RE: BMW M6 (E63) | The Brave Pill

RE: BMW M6 (E63) | The Brave Pill

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RDMcG

19,093 posts

206 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Chestrockwell said:
Interesting to see nobody has mentioned the fact that the USA got the manual versions of the E60 M5 and E63 M6!

I wonder how much better they are seeing as everybody thinks the SMG is pants.

I bet that’s an absolute riot to drive, 5.0 V10 M5 with a manual box :O
Strangely the manual cars did not sell well, and the reviews of the transmission at the time were not glowing. I got used to the SMG and as long it was not is automatic mode it was possible to use the paddle shift to change gear smoothly.

R400TVR

542 posts

161 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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I've always told myself that when I come to money and/power, that I shall own a manual conversion M6.

jakesmith

9,461 posts

170 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Weekendrebuild said:
My m5 is great with lightened flywheel it’s a rocket for size. She’s only covered 30k. I’ve Rebuilt entire engine for not much more1 than you payed for actuators ! End of the day you pay to play there quiet easy to work on got a couple of spare engines in the garage currently. ones just been rebuilt by myself Was going in the e46 compact with one but decided on the s54 instead . Cars that don’t break down are boring.
If you can rebuild a bmw v10 then this is the car for you. I’m sure parts aren’t cheap but Labour is the killer on a lot of jobs. Kudos to you I wish I could do that type of work

4941cc

25,867 posts

205 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Chestrockwell said:
Interesting to see nobody has mentioned the fact that the USA got the manual versions of the E60 M5 and E63 M6!

I wonder how much better they are seeing as everybody thinks the SMG is pants.

I bet that’s an absolute riot to drive, 5.0 V10 M5 with a manual box :O
I've read a few reviews of each and they criticise the gearbox for having poorly matched ratios - the V10 engine and high rev concept was designed from the outset to only be offered with a 7 speed sequential, with ratios chosen appropriately.

Fitting the same baulky gearbox as the E39 M5 used and it's very different power curve and max rpm changed the character of the car substantially and not for the better. A lesson in sometimes not bowing to consumer pressure, because they're often wrong. That, or BMW M Division know what they're doing when designing clean sheet powertrains.

Never had a problem with SMG in either E46 or E6x iterations, just drive it as a manual, little lifts when upshifting, little blip when down and it smooths out. The lack of creep for manoeuvring and on car park ramps is a bit of a faff (no more so than in a manual), but you adapt soon enough.

Touring442

3,096 posts

208 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Weekendrebuild said:
Completely disagree as regards to value they have been steadily increasing. obviously low mileage well look after examples that is . You can always buy a st box of any marquee car cheap enough but you pay the full price in a round about way .
Who is buying them at these steadily increasing prices?

TheAngryDog

12,394 posts

208 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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4941cc said:
Chestrockwell said:
Interesting to see nobody has mentioned the fact that the USA got the manual versions of the E60 M5 and E63 M6!

I wonder how much better they are seeing as everybody thinks the SMG is pants.

I bet that’s an absolute riot to drive, 5.0 V10 M5 with a manual box :O
I've read a few reviews of each and they criticise the gearbox for having poorly matched ratios - the V10 engine and high rev concept was designed from the outset to only be offered with a 7 speed sequential, with ratios chosen appropriately.

Fitting the same baulky gearbox as the E39 M5 used and it's very different power curve and max rpm changed the character of the car substantially and not for the better. A lesson in sometimes not bowing to consumer pressure, because they're often wrong. That, or BMW M Division know what they're doing when designing clean sheet powertrains.

Never had a problem with SMG in either E46 or E6x iterations, just drive it as a manual, little lifts when upshifting, little blip when down and it smooths out. The lack of creep for manoeuvring and on car park ramps is a bit of a faff (no more so than in a manual), but you adapt soon enough.
I like SMG, don't have any issues with it. The only time it has caused me an issue is when I have done something stupid.
A manual box attached to the S85 goes against its ethos. A DCT conversion would be better.

pSyCoSiS

3,581 posts

204 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Had a drive (as a passenger) in one of these last year. It was a Silverstone Blue one for sale locally.

This one still had the original BMW warranty, which would have been transferred over to me. High spec, with extended leather to the dash, which made the otherwise cheap feeling interior feel a lot better.

Sounded lovely when it was on song through the country lanes, and was a lot smoother than I imagined it would be.

And even though it was quick, it just didn't feel quick, if that makes sense. Was waiting for my E39 M5 to sell, hence why I couldn't go through with the purchase. Now that felt a lot more raw and mechanical in comparison.

Even though it is rarer, I still prefer the E60 M5. Was a choice between this an the 63 AMG, but ended up with the AMG as wasn't brave enough for the V10's antics!

Definitely want to own and experience one in the future. Bad ones will be scrapped by then, and good ones will no doubt rocket in value.

Weekendrebuild

1,004 posts

62 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Touring442 said:
Who is buying them at these steadily increasing prices?
Probably people who can afford to run them / see a profit to be made in coming years.. purely my opinion as an owner of 3 m5s (life’s a gamble )

Touring442

3,096 posts

208 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Weekendrebuild said:
Probably people who can afford to run them / see a profit to be made in coming years.. purely my opinion as an owner of 3 m5s (life’s a gamble )
Photos are called for.

Weekendrebuild

1,004 posts

62 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Touring442 said:
Photos are called for.

Weekendrebuild

1,004 posts

62 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Weekendrebuild

1,004 posts

62 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Weekendrebuild

1,004 posts

62 months

Tuesday 13th August 2019
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Last ones a clean one lots of wax! Back off to storage next week getting the v6 aw11 out. Before the weather turns. I think there awesome cars all M cars are apart from the turbo rubbish currently on offer don’t feel as special to me some how .

pSyCoSiS

3,581 posts

204 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Weekendrebuild said:
Last ones a clean one lots of wax! Back off to storage next week getting the v6 aw11 out. Before the weather turns. I think there awesome cars all M cars are apart from the turbo rubbish currently on offer don’t feel as special to me some how .
You have some awesome metal there sir!

Out of curiosity - once these have been rebuilt, I assume with uprated parts, are these engines then reliable going forward, or will they still encounter similar issues as before?

4941cc

25,867 posts

205 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Weekendrebuild said:
Touring442 said:
Photos are called for.
Most appropriate username on PH. hehe

Touring442

3,096 posts

208 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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hi court

168 posts

195 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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Have been a fan of the bmw v10 for a while, but the horror stories that have been around for years scare me. Especially when we start talking 5 figure engine rebuilds etc. Really like the idea of the m6 but think it's a brave pill too far for me!


Patrick Bateman

12,143 posts

173 months

Wednesday 14th August 2019
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TheAngryDog said:
I like SMG, don't have any issues with it. The only time it has caused me an issue is when I have done something stupid.
A manual box attached to the S85 goes against its ethos. A DCT conversion would be better.
Its ethos can get shoved. A manual car with an S85 would appeal far more for me.

I've driven a couple of M cars with DCT gearboxes and while objectively brilliant, took a huge amount of enjoyment away.

ST270

663 posts

181 months

Tuesday 23rd June 2020
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Looks like this car is for sale again.....

@ £10k though.... minefield or take it as it is and spend some £ on preventative work??

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...