RE: VW Golf GTI Clubsport S | Spotted

[Alpinestars]

CraigV6 said:

Why do you continually spam every thread about any hot hatch with what can only be (based upon the repetition) some form of purchase justification and, to make matters worse, pictures of one of the ugliest hot hatches ever made?
Nobody cares about the ugly fraud.

Edited by CraigV6 on Monday 19th August 06:24

Edited by CraigV6 on Monday 19th August 06:25

That’s just as ignorant a comment as “white goods”. The CTR is a brilliant car, notwithstanding it’s not a 2 seat special.

[mcelliott]

Chestrockwell said:

29k for a 2 seater Golf with no air con, a car for speculators, nobody’s going to buy a 2 seater Golf to take on track because they’d just buy a sports car like a Lotus or Porsche.

The Civic Type R is the king of hot hatches, on road and track and it will be for a while.

Comes with all the kit you need, air con, rear seats, reasonable price with no extra model coming out every 6 months. No options, you go to Honda, Type R GT and that’s it.

With Golfs and Megane, there’s always a newer better model out that outdates yours, the options list means you can easily get into 40k.

2017 - 2019
Honda Civic Type R

2018 - 2019
Renault Megane RS 280
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy R

2014 - 2019

Golf GTI
Golf GTI Performance 245
Golf GTI Club Sport
Golf GTI Club Sport S
Golf GTI TCR

The Civic is the only honest hot hatch here and it’s also the best, before anyone tells me about the Ring’ time, I read that the lack of rear seats was to offset the weight of the roll cage. Honda came, built a car to the best of their ability and put it on sale. The rest build cars, hold them back and release more versions and price them higher. It’s fine as they’re a business you can’t deny the greatness and honesty.

Sorry, I’m slightly biased.

Thank you and goodbye

fk that's ugly.

[Montybaber]

Jonno02 said:

Now this I agree with. But when the lead designer of Honda let his 6 year old design the Civic after watching Transformers and then Fast&Furious back-to-back, they dropped the ball.

Somewhere between VAG blandness and Honda "MORE SPOILERS AND USELESS VENTS AND PLASTIC BITS HERE AND THERE" would be absolutely spot on.

For you

There is a place for bland and crazy looking cars, each to their own, being able to make such a choice is a good thing

There is no denying the ability of all of these cars so we are living the hot hatch dream at the moment

Regarding the CTR and hatred, I knew when I got one it was a marmite car and I was one of the few that appreciates the bonkers (childish if you like) looks so I felt lucky when I drove one and realised that for me I had found my ideal car

The thing that has really surprised me though is how many people I have spoken to whilst out and about who love it

I remember my old boss who spec'd an Escort Cosworth with the spoiler delete as at the time people struggled with the cars looks, you would struggle to find one person now who thinks the same

FK8 ahead of it's time maybe .

For now though I will take the flak for looking like a chav as I am lucky enough to drive it everyday

[anonymous-user]

Interesting that the rarity of the air con delete is being spun into a positive by the seller (5 cars out of 150). The overwhelming majority being built with air con is quite telling. Rare is not always better.

[Jon_S_Rally]

Klippie said:

It’s just a Golf a faster one admittedly but still only a Golf, it’s the same with all that Focus RS nonsense they strap a few shiny go faster bits on them and suddenly they become cutting edge sports cars...they will always be white goods cars nothing special at all.

The values of these cars suggest that they are anything but white goods.

Chestrockwell said:

29k for a 2 seater Golf with no air con, a car for speculators, nobody’s going to buy a 2 seater Golf to take on track because they’d just buy a sports car like a Lotus or Porsche.

The Civic Type R is the king of hot hatches, on road and track and it will be for a while.

Comes with all the kit you need, air con, rear seats, reasonable price with no extra model coming out every 6 months. No options, you go to Honda, Type R GT and that’s it.

With Golfs and Megane, there’s always a newer better model out that outdates yours, the options list means you can easily get into 40k.

2017 - 2019
Honda Civic Type R

2018 - 2019
Renault Megane RS 280
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy R

2014 - 2019

Golf GTI
Golf GTI Performance 245
Golf GTI Club Sport
Golf GTI Club Sport S
Golf GTI TCR

The Civic is the only honest hot hatch here and it’s also the best, before anyone tells me about the Ring’ time, I read that the lack of rear seats was to offset the weight of the roll cage. Honda came, built a car to the best of their ability and put it on sale. The rest build cars, hold them back and release more versions and price them higher. It’s fine as they’re a business you can’t deny the greatness and honesty.

Sorry, I’m slightly biased.

Thank you and goodbye

You really don't help yourself. Car companies are there to make a profit. If they can release further models and updates that help them to make more money, then why wouldn't they? You could argue that Honda are the fools for not doing that.

You could also argue that the Honda is the least honest - after all, you can't buy one in 'ring spec and there are plenty of questions surrounding the validity of its time, much more so than with the other manufacturers.

The Civic is a great car, no doubt about it, but a bit of objectivity is never a bad thing.

[Escort Si-130]

DoubleByte said:

Are those the seats that scrotes nick?
Jesus, they're fecking awful.

I thought the eats look nice, far better than the usual outdated tartan st they throw in. Downside is the lack of rear seats, easily sourced from another Golf or dealers.

[Escort Si-130]

The Crack Fox said:

I’m sure it’s quick, but it looks so dull.

Hardly looks dull to me, could easily tell it apart from the standard Golf or even another GTI

[Escort Si-130]

The only downside of the clubsport is the lack of rear seats and no aircon. Both easily achievable to do as an aftermarket add on.

Chestrockwell said:

29k for a 2 seater Golf with no air con, a car for speculators, nobody’s going to buy a 2 seater Golf to take on track because they’d just buy a sports car like a Lotus or Porsche.

The Civic Type R is the king of hot hatches, on road and track and it will be for a while.

Comes with all the kit you need, air con, rear seats, reasonable price with no extra model coming out every 6 months. No options, you go to Honda, Type R GT and that’s it.

With Golfs and Megane, there’s always a newer better model out that outdates yours, the options list means you can easily get into 40k.

2017 - 2019
Honda Civic Type R

2018 - 2019
Renault Megane RS 280
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy
Renault Megane RS 300 Trophy R

2014 - 2019

Golf GTI
Golf GTI Performance 245
Golf GTI Club Sport
Golf GTI Club Sport S
Golf GTI TCR

The Civic is the only honest hot hatch here and it’s also the best, before anyone tells me about the Ring’ time, I read that the lack of rear seats was to offset the weight of the roll cage. Honda came, built a car to the best of their ability and put it on sale. The rest build cars, hold them back and release more versions and price them higher. It’s fine as they’re a business you can’t deny the greatness and honesty.

Sorry, I’m slightly biased.

Thank you and goodbye

[Montybaber]

Jon_S_Rally said:

You really don't help yourself. Car companies are there to make a profit. If they can release further models and updates that help them to make more money, then why wouldn't they? You could argue that Honda are the fools for not doing that.

You could also argue that the Honda is the least honest - after all, you can't buy one in 'ring spec and there are plenty of questions surrounding the validity of its time, much more so than with the other manufacturers.

The Civic is a great car, no doubt about it, but a bit of objectivity is never a bad thing.

I agree about objectivity but I think we can take pretty much all of the manufacturers ring times with a pinch of salt, nothing as far as I know is regulated

I do know that's it's pretty irrelevant in the real world, all these cars are more capable than most drivers so there really is no bad choice

[Baldchap]

There is definitely a group of people here who would say it was boring white goods if it was 1500 bhp, styled like an Enzo and could fly.

Newsflash: Just because it has a certain badge, doesn't mean it's terrible and dull.

I wonder how many of the naysayers:
A: Have driven one
And
B: Have the driving ability to tell the difference between a sorted car and a terrible one.

[Jon_S_Rally]

Montybaber said:

I agree about objectivity but I think we can take pretty much all of the manufacturers ring times with a pinch of salt, nothing as far as I know is regulated

I do know that's it's pretty irrelevant in the real world, all these cars are more capable than most drivers so there really is no bad choice

Yes you are likely right. There is a chance that many of them have added some extra power, or tweaked a few bits here and there. At least they hide it though

[nickfrog]

Jonno02 said:

Somewhere between VAG blandness and Honda "MORE SPOILERS AND USELESS VENTS AND PLASTIC BITS HERE AND THERE" would be absolutely spot on.

What, like a Megane RS Cup?

It even comes with 18' wheels as std so no one can use the excuse of the track tyres being too expensive, although Chester would probaby do that anyway.

[Alpinestars]

Baldchap said:

There is definitely a group of people here who would say it was boring white goods if it was 1500 bhp, styled like an Enzo and could fly.

Newsflash: Just because it has a certain badge, doesn't mean it's terrible and dull.

I wonder how many of the naysayers:
A: Have driven one
And
B: Have the driving ability to tell the difference between a sorted car and a terrible one.

The latter point is somewhat irrelevant to most drivers. If a “drivers’” car can’t strike up a relationship with the “average” driver that’s likely to buy one, it’s not a great road car. A road car that requires “special” driving skills, generally beyond those of its target market, to shine, is not a very good/engaging car and misses its target.

[WCZ]

mstrbkr said:

Interesting that the rarity of the air con delete is being spun into a positive by the seller (5 cars out of 150). The overwhelming majority being built with air con is quite telling. Rare is not always better.

I'd look it as a positive tbh

I wanted an e46 csl without aircon as I didn't the see the point in paying such a premium for -100kg then putting 15% of expensive weight savings back in. couldn't find a single one for sale though

[GSull]

My Clubsport S has now covered 35,000 (thirty five thousand) trouble free miles

[Leins]

WCZ said:

mstrbkr said:

Interesting that the rarity of the air con delete is being spun into a positive by the seller (5 cars out of 150). The overwhelming majority being built with air con is quite telling. Rare is not always better.

I'd look it as a positive tbh

I wanted an e46 csl without aircon as I didn't the see the point in paying such a premium for -100kg then putting 15% of expensive weight savings back in. couldn't find a single one for sale though

I would view the lack of aircon in a CSL slightly differently, as the whole point of the car was to ensure practicality wasn't overly affected. I did a number of road trips in mine during the summers, sometimes three up with luggage. It was nice to have aircon, Xenons and a stereo. Admittedly I don't track my cars though

[Digga]

Was driven around Nordschleife by a racing driver in a Megane R26, was incredible. I know people who have switched from 991 GT3, to Golf CS and then Merc Amg GTR - albeit a cheaper alternative, the VW is still no less fun on track. Anyone who thinks these sort of hot hatches are bland has obviously not had much to do with them.

[Jonno02]

nickfrog said:

What, like a Megane RS Cup?

It even comes with 18' wheels as std so no one can use the excuse of the track tyres being too expensive, although Chester would probaby do that anyway.

Yeah I'd say you're not far off the money with that. The thing is, I don't have a problem with spoilers etc - as long as they're designed well and flow with the car. The Civic just looks like a horrendous mess of angles and plastic trim that's trying far too hard to be the stand-out.

[m88ony]

Escort Si-130 said:

I thought the eats look nice, far better than the usual outdated tartan st they throw in. Downside is the lack of rear seats, easily sourced from another Golf or dealers.

If you need rear seats that's why there is the Clubsport option. Both great cars.

[Court_S]

I like these - they are pretty subtle but with enough differences to stand out from a normal Golf. I'd want one with A/C though.

I have no doubt that the CTR is a cracking car, but it's an awful looking thing to my eyes at least.