RE: VW Golf GTI Clubsport S | Spotted

RE: VW Golf GTI Clubsport S | Spotted

Sunday 18th August 2019

VW Golf GTI Clubsport S | Spotted

Seven seconds slower than a Trophy-R at the 'ring - but £40k cheaper too...



Once upon a time everything was simple in front-wheel drive Nurburgring record breakers land. Renaultsport marked its territory with the Megane R26.R more than a decade ago, which it then continued to ring-fence with subsequent iterations. SEAT briefly entered the fray, only to be usurped by another Megane (the Trophy-R). Honda's foray into proceedings was entirely understandable, too: the Civic Type R had been away for years, and the plan to announce its return to the scene with a FWD record made eminent sense.

Then VW came along. Given the niche appeal of a Nordschleife record, it was assumed the competition was a two-horse race, Renault and Honda continuing to edge ahead of each other second by second and tenth by tenth. If VW were to be involved, we all thought, then surely it would be with a Leon spiced up yet further.

But no. Instead, from what felt like nowhere, the Clubsport S arrived. Boom, 7:49 lap to establish a record, then another couple of seconds lopped off to prove the point. 150 cars for the UK, manual only, three colour choices, £34k (a bargain, all things considered), go and have your fun.


On a track, the Clubsport S was sensational. There was focus and agility to its handling unbeknown to any previous Golf, but crucially without any of the flightiness or intimidation that can come with aggressive FWD cars. The changes wrought to the suspension in particular, with that secret 'Nurburgring setting' for the dampers in the Individual mode, worked superbly, with the sort of circuit ability seldom seen in a hot hatch. Leave alone a Golf.

If anything it was actually more impressive on the road, for the simple fact that it dealt with bumpy tarmac. Here was a car that tackled a track way more convincingly than any other GTI, yet dispatched a B-road with more confidence (and probably comfort) as well. The CS proved, arguably better than any other attempt, the benefits that can be reaped from extensive Nurburgring testing and fettling. And, presumably, an enormous development budget.

Then it could just be a Golf. Yes, with only two seats. But damn near as refined and cossetting once the driver had calmed down, with the same feeling of quality and sophistication inside. It only ever felt like a track renegade when you needed it to, which was a stroke of genius.

Because the Clubsport S was so good, as well as that rare, it's suffered negligible depreciation, and will probably continue in that vein. Indeed there are cars that remain for sale at £40k. However, this particular 'ring-slaying Golf is the first we've seen at less than £30,000 - £28,995 in fact, and that makes it even more interesting than most.


Why? Well, an owner has dared to drive it, for a start (and presumably loved it), this car's 6,000-mile tally in stark contrast to some that have yet to breach four figures. Still, that's hardly a mileage to shirk at. Also, it's in Fife, which might be tricky for some, though does at least promise a much more exciting drive home than 99 per cent of other used car purchases.

The final explanation is the fact this Clubsport S doesn't have air-con. A deal-breaker for some, no doubt; as the seller rightly points out, however, that does make this one incredibly rare - apparently just five of the 150 in the UK are configured as such - and also the most faithful replica of the record car. It could be worth it in the long run, too, with bare bones specials often seen as the 'purest' possible once considered classics.

Alright, that's by no means a guarantee. What is guaranteed, however, is that the Clubsport S remains one of the best front-wheel drive cars of recent years, no matter how many times people will tell you it's just a GTI without rear seats. And this is currently the most affordable way into one. Call this consumer buying advice, PistonHeads style...


SPECIFICATION - VW GOLF GTI CLUBSPORT S
Engine: 1,984cc, 4-cyl turbo
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 310@5,800rpm
Torque (lb ft): 280@1,850-5,700rpm
CO2: 172g/lm
MPG: 38.2
First registered: 2016
Recorded mileage: 5,900
Price new: £33,995
Yours for: £28,995

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Turbobanana

Original Poster:

6,258 posts

201 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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The article said:
Also, it's in Fife, which might be tricky for some...
Why is there always the assumption that location is a hindrance? My experience of selling specialist cars is that people looking for something specific rarely mind where it's located.

DoubleByte

1,249 posts

266 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Are those the seats that scrotes nick?
Jesus, they're fecking awful.

aarondbs

845 posts

146 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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The Crack Fox said:
I’m sure it’s quick, but it looks so dull.
I think that’s the point of a Golf, flaps wings and other things are available elsewhere. We have a Golf R (well the wife does) and the fact it’s discrete bar the tailpipes is part of its appeal.

Klippie

3,124 posts

145 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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It’s just a Golf a faster one admittedly but still only a Golf, it’s the same with all that Focus RS nonsense they strap a few shiny go faster bits on them and suddenly they become cutting edge sports cars...they will always be white goods cars nothing special at all.

pppppppppppppppp

169 posts

122 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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aarondbs said:
I think that’s the point of a Golf, flaps wings and other things are available elsewhere. We have a Golf R (well the wife does) and the fact it’s discrete bar the tailpipes is part of its appeal.
Exactly. If you want your car to appeal to young boys then buy a Civic. They're apparently very good cars. It's down to preference and it's good that the option is there.

As for the location, I imagine it's ideal if you live in central Scotland. I grew up up there but now live a mile or so from PH HQ so I can kind of see their point, based on population densities. One thing is certain - there are plenty more fun roads up there than in London's suburbs.

If you do buy this and end up driving south, I'd recommend the B709. Love that road, but remember that if there's a bend you can't see round, there _will_ be a tractor, cyclist or sheep waiting for you.

biggles330d

1,533 posts

150 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Having made such a big deal in the ad about its condition I'm baffled why you'd post such a clear and proud image of rusty brake discs?

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

172 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Klippie said:
It’s just a Golf a faster one admittedly but still only a Golf, it’s the same with all that Focus RS nonsense they strap a few shiny go faster bits on them and suddenly they become cutting edge sports cars...they will always be white goods cars nothing special at all.
A few shiny bits? Like an awd system? Or a lot of development to beat other fwd 'Ring lap times.

Nothing special at all? White goods? The lack of depreciation would suggest otherwise.

What exactly do you drive? Some of these "white good cars" as you call them appreciate massively over the years so are obviously very sought after despite what idiocy you believe.

It seems you are wildly misinformed.

rlg43p

1,226 posts

249 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Ahbefive said:
A few shiny bits? Like an awd system? Or a lot of development to beat other fwd 'Ring lap times.

Nothing special at all? White goods? The lack of depreciation would suggest otherwise.

What exactly do you drive? Some of these "white good cars" as you call them appreciate massively over the years so are obviously very sought after despite what idiocy you believe.

It seems you are wildly misinformed.
Your very valid point would be more effectively made if you didn't resort to using insulting language. What is the point of such behaviour?


C.MW

473 posts

69 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Klippie said:
It’s just a Golf a faster one admittedly but still only a Golf, it’s the same with all that Focus RS nonsense they strap a few shiny go faster bits on them and suddenly they become cutting edge sports cars...they will always be white goods cars nothing special at all.


You realise that some of those white good cars that are 'nothing special at all' could give you a hard time on any track or stretch of road of your choice, do you.

ToothbrushMan

1,770 posts

125 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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to have one and with not even with 4 figures on the clock seems about on the same level as these people you see on TV who have hoards of brand new high end label clothes all still with the price tags attached never worn or their 3 piece suites still with the clear wrapping on them..........what are you gunna do with them? Whats the point of owning a nice car something designed to move you from one point to another that you dont drive? Seems such a shame and a waste. You can only stare at it in the heated garage for so long surely........

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

265 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Klippie said:
It’s just a Golf a faster one admittedly but still only a Golf, it’s the same with all that Focus RS nonsense they strap a few shiny go faster bits on them and suddenly they become cutting edge sports cars...they will always be white goods cars nothing special at all.
They are very special to drive, you miss the point.
Set up by Porsche techs and run Porsche N spec cup 2 as standard, just bloody awesome cars.

The standard CS is a mega driving tool, I have done 28k miles in mine and it’s nothing like a normal gti to drive. One of the best cars I own, and I own very nice cars.

It’s posting times the same as 996 GT3 and bmw csl's ...


Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 18th August 11:48

Trophy-GTA

101 posts

98 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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C.MW said:
You realise that some of those white good cars that are 'nothing special at all' could give you a hard time on any track or stretch of road of your choice, do you.
Does that make them more exciting to drive?

fieldmau5

180 posts

168 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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biggles330d said:
Having made such a big deal in the ad about its condition I'm baffled why you'd post such a clear and proud image of rusty brake discs?
Because they won't be rusty after 1 mile of driving. You'd need to be a psycho to be put off by that.

C.MW

473 posts

69 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Trophy-GTA said:
C.MW said:
You realise that some of those white good cars that are 'nothing special at all' could give you a hard time on any track or stretch of road of your choice, do you.
Does that make them more exciting to drive?
Do you belong to the anything fwd is boring to drive camp? Because if you do, I think I'll just let you say whatever you want and move on.

1974foggy

676 posts

144 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Agree it should look more special, couldnt they have bloated the arches a bit or something? And maybe offered it in some Porsche aping bright colours?

IMI A

9,410 posts

201 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Had one, loved it. No ac would be a deal breaker. Wouldn't have even if it was up for £20k. Very good looking car IMO.

Trophy-GTA

101 posts

98 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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C.MW said:
Do you belong to the anything fwd is boring to drive camp? Because if you do, I think I'll just let you say whatever you want and move on.
Excuse me but where did I say fwd is boring? I own two very exciting FF and an MR. Specifically a 182 Trophy, a 156 GTA and a 348 TB. But I suppose they’re all boring as they’re much slower round a track or a particular stretch of road than a golf hatch. Maybe I should trade them in for an Audi?

ZX10R NIN

27,577 posts

125 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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As good as the Golf is I'd be buying the previous generation Megane Trophy R which is a better car in everyway to the Clubsport S but finding one will be harder as people seem to be keeping hold of them.

Chestrockwell

2,626 posts

157 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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29k for a 2 seater Golf with no air con, a car for speculators, nobody’s going to buy a 2 seater Golf to take on track because they’d just buy a sports car like a Lotus or Porsche.

The Civic Type R is the king of hot hatches, on road and track and it will be for a while.

Comes with all the kit you need, air con, rear seats, reasonable price with no extra model coming out every 6 months. No options, you go to Honda, Type R GT and that’s it.

With Golfs and Megane, there’s always a newer better model out that outdates yours, the options list means you can easily get into 40k.

2017 - 2019
Honda Civic Type R

2018 - 2019
Renault Megane RS 280
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy R

2014 - 2019

Golf GTI
Golf GTI Performance 245
Golf GTI Club Sport
Golf GTI Club Sport S
Golf GTI TCR

The Civic is the only honest hot hatch here and it’s also the best, before anyone tells me about the Ring’ time, I read that the lack of rear seats was to offset the weight of the roll cage. Honda came, built a car to the best of their ability and put it on sale. The rest build cars, hold them back and release more versions and price them higher. It’s fine as they’re a business you can’t deny the greatness and honesty.

Sorry, I’m slightly biased.

Thank you and goodbye





C.MW

473 posts

69 months

Sunday 18th August 2019
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Trophy-GTA said:
C.MW said:
Do you belong to the anything fwd is boring to drive camp? Because if you do, I think I'll just let you say whatever you want and move on.
Excuse me but where did I say fwd is boring? I own two very exciting FF and an MR. Specifically a 182 Trophy, a 156 GTA and a 348 TB. But I suppose they’re all boring as they’re much slower round a track or a particular stretch of road than a golf hatch. Maybe I should trade them in for an Audi?
Yes I agree the golf pales in comparison to what you have. My point is that fwd performance cars with humble origins can be fun and fast like your 182.