If the car industry were like the airline industry...

If the car industry were like the airline industry...

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durbster

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10,262 posts

222 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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I was reading something about the origins of the airline industry recently and how, in order to get people to fly in large numbers, they recognised passengers must have confidence in the whole system. You must feel the planes are safe, the pilots are trained and there are numerous backup and safety systems throughout.

The airline industry itself has been very effective at implementing measures to prevent problems happening repeatedly and, as a result, flying is a very safe way to travel.

Here's my hypothetical question to ponder:
If the car industry had taken the same approach from the beginning, where every serious car accident was studied and measures put in place to prevent it happening again, what would cars and driving be like today?

My guess:
- Far fewer people would have licences so car usage would be more like taxis
- Autonomous cars would now be prevalent
- Speed limits would be lower, especially on A-roads
- Most roads would be dual-carriageways
- Some corners would have run-offs or gravel traps like race tracks
- Cars would not be allowed in cities; cyclists would not be allowed outside them

What do you think?

Cold

15,244 posts

90 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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Cupholders would be redundant as you wouldn't be able to bring your own bottled water into the car.

Drumroll

3,755 posts

120 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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There would be a lot less choice of cars, the models in existence wouldn't have many "facelifts" but the new models would be that new.

ZX10R NIN

27,592 posts

125 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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If it was like the airline industry you'd be getting charged extra for everything.

marksx

5,052 posts

190 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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"what would cars and driving be like today?"

Boring

FiF

44,061 posts

251 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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You'd be all packed up to go on holiday somewhere beachified, hot and sunny. You'd hand your bags at the door to the luggage handlers who would then pack your car. On arrival at your destination you'd find a set of cases that weren't yours, but from someone on the next street who were planning a hill walking holiday in Scotland, meanwhile your luggage would be with some crew from the council flats in a caravan in Cleethorpes.

Something like that?




finishing touch

809 posts

167 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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Fuel would be almost tax free

Jakg

3,462 posts

168 months

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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ZX10R NIN said:
If it was like the airline industry you'd be getting charged extra for everything.
So just like buying a German car then... hehe

Pica-Pica

13,773 posts

84 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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durbster said:
I was reading something about the origins of the airline industry recently and how, in order to get people to fly in large numbers, they recognised passengers must have confidence in the whole system. You must feel the planes are safe, the pilots are trained and there are numerous backup and safety systems throughout.

The airline industry itself has been very effective at implementing measures to prevent problems happening repeatedly and, as a result, flying is a very safe way to travel.

Here's my hypothetical question to ponder:
If the car industry had taken the same approach from the beginning, where every serious car accident was studied and measures put in place to prevent it happening again, what would cars and driving be like today?

My guess:
- Far fewer people would have licences so car usage would be more like taxis
- Autonomous cars would now be prevalent
- Speed limits would be lower, especially on A-roads
- Most roads would be dual-carriageways
- Some corners would have run-offs or gravel traps like race tracks
- Cars would not be allowed in cities; cyclists would not be allowed outside them

What do you think?
The car industry and airplane industry are very, very similar in terms of FMEAs.
You are talking about infrastructure. Different kettle of fish.

WJNB

2,637 posts

161 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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It might mean a trolley-dolly bringing your drink to you rather than an over-priced frothy Costa coffee at a services. 'Services' that's a laugh.

Condi

17,188 posts

171 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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Pica-Pica said:
The car industry and airplane industry are very, very similar in terms of FMEAs.
They are?

Why were so many Vauxhalls setting themselves on fire the other year? Ford Pinto's had a appalling safety record which Ford refused to recognise, let alone fix. There are numerous models with known failure points; some are fixed under warranty, many are not.

Maybe internally the failure models are similar, but publicly do the car industry do anywhere near as much to look after their products and admit problems?

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

97 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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Most cars are littered with all kinds of stuff, considering the Airlines bleef you dry for anything you wish to transport but the bare minimum I think it would mean that cars would look far more tidy if similar rules for brining in too much stuff would be implemented.

Ps I like the ridiculous exercise of comparing two totally incompatible business models. Trains could be compared, but cars is streching the imagination quite a bit.

Countdown

39,850 posts

196 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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Condi said:
Pica-Pica said:
The car industry and airplane industry are very, very similar in terms of FMEAs.
They are?

Why were so many Vauxhalls setting themselves on fire the other year? Ford Pinto's had a appalling safety record which Ford refused to recognise, let alone fix. There are numerous models with known failure points; some are fixed under warranty, many are not.

Maybe internally the failure models are similar, but publicly do the car industry do anywhere near as much to look after their products and admit problems?
They’re different because the consequences if anything goes wrong are massively different.

67Dino

3,583 posts

105 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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You’d have to give a safety briefing every time you went on a trip. “The seat belts close like this... The exits are here... and in the event of a landing on water...”

Crafty_

13,283 posts

200 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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Condi said:
They are?

Why were so many Vauxhalls setting themselves on fire the other year? Ford Pinto's had a appalling safety record which Ford refused to recognise, let alone fix. There are numerous models with known failure points; some are fixed under warranty, many are not.

Maybe internally the failure models are similar, but publicly do the car industry do anywhere near as much to look after their products and admit problems?
Plenty of aircraft have issues too, 737 MAX for example is not doing Boeing any favours right now. Quality issues on the Rolls Trent 900 engine caused a bit of a mess of an A380 not so many years ago. CFM engines had a habit of chucking fan blades http://www.b737.org.uk/incident_n772sw.htm

Early 90s there were several instances of severe loss of rudder control on 737s. Eventually it was found that a hydraulic actuator could start working in reverse in some scenarios, the fault caused two crashes and over 150 deaths.

United Airlines flight 811 experienced an explosive decompression whilst in air, caused by the cargo door opening during flight because the locking mechanism didn't do its job. Although 9 died, amazingly the pilot managed to land the aircraft.

These are only the severe cases of failure - if you take a look around there are plenty of niggles and persistent issues that affect aircraft and their engines. At the end of the day, they are machines and just like a car, sometimes they don't work properly or are put in untenable scenarios.

With all that said, if a car was built to aircraft standards it'd be incredibly expensive, certification of parts alone costs a small fortune, even if they are simple - fixing screws and the like for example.


valiant

10,203 posts

160 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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You’d be forced to wait by your car for two hours before being allowed to drive it.

TheDrBrian

5,444 posts

222 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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durbster said:
My guess:
- Autonomous cars would now be prevalent
Autopilot doesn't quite work how you think it does.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

108 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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You would be forced to walk past rows of perfume and designer sunglasses before you were allowed to get in the car.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,346 posts

150 months

Sunday 21st July 2019
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Countdown said:
Condi said:
Pica-Pica said:
The car industry and airplane industry are very, very similar in terms of FMEAs.
They are?

Why were so many Vauxhalls setting themselves on fire the other year? Ford Pinto's had a appalling safety record which Ford refused to recognise, let alone fix. There are numerous models with known failure points; some are fixed under warranty, many are not.

Maybe internally the failure models are similar, but publicly do the car industry do anywhere near as much to look after their products and admit problems?
They’re different because the consequences if anything goes wrong are massively different.
True, but in the overall scheme of things, the number of people dying on UK roads is the equivalent to a plane crash a month. If there were a plane crash a month, in the UK, the whole industry would collapse. No one would fly.

(by plane crash I mean an all lives lost jet or similar. I know there are minor plane crashes on a regular basis, with no loss of life).