RE: Ford details new 7.3-litre (!) V8 truck engine

[Hackney]

Any news on a 'proper' engine for the Ranger Raptor?

[tvrolet]

Swalsey said:

I didn’t think people would read what I read very carefully - that’s not what I’m referring to. I’ve no doubt that some people justify them but I stand by my point - ‘when a decent car will do’ means I’m addressing needless excess, like commuting, shopping and towing caravans the size of a bungalow. What I said about any thirsty motor means people who have no conscience about rolling around doing 25mpg / less on mundane journeys - it’s needless excess.

25mpg? Luxury! I’m lucky if I can squeeze 18mpg on a motorway on cruise. Anyway - off to Tesco, and no doubt I’ll see single figures mpg, but hey it’s fun

Don’t need no steenkin’ 7 litres though. 6.2 and a supercharger does the trick

I really do like the American attitude to motors/trucks. What power do we want/need? Now what’s the best most reliable way to get it? None of this trying to squeeze every last horsepower out of a small capacity. My last Jeep (5.7) was ragged relentlessly and did a fair bit of towing and needed nothing more than oil changes and was still rock solid at 110,000 miles.

[jjwilde]

untakenname said:

At under 60hp per litre it seems like a retrograde step to take considering Ford are making a big deal out of their electric F150 being able to pull million pound freight trains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXFHgoon7lg

They tend to make them quite weak to last a long time. I had the old GMC 7.7 and it was so lazy it just felt like it was never being stressed at all. Only got 15mpg mind.

[loveice]

tvrolet said:

I really do like the American attitude to motors/trucks. What power do we want/need? Now what’s the best most reliable way to get it? None of this trying to squeeze every last horsepower out of a small capacity. My last Jeep (5.7) was ragged relentlessly and did a fair bit of towing and needed nothing more than oil changes and was still rock solid at 110,000 miles.

Totally agree. But I think they are "squeezing" as well. It's just they are squeezing every little "reliability" out of what customer can afford, which I do think is correct when we talking about those HD pickup trucks.

[Swalsey]

300bhp/ton said:

You sound rather clueless. Lift up the rock you are under and have a look about will ya!!

I can assure you that I'm not clueless or under a rock but I'll not take the comments too seriously

[Pothole]

soad said:

Elatino1 said:

So, will it fit in a Fiesta?

Not a chance.

If you put the rear seats down, I reckon it could...

[SturdyHSV]

Swalsey said:

aeropilot said:

Swalsey said:

Exactly. Gotta love Americans? No. Any person anywhere daily driving massive trucks or any thirsty motor when a decent car would do needs to have a word with themselves IMO.

I guess you've not spent much time in the USA then to understand that there really isn't much 'decent car' option (actually none) that would stand a chance of coping what most Americans subject their pick-ups to.

I didn’t think people would read what I read very carefully - that’s not what I’m referring to. I’ve no doubt that some people justify them but I stand by my point - ‘when a decent car will do’ means I’m addressing needless excess, like commuting, shopping and towing caravans the size of a bungalow. What I said about any thirsty motor means people who have no conscience about rolling around doing 25mpg / less on mundane journeys - it’s needless excess.

For the other replies, yes I’m sure I can take an interest on Pistonheads - I can enjoy my relatively frugal sports car for a few thousand miles a year and my very frugal daily driver without bragging about how many gallons per mile I did. Pistonheads also covers electric cars and hot hatches - are you sure it is for you if you like 7.3 V8s? ??

I know that some people don’t care and roll around with V8 daily drivers but I don’t like extra waste for the sake of it so I’ll pipe up when I feel like it ta ??

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

If you could let me know what words to have with myself that would be brilliant as I'm at a bit of a loss.

I shall be taking it on a roughly 3,000 mile loop around Europe in a week or so so if you could make them quite long words, that would be really good

Not too long though, I am quite a lot of a moron

[ducnick]

Lots of talk on m6g about it physically fitting in a mustang. Would be interesting to have a new big block mustang with this engine for sure

[unsprung]

SturdyHSV said:

I shall be taking it on a roughly 3,000 mile loop around Europe in a week or so

oh, that sounds like an epic holiday, particularly with that motor

obviously you'll want to focus your attention on all the food, drink, and shenanigans

but if you manage to take some especially fun photos, I imagine that the mob here on PH are likely to enjoy them

[Mr E]

I was about to pop to the shops in the electric.
I’m now going to take the small engined estate car instead.

[Swalsey]

You know, I'd never normally use the forums but being in a waiting room lured me in it and now look. I'll reply as it's polite to, but forgive me if I don't come back as this has taken some time and I'm not keen on spending more, or I may not be able to take any more criticism

sidesauce said:

And naturally, this being a forum, others can pipe up in response to what you've said too...

300bhp/ton said:

What a load of tosh!!!!

Maybe you should not post on the internet as you are wasting electricity and using components that could have been saved for something else instead of excess for you to burn time on.

Not sure what you think is a load of tosh, but I can post on the internet for any purpose efficiently or I can use a massively over-spec'ed computer whilst sitting in an room with all the lights and heating on? I didn't say big engines should be banned.

Triumph Man said:

You won't like me who uses a BMW that does 28 mpg as my daily then...

I wouldn't dislike you either - I'm just testing the idea that a forum is a place to discuss different opinions

aeropilot said:

Like I said, you've clearly not spent much time (if any in the USA) and clearly don't understand the market and needs of that market, so making comments like that just makes you look a knob.

There's more to the world than the small cozy part of the UK that you inhabit.

And like I said, the NEEDS of the market are not what I was referring to. You might perceive me as a knob but you have zero knowledge of my experience in the world or how cozy I am. If you were to interpret my comment as I intended you might not think I sound like a knob - even if we have different opinions.

Krikkit said:

Not to mention that a pickup with an engine like this which lasts for 500,000 miles of abuse is going to be more environmentally friendly when considered end-to-end than building a whole new one when a fancy direct-injected twin turbo diesel lunches itself at 250,000 miles.

Perhaps, but perhaps not - engineering explained did a video related to the 'payback time' of a more environmentally friendly vehicle, as I understand it the manufacturing emissions are the minor percentage of whole life cycle emissions for vehicles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RhtiPefVzM

SturdyHSV said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

If you could let me know what words to have with myself that would be brilliant as I'm at a bit of a loss.

I shall be taking it on a roughly 3,000 mile loop around Europe in a week or so so if you could make them quite long words, that would be really good

Not too long though, I am quite a lot of a moron

Some humour at last! Since you're asking, and depending on whether you do this every day or not, some words about reducing climate change, perhaps from the UN (not from Trump please). I hope you enjoy your trip and make use of tunnels with the window down, I'd enjoy being in the tunnel and hearing it

[AdeTuono]

I've always been a big fan of big-block powered pick-ups, having had a 7.3 Powerstroke, a 6.0 Powerstroke (the less said the better), a 7.3 P/S-powered bus, and now, only this week I took delivery of an E350 with another 7.3 block, this time an IDI variant. So to see this announcement fills me with the joy of knowing that I shall probably have something north of 7.0 litres until my dying day. God Bless Amuricuh!

[RoverP6B]

Huge displacement pushrod unit - is this related in any way to the old FE side-oiler from the 1960s? That thing went up to 460ci.

I can imagine this being quite a hit with the hot-rodding crowd, if Ford make if available as a crate motor.

It's just a shame they cancelled the DOHC 7-litre they were working on a couple of years ago - a sort of scaled-up Coyote.

[dvs_dave]

Here’s an interesting interview with Ford engineers about how and why this engine came about.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technolo...

It’s a clean sheet design, and for the intended usage profile, heavy duty trucks in a commercial environment, it offers superior fuel economy, lower purchase and operating costs, and significantly greater durability over higher stressed downsized boosted units.

It’s important to note that this engine isn’t going to be offered in the F-150 range, only the F-250 Heavy Duty range and up which are the equivalent of a small lorry/large van in the Euro market.

The more popular and consequently familiar F-150 range is the smaller “civilian” light duty offering which spends the majority of its time bimbling around town empty, which is where a downsized boosted engine yields better economy. But as soon as you start to work them hard for extended periods, fuel economy plummets, and durability takes a big hit too.

Edited by dvs_dave on Friday 2nd August 20:01

[A1VDY]

Swalsey said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Rest of the world - human action is destroying the planet, what can we do
Merica - bigger engines !

Exactly. Gotta love Americans? No. Any person anywhere daily driving massive trucks or any thirsty motor when a decent car would do needs to have a word with themselves IMO.

^
This
Save the planet and turn to electric?
Nah.....lets build more ridiculous sized IC engines and destroy it instead.
No one needs this, its purely aimed at goofy nerdy weaklings with a small cock and weedy arms, the type who'll have an arm hanging out the window with no tri's or bi's and forearms like match sticks looking in vain to impress others. Those who do this don't realise it has the opposite effect ie most will be thinking 'what a w5nker'...
It'll sell like hot cakes..

[normalbloke]

A1VDY said:

Swalsey said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Rest of the world - human action is destroying the planet, what can we do
Merica - bigger engines !

Exactly. Gotta love Americans? No. Any person anywhere daily driving massive trucks or any thirsty motor when a decent car would do needs to have a word with themselves IMO.

^
This
Save the planet and turn to electric?
Nah.....lets build more ridiculous sized IC engines and destroy it instead.
No one needs this, its purely aimed at goofy nerdy weaklings with a small cock and weedy arms, the type who'll have an arm hanging out the window with no tri's or bi's and forearms like match sticks looking in vain to impress others. Those who do this don't realise it has the opposite effect ie most will be thinking 'what a w5nker'...
It'll sell like hot cakes..

I just ran that through Babelfish and it returned a link to Mumsnet.

[Escort Si-130]

When the tuners get hold of this they should be putting some crazy power outputs.

[tr7v8]

I work for a major US company based in Texas. There will be very few trucks in the car park, mostly it is Kia's, Hyundai etc. They have also just found the Germans in a big way so the younger guys are driving M3, and the equivalent Audi. The older family guys are driving 5 & 7 series, a lot desesals also Audi. They pickups are for the weekend, towing the RV or boat. None of these could you tow with any form of car. Bigger than the F250 it is contractors & builders. Again frequently towing monster plant trailers

[unsprung]

dvs_dave said:

Here’s an interesting interview with Ford engineers about how and why this engine came about.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technolo...

It’s a clean sheet design, and for the intended usage profile, heavy duty trucks in a commercial environment, it offers superior fuel economy, lower purchase and operating costs, and significantly greater durability over higher stressed downsized boosted units.

It’s important to note that this engine isn’t going to be offered in the F-150 range, only the F-250 Heavy Duty range and up which are the equivalent of a small lorry/large van in the Euro market.

The more popular and consequently familiar F-150 range is the smaller “civilian” light duty offering which spends the majority of its time bimbling around town empty, which is where a downsized boosted engine yields better economy. But as soon as you start to work them hard for extended periods, fuel economy plummets, and durability takes a big hit too.

A very useful link indeed. Thanks for that.

The article reads a bit like a technical workshop. All very interesting: the "hunt" for the most appropriate spec's for commercial vehicles with constant heavy loads and low speeds (at least, initially, when overcoming inertia). Also need to keep the fleet manager happy vis a vis costs.

I reckon that's one of the most fun parts of engineering, at least for my own maths-challenged mind: Defining the use case and eliminating and combining attributes, almost in a Darwinian way, to arrive at just the right machine.

[Cold]

We'll eventually get this engine in the UK. But, like many things that travel across the Atlantic, some of the details will be changed and it'll end up being a 4cyl, 2ltr TDi unit.