RE: Megane Trophy-R = Β£72k

RE: Megane Trophy-R = Β£72k

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nickfrog

10,589 posts

165 months

Tuesday 17th September
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cossers said:
I’d still have that lovely gt4 every day of the week esp with that lovely flat 6 again.
Can you get a new GT4 for £50k with a track use friendly warranty?

havoc

24,650 posts

183 months

Tuesday 17th September
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I know part of the answer is going to be 'crumple zones' / NCAP.

But...I really don't see why 1,300kg for something with only 2 seats and an I-4 is anything to be proud of!



The (normal) Megane Trophy is a 5-door C-segment hot hatch, fwd with a turbo'd I-4 motor delivering 276bhp and 0-60 in sub-6s. 5 seats and just under 400 litres of boot space - practical but not huge. Yet it comes in at +/- 1,420kg as standard.

Wind back 10 years and Honda Japan were selling a pretty-comparable car - a 4-door C/D-segment hot small-saloon, with an I-4 motor driving the front wheels putting out 230bhp (naturally aspirated) and 0-60 of under 6.5s. So slightly down on performance but pretty much on-the-money for it's time, and nothing a small blower wouldn't fix handsomely. Oh, and it had 4 genuinely adult seats and a larger (c.450 litres) boot. And it weighed 1,270kg. As standard. Despite being 170mm longer / 100mm narrower. And cost £23k imported at the time. (inflation-adjusted £27.5k now, so call it sub-£35k after allowing for exchange rates to screw us over)

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/spotted/honda-civ...


...so how the fk have Renault, previously renowned for lightweight hatches, managed to :-
(a) create something as lardy as a VW, and
(b) dared make such a fuss about stripping it back and fitting carbon goodies so it's still heavier than a stock FD2 Civic Type R which has its rear seats intact and doesn't have carbon anything?!?



Don't get me wrong - I love that they've gone and done it again. I just think they've turned it into a marketing exercise more than something they were serious about from the start.

SidewaysSi

6,066 posts

182 months

Tuesday 17th September
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cossers said:
egor110 said:
HTP99 said:
slowcars1 said:
cossers said:
Price new meg 72k gt4 75k

Price in 3 years meg 25k gt4 80k

Unless you need 4 doors why would you even consider this as an option at this price......just madness.
What makes you think the Megane will depreciate to 25K considering only 2 will make it to the U.K?
Because it's a Renault and French so is bound to depreciate heavily, just look at the Clio V6 and R26R.......... errr maybe not.

Love the ignorance!
People are just pissed that a chav as fk renault is able to be that good wink
Pissed, I couldn’t give a flying fk what it’s worth or how it goes round a race track, its was just an off the cuff comment, lol, it’s just looks ok and to be honest that’s how i choose my car, if it looks great happy days, the Porsche is a stunner, It too is fast around a track but as said, I could care less, that r26r might be a fantastic drive, it would need to have something going for it as fking brutal looking.
Can you rewrite in English please?

egor110

12,036 posts

151 months

Tuesday 17th September
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Same reason as every other company , the regs they have to follow .

Look at the clio 172 cup from the 2000's , no abs , thinner glass , lighter seats all to get the weight down and improve the performance without doing any more to the engine .

Can you imagine a company now releasing a car with no abs , we're in a different era .

cossers

1,776 posts

88 months

Tuesday 17th September
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havoc said:
I know part of the answer is going to be 'crumple zones' / NCAP.

But...I really don't see why 1,300kg for something with only 2 seats and an I-4 is anything to be proud of!



The (normal) Megane Trophy is a 5-door C-segment hot hatch, fwd with a turbo'd I-4 motor delivering 276bhp and 0-60 in sub-6s. 5 seats and just under 400 litres of boot space - practical but not huge. Yet it comes in at +/- 1,420kg as standard.

Wind back 10 years and Honda Japan were selling a pretty-comparable car - a 4-door C/D-segment hot small-saloon, with an I-4 motor driving the front wheels putting out 230bhp (naturally aspirated) and 0-60 of under 6.5s. So slightly down on performance but pretty much on-the-money for it's time, and nothing a small blower wouldn't fix handsomely. Oh, and it had 4 genuinely adult seats and a larger (c.450 litres) boot. And it weighed 1,270kg. As standard. Despite being 170mm longer / 100mm narrower. And cost £23k imported at the time. (inflation-adjusted £27.5k now, so call it sub-£35k after allowing for exchange rates to screw us over)

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/spotted/honda-civ...


...so how the fk have Renault, previously renowned for lightweight hatches, managed to :-
(a) create something as lardy as a VW, and
(b) dared make such a fuss about stripping it back and fitting carbon goodies so it's still heavier than a stock FD2 Civic Type R which has its rear seats intact and doesn't have carbon anything?!?



Don't get me wrong - I love that they've gone and done it again. I just think they've turned it into a marketing exercise more than something they were serious about from the start.
A bargain and all for only 72k but the best bit is that it’s really fast around the nurburgring!

Edited by cossers on Tuesday 17th September 17:04

MyV10goesWhaaa

301 posts

41 months

Tuesday 17th September
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cossers said:
havoc said:
I know part of the answer is going to be 'crumple zones' / NCAP.

But...I really don't see why 1,300kg for something with only 2 seats and an I-4 is anything to be proud of!



The (normal) Megane Trophy is a 5-door C-segment hot hatch, fwd with a turbo'd I-4 motor delivering 276bhp and 0-60 in sub-6s. 5 seats and just under 400 litres of boot space - practical but not huge. Yet it comes in at +/- 1,420kg as standard.

Wind back 10 years and Honda Japan were selling a pretty-comparable car - a 4-door C/D-segment hot small-saloon, with an I-4 motor driving the front wheels putting out 230bhp (naturally aspirated) and 0-60 of under 6.5s. So slightly down on performance but pretty much on-the-money for it's time, and nothing a small blower wouldn't fix handsomely. Oh, and it had 4 genuinely adult seats and a larger (c.450 litres) boot. And it weighed 1,270kg. As standard. Despite being 170mm longer / 100mm narrower. And cost £23k imported at the time. (inflation-adjusted £27.5k now, so call it sub-£35k after allowing for exchange rates to screw us over)

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/spotted/honda-civ...


...so how the fk have Renault, previously renowned for lightweight hatches, managed to :-
(a) create something as lardy as a VW, and
(b) dared make such a fuss about stripping it back and fitting carbon goodies so it's still heavier than a stock FD2 Civic Type R which has its rear seats intact and doesn't have carbon anything?!?



Don't get me wrong - I love that they've gone and done it again. I just think they've turned it into a marketing exercise more than something they were serious about from the start.
A bargain and all for only 72k but the best bit is that it’s really fast around the nurburgring!

Edited by cossers on Tuesday 17th September 17:04
biglaugh

I still like it but.... laugh

nickfrog

10,589 posts

165 months

Tuesday 17th September
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havoc said:
The (normal) Megane Trophy is a 5-door C-segment hot hatch, fwd with a turbo'd I-4 motor delivering 276bhp and 0-60 in sub-6s. 5 seats and just under 400 litres of boot space - practical but not huge. Yet it comes in at +/- 1,420kg as standard.
(...)
...so how the fk have Renault, previously renowned for lightweight hatches.
The small difference in weight between the Mk3 and Mk4 is basically the equivalent to the rear wheel steer system despite the 5 doors, a bigger car and more safety stuff.

Now you'll struggle to find many who argue the legendary status of the Mk3 as a brilliant trackable daily, even on PH.

But I agree it would be great if it was 1250lgs.


NelsonM3

1,287 posts

119 months

Tuesday 17th September
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I do admire Renault for doing stuff like this. If it was VW they would just tick a few options boxes and throw in a couple of decals.

Baldchap

1,746 posts

40 months

Tuesday 17th September
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NelsonM3 said:
I do admire Renault for doing stuff like this. If it was VW they would just tick a few options boxes and throw in a couple of decals.
If it was absolutely identical but half the price and with a VW badge it'd be universally panned by all on PH as terrible, dull and overpriced, regardless of whether anyone had ever driven it or even seen one.

Equilibrium

2,174 posts

46 months

Tuesday 17th September
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Baldchap said:
NelsonM3 said:
I do admire Renault for doing stuff like this. If it was VW they would just tick a few options boxes and throw in a couple of decals.
If it was absolutely identical but half the price and with a VW badge it'd be universally panned by all on PH as terrible, dull and overpriced, regardless of whether anyone had ever driven it or even seen one.
Well they do have form for that sort of thing. VW that is. Oh, and I suppose PHers too..

LaurasOtherHalf

15,897 posts

144 months

Wednesday 18th September
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A quick google tells me the curb weight of the trophy r is 1407kg and a civic type r is1380kg.

All that effort and lack of equipment and it’s heavier than a fully loaded civic?

Butter Face

19,519 posts

108 months

Wednesday 18th September
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
A quick google tells me the curb weight of the trophy r is 1407kg and a civic type r is1380kg.

All that effort and lack of equipment and it’s heavier than a fully loaded civic?
R26.R and Trophy R weighed here.

https://youtu.be/k4wmG59E1y0&t=6m0s





Edited by Butter Face on Wednesday 18th September 06:20

Elatino1

495 posts

9 months

Wednesday 18th September
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
A quick google tells me the curb weight of the trophy r is 1407kg and a civic type r is1380kg.

All that effort and lack of equipment and it’s heavier than a fully loaded civic?
That is incorrect info.

moonigan

1,438 posts

189 months

Wednesday 18th September
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
A quick google tells me the curb weight of the trophy r is 1407kg and a civic type r is1380kg.

All that effort and lack of equipment and it’s heavier than a fully loaded civic?
Standard Trophy is 1407kg not the R. Subtract somewhere between 100-130KG and you'll get the correct figure.

LaurasOtherHalf

15,897 posts

144 months

Wednesday 18th September
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Gotcha :thumbsup: I did think it was massively over what I expected.

Miserablegit

920 posts

57 months

Wednesday 18th September
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A four-door Megane is still lighter than a GT4....

Anyway this is one of the reasons a five-door shell is used: The optional carbon wheels strap into the back - useful if you park in a dodgy area smile.



Dave Hedgehog

11,842 posts

152 months

Wednesday 18th September
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Miserablegit said:
A four-door Megane is still lighter than a GT4....

Anyway this is one of the reasons a five-door shell is used: The optional carbon wheels strap into the back - useful if you park in a dodgy area smile.


i would pay 70k just for that lol

DanielSan

14,574 posts

115 months

Wednesday 18th September
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Butter Face said:
R26.R and Trophy R weighed here.

https://youtu.be/k4wmG59E1y0&t=6m0s





Edited by Butter Face on Wednesday 18th September 06:20
2 things I'm shocked with in Harry's vid, it stall has standard brakes on the rear, and his much he doesn't like the carbon brakes on this top spec car anyway.

nickfrog

10,589 posts

165 months

Wednesday 18th September
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DanielSan said:
2 things I'm shocked with in Harry's vid, it stall has standard brakes on the rear, and his much he doesn't like the carbon brakes on this top spec car anyway.
I think the existing small calipers and discs will cope as it's a lighter car particularly at the rear. And it has more lateral grip. It probably needs more aggressive pads but that's to be expected.

egor110

12,036 posts

151 months

Wednesday 18th September
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nickfrog said:
DanielSan said:
2 things I'm shocked with in Harry's vid, it stall has standard brakes on the rear, and his much he doesn't like the carbon brakes on this top spec car anyway.
I think the existing small calipers and discs will cope as it's a lighter car particularly at the rear. And it has more lateral grip. It probably needs more aggressive pads but that's to be expected.
For day to day use don’t carbon pads take to long to warm up and be useful?