RE: 400hp BMW M140e hybrid due next year
Discussion
SOL111 said:
RobM77 said:
Sorry, I've not tried either of those. I know what you mean about short test drives, and you're also subject to the type of roads you drive the car on, and also what the salesman's like. Ideally I'd like an hour on my own in a car to make my mind up. For a car enthusiast, buying a car is a major decision! I did manage to get a day with a new F30 320d recently, by requesting it as a courtesy car during a service; and that was very revealing and informative. I wrote a full review, but haven't posted it for fear of the backlash! I wasn't kind to it!
Interesting. The new 320d is supposed to be quite good but take all YouTube reviews with a pinch of salt.Please do post. Negative reviews are valuable if they're backed up with rationale. Sadly we're overrun with gushing reviews continuously. To the point where it's impossible to know what's real.
The M2 was a bit like that. It was the best thing since sliced bread but suddenly had lots of flaws when the M2C came out.
I've had so much hassle on here for criticising certain cars that I really don't want to post the review - I can e-mail it to you if you message me. In summary, I felt that most aspects of the F30 were improved over the outgoing E90 model, even including my own little obscure niggles after doing 150k miles in my two E90s, but two big negatives dominated the car for me: 1) there was significantly more road noise coming into the cabin. My two E90s had 16s and this car had 17s, but I don't think that could fully explain it; I think they've probably just scrimped on the noise deadening. 2) The ride and handling of the SE suspension, once above 30-40mph and on bumpy A and B roads, were both absolutely shocking. I got car sick after a 50 minute drive cross country. In addition to those two things, I think quality has taken a bit of a slip, but that's quite subtle if I'm honest.
The net result of all of this was that instead of changing my E90 for an F30 as expected I've bought an F10! I guess BMW made a profit out of the F30 after all
JD said:
J4CKO said:
Absolutely, its a great "something", but not a hot hatch, its more sort of a more pointy mini barge/hatchback GT than traditional hot hatch, especially with an auto box.
A manual with the mods I mentioned would be more hot hatch I expect, and even then its RWD which isnt very hot hatchy, as standard it doesnt really fit easily in the Hot Hatch box.
Yep; with the next gen of hatches coming out a rwd 140 is just going to look slow and thirsty.A manual with the mods I mentioned would be more hot hatch I expect, and even then its RWD which isnt very hot hatchy, as standard it doesnt really fit easily in the Hot Hatch box.
Current one is great all rounder (if you ignore wet days, or cold days, or snow days ) that can just about keep up with the completion by having lots of power, but that won’t work next time.
I think we are getting to a position now where we are perhaps fixating less on performance figures, or at least should be as so many more things make a car enjoyable, a Tesla will do as its party piece 0-60 in two and a bit seconds, but would you choose it to fling down a country lane on a sunny day ?
We have had years and years of increasing power outputs and performance metrics tumbling, as long as a car has some shove it shouldn't really matter, trouble is we are male, a bit geeky and love all that numbers stuff as a way to compare, but its only part of the picture.
Not sure these are the answer, but dont think they need to keep adding more and more power, when people are describing the new Supra with 360 bhp or so as pathetic/anaemic, something has gone a bit wrong. Same with motorbikes, can get 200 odd bhp ones, 2000 bhp lotus coming apparently but its all b
ks isnt it ? for driving on the road and having fun, its just not needed, counterproductive even.I preferred the Hyundai I30N, my son has a Fiesta ST and that is fantastic fun, would get one if I could live with the seats, ride etc.
MX5 incoming here, keep the BMW as its very good at daily duties but want something a bit more interactive,
RobM77 said:
Yes, that always annoys me that - a car is praised, but as soon as the sequel comes out all the shortcomings are listed!
I've had so much hassle on here for criticising certain cars that I really don't want to post the review - I can e-mail it to you if you message me. In summary, I felt that most aspects of the F30 were improved over the outgoing E90 model, even including my own little obscure niggles after doing 150k miles in my two E90s, but two big negatives dominated the car for me: 1) there was significantly more road noise coming into the cabin. My two E90s had 16s and this car had 17s, but I don't think that could fully explain it; I think they've probably just scrimped on the noise deadening. 2) The ride and handling of the SE suspension, once above 30-40mph and on bumpy A and B roads, were both absolutely shocking. I got car sick after a 50 minute drive cross country. In addition to those two things, I think quality has taken a bit of a slip, but that's quite subtle if I'm honest.
The net result of all of this was that instead of changing my E90 for an F30 as expected I've bought an F10! I guess BMW made a profit out of the F30 after all
Lol, to be honest I'm getting to the end with all the tech. It's nice but I'm inclined to buy an outgoing model to escape the led dials and other gubbins as it's so much simpler.I've had so much hassle on here for criticising certain cars that I really don't want to post the review - I can e-mail it to you if you message me. In summary, I felt that most aspects of the F30 were improved over the outgoing E90 model, even including my own little obscure niggles after doing 150k miles in my two E90s, but two big negatives dominated the car for me: 1) there was significantly more road noise coming into the cabin. My two E90s had 16s and this car had 17s, but I don't think that could fully explain it; I think they've probably just scrimped on the noise deadening. 2) The ride and handling of the SE suspension, once above 30-40mph and on bumpy A and B roads, were both absolutely shocking. I got car sick after a 50 minute drive cross country. In addition to those two things, I think quality has taken a bit of a slip, but that's quite subtle if I'm honest.
The net result of all of this was that instead of changing my E90 for an F30 as expected I've bought an F10! I guess BMW made a profit out of the F30 after all
I've not picked up on the abuse but that's ridiculous on a car forum. I'm a bit of a BMW fanboy but get that people have opposing views. Shame as I like reading reviews.
On the flip side I've read so many reviews of the Suzuki Jimny saying how bad it is on the road. I test drove one recently and was surprised at how good it was. Sure it was no SUV but it's a proper 4x4. I loved it.
Electric cars are the future and an old snarling engine seems a little old fashioned now
Once you go in something like a Tesla model S p100d you realise it’s where the world is going and in a few more years when PHEVs can genuinely do 70-100 miles on electric that’s when the petrol car will be gone for good
I never thought I’d say it but I’d welcome it now and would welcome self driving auto pods now too
Once you go in something like a Tesla model S p100d you realise it’s where the world is going and in a few more years when PHEVs can genuinely do 70-100 miles on electric that’s when the petrol car will be gone for good
I never thought I’d say it but I’d welcome it now and would welcome self driving auto pods now too
jonah35 said:
Electric cars are the future and an old snarling engine seems a little old fashioned now
Once you go in something like a Tesla model S p100d you realise it’s where the world is going and in a few more years when PHEVs can genuinely do 70-100 miles on electric that’s when the petrol car will be gone for good
I never thought I’d say it but I’d welcome it now and would welcome self driving auto pods now too
This is very interesting and sets out the mammoth challenges ahead in a mass move to BEV.Once you go in something like a Tesla model S p100d you realise it’s where the world is going and in a few more years when PHEVs can genuinely do 70-100 miles on electric that’s when the petrol car will be gone for good
I never thought I’d say it but I’d welcome it now and would welcome self driving auto pods now too
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/press-office/press-releases/...
Poppiecock said:
jonah35 said:
Electric cars are the future and an old snarling engine seems a little old fashioned now
Once you go in something like a Tesla model S p100d you realise it’s where the world is going and in a few more years when PHEVs can genuinely do 70-100 miles on electric that’s when the petrol car will be gone for good
I never thought I’d say it but I’d welcome it now and would welcome self driving auto pods now too
This is very interesting and sets out the mammoth challenges ahead in a mass move to BEV.Once you go in something like a Tesla model S p100d you realise it’s where the world is going and in a few more years when PHEVs can genuinely do 70-100 miles on electric that’s when the petrol car will be gone for good
I never thought I’d say it but I’d welcome it now and would welcome self driving auto pods now too
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/press-office/press-releases/...
Theres no doubt we'll have some resource shortages in the shift to EV, its going to be the single largest ramping up of raw materials for industry in our history.
ICE car sales will fall off a cliff , EVs wont ramp up that quickly ( 25million by 2028 is estimated) , autonomy and shared use will fill in the gap
ICE car sales will fall off a cliff , EVs wont ramp up that quickly ( 25million by 2028 is estimated) , autonomy and shared use will fill in the gap
RobDickinson said:
Theres no doubt we'll have some resource shortages in the shift to EV, its going to be the single largest ramping up of raw materials for industry in our history.
ICE car sales will fall off a cliff , EVs wont ramp up that quickly ( 25million by 2028 is estimated) , autonomy and shared use will fill in the gap
I dont agree. I think ICE sales will only drop off when there is a real shift to EV. I dont think we will see a massive drop then a gap. And I dont think autonomous and share use vehicles will suit anything other than a niche amount of inner city users.ICE car sales will fall off a cliff , EVs wont ramp up that quickly ( 25million by 2028 is estimated) , autonomy and shared use will fill in the gap
Deep Thought said:
I dont agree. I think ICE sales will only drop off when there is a real shift to EV. I dont think we will see a massive drop then a gap. And I dont think autonomous and share use vehicles will suit anything other than a niche amount of inner city users.
The big step is happening though, BMW expecting 25% of all 3 series sales to be the 330e (got one it's very good to be fair).As it stands with a minimum of one full charge per tankful it's more economical than the F30 330d we had before and when in Sports mode/box it's actually quicker - just don't expect to be having both scenarios at the same time lol
I'll find out over the next 4yrs/120k miles whether it's as reliable as the bulletproof F30 330d which only had a horn fail during that usage!
I'd be surprised if by the time the next gen 3 series comes around if they do an ICE engine that isn't hybrid as well.
jonah35 said:
Electric cars are the future and an old snarling engine seems a little old fashioned now
Once you go in something like a Tesla model S p100d you realise it’s where the world is going and in a few more years when PHEVs can genuinely do 70-100 miles on electric that’s when the petrol car will be gone for good
I never thought I’d say it but I’d welcome it now and would welcome self driving auto pods now too
I’ll take a V8 over the charmless tide of EV’s. The Taycan being the exception to the rule, even then the crushingly boring power delivery of all EV’s will mean they’re just effective transport, rather than an emotive drive. Once you go in something like a Tesla model S p100d you realise it’s where the world is going and in a few more years when PHEVs can genuinely do 70-100 miles on electric that’s when the petrol car will be gone for good
I never thought I’d say it but I’d welcome it now and would welcome self driving auto pods now too
yonex said:
I’ll take a V8 over the charmless tide of EV’s. The Taycan being the exception to the rule, even then the crushingly boring power delivery of all EV’s will mean they’re just effective transport, rather than an emotive drive.
I'm no EVangelist (copyrighting this lol) but there's a lot to be said for a Hybrid in the meantime, there's also something quite novel about bumbling around under electric power until the demand requires the engine.I think it will be game on when the next M3/RS4 or 6 come along with a battery pack as well
yonex said:
I’m going to get the Griff out come spring, put my GoPro on the back and challenge anyone to tell me that they don’t like the noise from this out of date ICE dinosaur.
It’s at least half the experience. For me anyway.
Tesla bunch will just tell you that they can't hear you from so far in front and miss the point completely lolIt’s at least half the experience. For me anyway.
RobDickinson said:
It only makes a noise if it starts..
Saïd like a typical pasty faced EV type. The thing is, it’s grown a bit, the little 5.0 is now a 5.2, and the Emerald, that’s an ecu, with coil packs, they make sparks, mean it starts and idles on the button hot or cold. But, it must be amazing looking at your Tesla app
IanJ9375 said:
Tesla bunch will just tell you that they can't hear you from so far in front and miss the point completely lol
Exactly. It’s an old girl but makes me smile. For proper Tesla baiting the Atom does the job. I’ve found over 80-90 most of them st themselves anyway. Probably a range thing IanJ9375 said:
Deep Thought said:
I dont agree. I think ICE sales will only drop off when there is a real shift to EV. I dont think we will see a massive drop then a gap. And I dont think autonomous and share use vehicles will suit anything other than a niche amount of inner city users.
The big step is happening though, BMW expecting 25% of all 3 series sales to be the 330e (got one it's very good to be fair).As it stands with a minimum of one full charge per tankful it's more economical than the F30 330d we had before and when in Sports mode/box it's actually quicker - just don't expect to be having both scenarios at the same time lol
I'll find out over the next 4yrs/120k miles whether it's as reliable as the bulletproof F30 330d which only had a horn fail during that usage!
I'd be surprised if by the time the next gen 3 series comes around if they do an ICE engine that isn't hybrid as well.
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