RE: Novitec Tesla Model 3 revealed

RE: Novitec Tesla Model 3 revealed

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Plate spinner

17,697 posts

200 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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RacerMike said:
MustardCutter said:
The article suggests that with electric cars there won't be any drive train tuning / modding to be had. I think it's fair to say that not all motors and batteries are born equal and are ripe for swapping. There are a plethora of options (motors, gearing, batteries etc.) for RC cars, so I don't immediately see why there wouldn't be similar potential for full size cars, there just needs to be a big enough market for it that should come in time once/if EV adoption becomes the mainstream.
Fundamentally, there are a plethora of options, but the issue is that they'd need integrating at a system level to work. The whole battery, inverter and motor package is incredibly tightly integrated. They all communicate very detailed information to enable the system to decide how many amps can be pulled from the battery, how many can be converted by the inverter and how many can be accepted by the motor. Change any one of those things, and you'll have a car that simply doesn't drive.

The challenge for EV tuning is hacking the entire network architecture of the car, integrating that into a new controller, and then re-calibrating the Battery Control Module, Inverters and Motors to all work together. It's a massive task. It'd be like trying to convert a petrol engine into a diesel one without any of the original designs, using only the components you have in the vehicle.
But the after market is incredibly resourceful.

Over time there will be enough OEM engineers floating around with the knowledge to either start up tuning companies or be available for consulting. It’ll happen.

Evilex

512 posts

104 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Directional wheels? Can't remember those being on a car since the mk2 Supra...

runnerbean 14

274 posts

134 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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I'll stick with my factory Long Range Twin Motor Model 3, thanks. No discernible improvement here and frankly the car doesn't need it.

Having said that, I did order it with the optional 19" wheels which are a better compromise than either the 18" or 20" ones (but 19" wheels had gone from the website, last time I looked).

Byker28i

59,804 posts

217 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Evilex said:
Directional wheels? Can't remember those being on a car since the mk2 Supra...
why do I think that should be said in an Obi-Was Kenobi voice

Jon_S_Rally

3,406 posts

88 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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The usual anti-modified car tripe I see. If people want to make their car look a bit different then good luck to them. You don't have to do it.

SturdyHSV said:
Somehow that interior just looks incredibly cheap. I'm sure it's very fancy or whatever, but it looks like something from the set of Equilibrium
It looks cheap because it is cheap. I sat in one earlier this year and the material quality makes the Corsa hire car I've had this week look like a high quality product.

sorrel said:
REALLY needs a grille! Car has no character from the front. In the US they can buy fake grilles which make the car look a lot better.

http://www.tesla-grilles.com/wp-content/uploads/20...
Agreed. They remind me of that scene from the original Matrix movie, when Keanu Reeves has his mouth sealed up. It just looks odd.

CrippsCorner

2,804 posts

181 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Personally I think this kit and wheels setup from Vorsteiner is a game changer... looks brilliant:




Dave Hedgehog

14,550 posts

204 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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CrippsCorner said:
Personally I think this kit and wheels setup from Vorsteiner is a game changer... looks brilliant:



Brilliant ... more debt i am going to be in lol

"Pricing is $A2,420 for the front spoiler, $A4,360 for the Track Edition rear diffuser, $A3,065 for the standard rear diffuser, $A3,230 for the side skirts and $A1,790 for the spoiler."


RoverP6B

4,338 posts

128 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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How long before someone offers an option to rip dying batteries out of Teslas, put in a new steel floor and power it with a Yank crate V8?

kambites

67,561 posts

221 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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RoverP6B said:
How long before someone offers an option to rip dying batteries out of Teslas, put in a new steel floor and power it with a Yank crate V8?
You'd probably have to rip the rear seats out as well; I don't think you could realistically mount an engine in the front.

Baldchap

7,634 posts

92 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Literally just finished reading a suggested article about Model 3s needing paint at under 12 months old and having problems like unpainted (therefore rusting) hinges etc. Tesla refusing to help owners.

When we had our X the doors rubbed all the paint off in one spot and Tesla fitted essentially a thick sticker where the rub still was.

So at least bodywork mods won't affect warranty in any notable way. smile

Clivey

5,110 posts

204 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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However much tat they fire at it, they can’t change the MPV roofline / glasshouse. The proportions of the Model 3 are awful.

RacerMike

4,205 posts

211 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Plate spinner said:
RacerMike said:
MustardCutter said:
The article suggests that with electric cars there won't be any drive train tuning / modding to be had. I think it's fair to say that not all motors and batteries are born equal and are ripe for swapping. There are a plethora of options (motors, gearing, batteries etc.) for RC cars, so I don't immediately see why there wouldn't be similar potential for full size cars, there just needs to be a big enough market for it that should come in time once/if EV adoption becomes the mainstream.
Fundamentally, there are a plethora of options, but the issue is that they'd need integrating at a system level to work. The whole battery, inverter and motor package is incredibly tightly integrated. They all communicate very detailed information to enable the system to decide how many amps can be pulled from the battery, how many can be converted by the inverter and how many can be accepted by the motor. Change any one of those things, and you'll have a car that simply doesn't drive.

The challenge for EV tuning is hacking the entire network architecture of the car, integrating that into a new controller, and then re-calibrating the Battery Control Module, Inverters and Motors to all work together. It's a massive task. It'd be like trying to convert a petrol engine into a diesel one without any of the original designs, using only the components you have in the vehicle.
But the after market is incredibly resourceful.

Over time there will be enough OEM engineers floating around with the knowledge to either start up tuning companies or be available for consulting. It’ll happen.
Over time, probably, but pushing more out of standard hardware is likely to be almost impossible. Fitting new motors is vaguely possible, but I suspect cost will be prohibitive for at least the medium term. If you upped the motor power, it's more than likely that the battery wouldn't be able to supply any more power (certainly the case in a Tesla as they're limited by battery power rather than motor power), so you wouldn't gain anything.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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scottygib553 said:
I really don't like that paint finish
Like particular drinks, it's an acquired taste, I reckon. The paint has a finish that is vaguely reminiscent of dirt.

Numerous examples of the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG, if I remember correctly, seem to be painted like this. And in horrid, or at least very peculiar, colours as well.

Like a green that resembles a dark, dirty Coke bottle. Or a sort of yellow-brown that looks of raw honey. Very much "look at me" -- but for being odd (and not necessarily for being shouty).

swisstoni

16,997 posts

279 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Anonymous.
Nothing you can do with that design.

unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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swisstoni said:
Anonymous.
Nothing you can do with that design.
Au contraire. Laminar-flow stripes, Man! wink




scottydoesntknow

860 posts

57 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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When are we going to get a review of the standard car PH?

Terminator X

15,077 posts

204 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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It's all a bit meh really. Sad times for "cars".

TX.

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

128 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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kambites said:
You'd probably have to rip the rear seats out as well; I don't think you could realistically mount an engine in the front.
The LS3 does fit in the Tesla's frunk, somebody did do it for a joke.

Amanitin

421 posts

137 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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RoverP6B said:
The LS3 does fit in the Tesla's frunk, somebody did do it for a joke.
i like that project. they can put a transaxle in the trunk. there is no driveshaft tunnel but they can try transfer torque over wifi.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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CrippsCorner said:
Personally I think this kit and wheels setup from Vorsteiner is a game changer... looks brilliant:



Well ‘brilliant’ is a statement smile

I think it looks like a badly chav’d up Ford Focus.