RE: How do you solve a problem like Evija
Discussion
Vee12V said:
Sure, it's pointless in terms of performance and price but almost any supercar these days is. You could say the same about a 720S or 488. Both stupid fast, expensive and less enjoyable because of it. But I don't see any journalist ranting you'd be better off buying a 911 or Evora instead.
So why now?
It's a technical tour the force that blows anything else in or outside the segment off the table. And let's not forget it's still remarkably lighter than a Chiron for example.
Cos it's an EV innit.So why now?
It's a technical tour the force that blows anything else in or outside the segment off the table. And let's not forget it's still remarkably lighter than a Chiron for example.
So doubly pointless to the anti EV brigade.
Hmmm. I understand the sentiment on the whole, but on this occasion I think I’m in disagreement.
Firstly this car is very clearly intended to be a halo product to boost the brand image and assert Lotus’ intentions as a very serious automaker on the world stage. It’s viability as a commercial product is secondary.
Secondly I very much doubt many people would be complaining about the excess performance if this were affordable. It’s easy to dismiss something as pointless when you know you’re never going to be in a position to actually asses it.
Firstly this car is very clearly intended to be a halo product to boost the brand image and assert Lotus’ intentions as a very serious automaker on the world stage. It’s viability as a commercial product is secondary.
Secondly I very much doubt many people would be complaining about the excess performance if this were affordable. It’s easy to dismiss something as pointless when you know you’re never going to be in a position to actually asses it.
I hate being the one to ask this, purely because I think buying a car as an investment and not actually using it is a genuinely deplorable way to go about things, but these current EV hypercars may be £2mill now, but as the tech gets better, weight drops, range massively increases etc etc aren't the value of these things just going to plummet?
It's not like a Miura or a Daytona where the styling is a standout feature and they sound fantastic, they all look pretty much identical, it's not going to be how it feels to drive, 2000bhp from one persons electric motor can't feel much different to a motor from someone else surely? So what will make these standout to keep the values sky high compared to their rivals?
It's not like a Miura or a Daytona where the styling is a standout feature and they sound fantastic, they all look pretty much identical, it's not going to be how it feels to drive, 2000bhp from one persons electric motor can't feel much different to a motor from someone else surely? So what will make these standout to keep the values sky high compared to their rivals?
Kenny Powers said:
Hmmm. I understand the sentiment on the whole, but on this occasion I think I’m in disagreement.
Firstly this car is very clearly intended to be a halo product to boost the brand image and assert Lotus’ intentions as a very serious automaker on the world stage. It’s viability as a commercial product is secondary.
Secondly I very much doubt many people would be complaining about the excess performance if this were affordable. It’s easy to dismiss something as pointless when you know you’re never going to be in a position to actually asses it.
If this was a petrol lotus with koenigsegg beating performance this forum would be bursting no matter it being just as unusable. Firstly this car is very clearly intended to be a halo product to boost the brand image and assert Lotus’ intentions as a very serious automaker on the world stage. It’s viability as a commercial product is secondary.
Secondly I very much doubt many people would be complaining about the excess performance if this were affordable. It’s easy to dismiss something as pointless when you know you’re never going to be in a position to actually asses it.
Everyone is so focused on discussing the power and the price, yet all the interesting videos hardly mention either. Are we all missing the point a bit here? The 2000hp, is, as the article explains, inevitable for a hyper EV, so not that interesting. The price is right for the market, and is a statement itself. It is what it is.
It seems to me though that if you think this car is trying to make a statement with just it's power and price, you will indeed be left feeling a bit numb by it.
They've talked about how removing the engine opens up new aero possibilities, and everyone nods appreciatively, and then goes straight back to talking about the price and the power. Why? Why are we not talking about what this car can do with the sort of airflow trickery never before seen on a road car? OK, we haven't seen it in action yet, but isn't it obvious that's what Lotus are doing here?
When we see this thing in action on the track, I suspect nobody will mention power or price again. The Lotus guys are calling this car a game-changer, and I believe them. Lotus, I think, are reading all this chat, and tittering away to themselves, ready to pull a massive handling phenomenon out of their hats, certainly one that makes all other EVs look daft, and if it wasn't for the battery weight penalty and the laws of physics, I'd say possible a lot of ICE cars too.
Are we not, possibly, looking at THE car that makes wings and splitters and canards and diveplanes look about as modern as a Ford Model T?
It seems to me though that if you think this car is trying to make a statement with just it's power and price, you will indeed be left feeling a bit numb by it.
They've talked about how removing the engine opens up new aero possibilities, and everyone nods appreciatively, and then goes straight back to talking about the price and the power. Why? Why are we not talking about what this car can do with the sort of airflow trickery never before seen on a road car? OK, we haven't seen it in action yet, but isn't it obvious that's what Lotus are doing here?
When we see this thing in action on the track, I suspect nobody will mention power or price again. The Lotus guys are calling this car a game-changer, and I believe them. Lotus, I think, are reading all this chat, and tittering away to themselves, ready to pull a massive handling phenomenon out of their hats, certainly one that makes all other EVs look daft, and if it wasn't for the battery weight penalty and the laws of physics, I'd say possible a lot of ICE cars too.
Are we not, possibly, looking at THE car that makes wings and splitters and canards and diveplanes look about as modern as a Ford Model T?
An excellent thought provoking article.
When the size of the battery affects both the range and the maximum discharge current, and the incremental cost of adding another couple of motors is minimal in terms of both weight and cost then shooting for these ridiculous power numbers makes sense.
When the size of the battery affects both the range and the maximum discharge current, and the incremental cost of adding another couple of motors is minimal in terms of both weight and cost then shooting for these ridiculous power numbers makes sense.
RobDickinson said:
Yet there's not a single one of us on here who's turn down a day with one..
Exactly. Money no object, I doubt there are many, if any, car enthusiasts who would turn down the opportunity to own a car that gets from 0-186 mph in less than ten seconds. I’d have one even if it just stayed in a car collection looking pretty, which of course many will, and if that’s what makes the owners happy then no harm done 
SOL111 said:
Cos it's an EV innit.
So doubly pointless to the anti EV brigade.
That’s how I feel yep, doubly pointless because it’s yet another EV. At least with various Exotica previously you’d have some curiously bonkers power plant making noises like an F1 car. Now it’s just a potentiometer and a slight whirring noise. So doubly pointless to the anti EV brigade.
Then the government will cotton onto the insane performance and have them all restricted, the EV brigade will be happy and we can all drive around at 30mph with our purchases. Meanwhile the owner will get bored, stick the car up for sale and start enjoying his F40 again.
But every supercar, no matter how it’s powered, must feel incredibly frustrating on the public road?
yonex said:
SOL111 said:
Cos it's an EV innit.
So doubly pointless to the anti EV brigade.
That’s how I feel yep, doubly pointless because it’s yet another EV. At least with various Exotica previously you’d have some curiously bonkers power plant making noises like an F1 car. Now it’s just a potentiometer and a slight whirring noise. So doubly pointless to the anti EV brigade.
Then the government will cotton onto the insane performance and have them all restricted, the EV brigade will be happy and we can all drive around at 30mph with our purchases. Meanwhile the owner will get bored, stick the car up for sale and start enjoying his F40 again.
But every supercar, no matter how it’s powered, must feel incredibly frustrating on the public road?
Why on earth would the EV brigade want everything to be 30mph? I think you've got mixed up with your rambling as EV's are quietly tapping into levels of acceleration previously unknown to £40k+ saloons.
It might not be exciting for you but fortunately you'll be retired from driving before long
and the next generation will enjoy.SOL111 said:
Except ice has been done to death. Dan Prosser rightly points out all of the challenges with EV hypercars and challenge is what engineers like. It's a natural progression from the Uber hybrids from Porsche and McLaren.
Why on earth would the EV brigade want everything to be 30mph? I think you've got mixed up with your rambling as EV's are quietly tapping into levels of acceleration previously unknown to £40k+ saloons.
It might not be exciting for you but fortunately you'll be retired from driving before long and the next generation will enjoy.
Retired, hopefully sooner than that Why on earth would the EV brigade want everything to be 30mph? I think you've got mixed up with your rambling as EV's are quietly tapping into levels of acceleration previously unknown to £40k+ saloons.
It might not be exciting for you but fortunately you'll be retired from driving before long
and the next generation will enjoy.
I think it’s quite naive to think that the performance available with EV will be left unchallenged. As was said in the article. It’s a shame they aren’t focused on range rather than how fast it’ll reach 190mph. It’s not going to be the next generation. Probably another one or two. We won’t even have to drive them. anonymous said:
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The NSX is heavier than the Evija! The Evija is also lighter than the 918, Chiron, Aventador, DB11 or a Nissan GTR. That highlights the strange thing about the article for me, it’s criticizing the excessive weight of a car that’s not that heavy in context. Sure it’s no 7 style featherweight, but defined by its limitations? That seems like a pretty bold criticism for someone to make about a car they’ve never driven. 2000bhp, and we all yawn. Says a lot really. Yeah, it's lovely and great and everything, but it's irrelevant. It might as well be a Lotus speed boat, or a Lotus watch, or a Lotus smoking jacket. I think there's definitely a divide between "cars" and "million pound plus cars" (beyond the obvious), and I think plenty of people are just a bit bored of the latter. You can be into cars, but not into £2million statements...in the same way I'm into dressing smartly but have no interest in fashion.
Quite an interesting little article though, makes a good point. Fast electric cars all have to follow the same blueprint - big batteries for range, quite big weight from big battery, powerful motors to overcome big weight. Until battery technology changes drastically there won't be a lightweight electric option... Hopefully it catches up quick - I, like most people, can't wait for the simple life of electric cars.
Quite an interesting little article though, makes a good point. Fast electric cars all have to follow the same blueprint - big batteries for range, quite big weight from big battery, powerful motors to overcome big weight. Until battery technology changes drastically there won't be a lightweight electric option... Hopefully it catches up quick - I, like most people, can't wait for the simple life of electric cars.
RobDickinson said:
Yet there's not a single one of us on here who's turn down a day with one..
Actually I would. Why? Because with that much performance on tap I would:a) Probably lose my license
b) Would get very frustrated at trying to be sensible bearing 'a' in mind
c) What's the point bearing 'b' in mind?
If I want a good thrash and enjoy myself I'll take my bike any day of the week or my E46.
I voiced similar to the OP earlier last week and someone suggested I was a wuss. t
t.GranCab said:
I'm sure all (potential) Evija owners will choose Octopus Energy as their preferred supplier ....
What about tyres and other consumables, servicing etc ? ( ... and don't pretend EVs don't need any of this )
I don't think "fuel" cost per mile is the first thing owners of Hyper EVs think about when making their purchasing decisions.
The original quote you were referring to related with the running costs associated with a high powered IC engine, of which fuel is just one of the costs. The current consumables on a ev will be tyres, brake pads and maybe topping up the A/C gas every now and the.. The motors and batteries don’t need servicing regularly.What about tyres and other consumables, servicing etc ? ( ... and don't pretend EVs don't need any of this )
I don't think "fuel" cost per mile is the first thing owners of Hyper EVs think about when making their purchasing decisions.
So I’m afraid your skepticism was misplaced.
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