywhere who are also enjoying the day. Don't drive like a clown, and in accordance with general road safety. It you are heading down an icy hill, you don't floor the throttle. If you are heading towards a crowd of people, you don't floor the throttle.
If you want to blast away at mighty speeds, we are very well catered for in the UK with track days, santa pod for straight line speed stuff etc.
The council needs to help us collectively with societies larger complex social needs, much of it we might not all see, use or understand, but someone somewhere who really needs it, will be reaping significant benefit from. It shouldn't have to cater for our hobby, when private firms already do so extensively in the UK.
Using common sense and appropriate risk evaluation as a driver is paramount. And if you don't, and get caught out, then the repercussions could be enormous - as in this very sad case.
I hope everyone injured makes a speedy recovery.
This was a static meet. The aim is to go there, park up, enjoy the spectacle, then leave under the rules of the road. Pay particular attention to swathes of people littered everywhere who are also enjoying the day. Don't drive like a clown, and in accordance with general road safety. It you are heading down an icy hill, you don't floor the throttle. If you are heading towards a crowd of people, you don't floor the throttle.
If you want to blast away at mighty speeds, we are very well catered for in the UK with track days, santa pod for straight line speed stuff etc.
The council needs to help us collectively with societies larger complex social needs, much of it we might not all see, use or understand, but someone somewhere who really needs it, will be reaping significant benefit from. It shouldn't have to cater for our hobby, when private firms already do so extensively in the UK.
Using common sense and appropriate risk evaluation as a driver is paramount. And if you don't, and get caught out, then the repercussions could be enormous - as in this very sad case.
I hope everyone injured makes a speedy recovery.
GEllisM4 said:
Would you be kind enough to let me know where this farm and farmer is located? I'll drop him a message and I'm sure everyone from my local meet would be willing to put some moneys in...
Even in the pretty respectable car club we were in I'd say there were plenty of members who could easily have ruined the delicate balance, driving like idiots on local roads etc. We were super lucky to get a small group of like minded folk who happily played by the rules...and were rewarded with a really cool thing.Look at Castle Combe Action Days, very affordable car meet/event but some spectacular knobnishness on local roads by some attendees that constantly put those sorts of sanctioned events at risk.
GEllisM4 said:
markyb_lcy said:
There’s a lot of snobbery going on in this thread.
Older people somehow thinking more years on the earth gives them a god given right to talk down to younger people and rubbish their opinions based on age alone.
People banging on about loud exhausts which have pretty much zero relevance to the fact this happened.
People who are apparently petrol heads doing their best anti-petrol-head impersonations.
There is only two people to blame for this outcome ... the driver doing 70 in a 40 when there are people lining the streets and the driver who pulled out without looking.
Some posters really ought to get off their high horses. Isn’t there a cross-stitch club you might be better as a member of? Think some of outgrown their “hobby” but forgot to move on so just post bitterness and snobbish replies.
Your comment seems to have been overlooked actually and no response, you've made a very good point. Older people somehow thinking more years on the earth gives them a god given right to talk down to younger people and rubbish their opinions based on age alone.
People banging on about loud exhausts which have pretty much zero relevance to the fact this happened.
People who are apparently petrol heads doing their best anti-petrol-head impersonations.
There is only two people to blame for this outcome ... the driver doing 70 in a 40 when there are people lining the streets and the driver who pulled out without looking.
Some posters really ought to get off their high horses. Isn’t there a cross-stitch club you might be better as a member of? Think some of outgrown their “hobby” but forgot to move on so just post bitterness and snobbish replies.
There's nothing essentially different about this collision apart from the fact that there were lots of spectators to the accident?
If the same two cars had collided on the same road without spectators, this wouldn't have even reached the news?
The only reason this is being pedalled so far is that the media have had a slow news day and have decided to plaster it all over.
Nobody would've cared/acted upon the event if it hadn't been made mainstream.
The Daily Mail readers love getting in a froth about certain things and this is right up their alley, but to be fair, it is all a bit stupid and avoidable.
GEllisM4 said:
Councillors are also paid way too much... however that is now straying off topic.
The basic allowance for a Stevenage Councillor is under £8K. Chairs of committees get a further allowance up to around £10K. Hardly being paid way too much and there is of course nothing to stop you from standing for election in your local Council and then choosing to not to accept any paymentJust to add some balance to the comments surrounding the fart can exhausts, spotty youths and other class based comments, does nobody remember this?
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/offbeat/mil...
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/offbeat/mil...
Bobtherallyfan said:
GEllisM4 said:
Councillors are also paid way too much... however that is now straying off topic.
The basic allowance for a Stevenage Councillor is under £8K. Chairs of committees get a further allowance up to around £10K. Hardly being paid way too much and there is of course nothing to stop you from standing for election in your local Council and then choosing to not to accept any paymentFFS, ignore this fool he knows absolutely f
k all, about fk all. 
matjk said:
I wasn’t there fortunately, the “meet” is about 1/3mile from my house and I live on the road it’s takes place on. The accident point is on my evening dog walking route as there’s a path that runs next to the road up a 50ft bank.
There would have been a good 200 spectators, is it likely the police would bother trying to prosecute any of them ?
Everyone is up in arms now as there have been complaints for months now and knew this was going to happen yet nothing was done to stop it !
What I couldn’t understand is why they didn’t covertly record the goings on ( plain clothes with camcorder or phone) then send out NIPs in the post , just a few handed out would have sent a shockwave around the drivers and nipped it in the bud
Doesn't need to be covertly. Police could be using these events to have their own display at the static meet, showing off some tech or their cars etc. Not only would this act as a deterrent, it might also improve relations between the Police and those at the meet.There would have been a good 200 spectators, is it likely the police would bother trying to prosecute any of them ?
Everyone is up in arms now as there have been complaints for months now and knew this was going to happen yet nothing was done to stop it !
What I couldn’t understand is why they didn’t covertly record the goings on ( plain clothes with camcorder or phone) then send out NIPs in the post , just a few handed out would have sent a shockwave around the drivers and nipped it in the bud
Policing should be more about preventing crime than reacting to it.
GEllisM4 said:
Your comment seems to have been overlooked actually and no response, you've made a very good point.
There's nothing essentially different about this collision apart from the fact that there were lots of spectators to the accident?
If the same two cars had collided on the same road without spectators, this wouldn't have even reached the news?
The only reason this is being pedalled so far is that the media have had a slow news day and have decided to plaster it all over.
Nobody would've cared/acted upon the event if it hadn't been made mainstream.
I think you will find that the reason this was a big story wasn't that it was a slow news day nor spectators present, it was that 20ish of those spectators became victims. Victims of their own and others stupidity. There's nothing essentially different about this collision apart from the fact that there were lots of spectators to the accident?
If the same two cars had collided on the same road without spectators, this wouldn't have even reached the news?
The only reason this is being pedalled so far is that the media have had a slow news day and have decided to plaster it all over.
Nobody would've cared/acted upon the event if it hadn't been made mainstream.
can't remember said:
GEllisM4 said:
Your comment seems to have been overlooked actually and no response, you've made a very good point.
There's nothing essentially different about this collision apart from the fact that there were lots of spectators to the accident?
If the same two cars had collided on the same road without spectators, this wouldn't have even reached the news?
The only reason this is being pedalled so far is that the media have had a slow news day and have decided to plaster it all over.
Nobody would've cared/acted upon the event if it hadn't been made mainstream.
I think you will find that the reason this was a big story wasn't a slow news day nor spectators present, it was that 20ish of those spectators became victims. Victims of their own and others stupidity. There's nothing essentially different about this collision apart from the fact that there were lots of spectators to the accident?
If the same two cars had collided on the same road without spectators, this wouldn't have even reached the news?
The only reason this is being pedalled so far is that the media have had a slow news day and have decided to plaster it all over.
Nobody would've cared/acted upon the event if it hadn't been made mainstream.
You could make an argument that they willingly put themselves in a risky environment, though. If you make a point of turning up to the Pamplona bull run and get battered you can hardly say "but I was just minding my own business!"
Plus the spectators being there fuels the antics too.. If there wasn't a crowd (or any crowd) perhaps there wouldn't be so many idiots playing up to them, or maybe the event wouldn't happen at all.
The spectators share a part of the blame for things like this happening by encouraging it.
Plus the spectators being there fuels the antics too.. If there wasn't a crowd (or any crowd) perhaps there wouldn't be so many idiots playing up to them, or maybe the event wouldn't happen at all.
The spectators share a part of the blame for things like this happening by encouraging it.
Durzel said:
You could make an argument that they willingly put themselves in a risky environment, though. If you make a point of turning up to the Pamplona bull run and get battered you can hardly say "but I was just minding my own business!"
+1If you got to a properly organised motor race you appreciate there is a chance of something coming into the crowd.
GEllisM4 said:
I have a sneaking suspicion the council are having no issues with cash. The amount of money they seem to be able to spend when it suits them is unbelievable. Useless expenditure is the main thing. My local council has built a new library, ignoring that in modern days thing such as library's are no longer used as people can access more information on their phones than going to the library.
If they didn't waste money on expenditure of things like that, I believe there would be a huge saving in costs...
Councillors are also paid way too much... however that is now straying off topic.
New libraries like many new local and central government buildings are usually privately funded. Modern libraries tend to be well used and function as more than a repository for books. They are used fof a wide range of community benefit. If they didn't waste money on expenditure of things like that, I believe there would be a huge saving in costs...
Councillors are also paid way too much... however that is now straying off topic.
Unlike closing a road (very expensive) for a few people to drive like idiots.
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