RE: Audi TT quattro Sport | PH Used Review
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redhanded said:
Seems a bit more hate for these than not. I have one at the moment. It's a run out edition of an Iconic old car with beautiful styling. A game changing design no? Good engine. Nice seats. Quick point to point with 0-60 coming in 5.7 secs. During the winter I was being held up buy a Boxter trying to get up a hill in 2 or 3 inches of snow. You realise in that moment what these cars are for. They will continue to look good, they are built well and there are not many about. Whats not to like?
Fully agree with this - good post.People read road tests and quote - dull steering etc.. I expected that until I drove a 3.2V6 and then my 225 Roadster. You just need to understand what they are good at.
shantybeater said:
moonigan said:
I had one of these in 2010 and it lasted just over 4 weeks. I paid £15K at the time. They are crap. The only good thing about them is the Recaro Pole Positions.
The 4WD system robs the car of power so it actually only produces around 220 BHP so its slow and any attempt to extract more power from it will cost money as you have to start looking at new turbos. Forums will claim to extract 280 BHP with little cost but that's not at the wheels and the remap usually comes with a countdown timer because a large bang is sure to follow. Understeer is everywhere and again to sort this costs a significant amount of money. Then there are the brakes which will also need sorting at huge cost.
I looked at getting all the things sorted to turn it into a decent car and the bill would have been £5K+ so I sold it and bought a Z4MC for £20K
Clearly you have owned the car so you have relevant experience, but the assumption the engine would ‘go ban’ is way off the mark. I really don’t understand why people post utter tripe with absolutely no knowledge on the subject at all. The BAM 1.8T is an incredibly reliable block, I ran two, my second (which still exists to this day) was running 330bhp on stock internals, it had a scooby IHI bolted on. I ragged that car daily up until I sold it at 88k and it was still lapping it up. 10 years on my friend still owns the car and is now running 350bhp.The 4WD system robs the car of power so it actually only produces around 220 BHP so its slow and any attempt to extract more power from it will cost money as you have to start looking at new turbos. Forums will claim to extract 280 BHP with little cost but that's not at the wheels and the remap usually comes with a countdown timer because a large bang is sure to follow. Understeer is everywhere and again to sort this costs a significant amount of money. Then there are the brakes which will also need sorting at huge cost.
I looked at getting all the things sorted to turn it into a decent car and the bill would have been £5K+ so I sold it and bought a Z4MC for £20K
Edited by moonigan on Monday 19th August 08:16
Suggesting the 20vt engine is anything other than a very reliable block is UTTER nonsense. Derivatives of the same engine lived in the S3’s, golf gti’s and Ibiza/Leon cupras of that era, a very common engine but yet no real common faults ever surfaced. There is a reason these engines are transplanted into kit cars, mk1/2 golfs etc
Edited by shantybeater on Tuesday 20th August 11:45
Caddyshack said:
redhanded said:
Seems a bit more hate for these than not. I have one at the moment. It's a run out edition of an Iconic old car with beautiful styling. A game changing design no? Good engine. Nice seats. Quick point to point with 0-60 coming in 5.7 secs. During the winter I was being held up buy a Boxter trying to get up a hill in 2 or 3 inches of snow. You realise in that moment what these cars are for. They will continue to look good, they are built well and there are not many about. Whats not to like?
Fully agree with this - good post.People read road tests and quote - dull steering etc.. I expected that until I drove a 3.2V6 and then my 225 Roadster. You just need to understand what they are good at.
I would have another, really did get under my skin for some reason, and my fingernails fixing the f
ker 
Had a 180Q for a long time, very mildly modded, and as above, hit the nose on the head about usability. It was a fantastic daily sporty car. It may have the same underpinnings as a MK4 Golf GTi but it felt drastically different, lower driving position, 6-speed short shift, heavier steering, clutch felt a lot different too. Then the sound was usually a lot better too. So you had the sporty feel, pretty good pace, fantastic looks.
What it wasn't was a track or racing car. You couldn't get the tail out, but that went on all year round, ice and snow it would happily power on through past the "drivers cars" that were abandoned at the side of the road, or tucked up for winter.
There are a large number of people (as reflected by sales) that want some performance and ability, but don't want to drive sideways to work or ever set tyre on track.
There aren't many cars that tick all these boxes.
What it wasn't was a track or racing car. You couldn't get the tail out, but that went on all year round, ice and snow it would happily power on through past the "drivers cars" that were abandoned at the side of the road, or tucked up for winter.
There are a large number of people (as reflected by sales) that want some performance and ability, but don't want to drive sideways to work or ever set tyre on track.
There aren't many cars that tick all these boxes.
SiPod said:
xjay1337 said:
Who the fk would pay 10k for a TT Mk1 HAHAHAHA
You can buy a normal TT 225 for 1500 quid
R-tech remap for £250 and pair of used Pole Positions for £1200 and you have the same car 1/3rd the advertised price.
15 years ago you could buy a 1.3 mk golf for £200 and a GTi for £800. Try and buy an immaculate low mileage one of them now less than 10 times those prices.k would pay 10k for a TT Mk1 HAHAHAHAYou can buy a normal TT 225 for 1500 quid
R-tech remap for £250 and pair of used Pole Positions for £1200 and you have the same car 1/3rd the advertised price.
Think your HAHAHAHAHA remark may be one that you'll look back on in 10 years time and think "hmm maybe I wasn't such a clever gob shyte"
Regardless of power, handling etc etc these cars are the run out of a first generation iconic car. Prices will go only one way especially for the QS240
An Audi TT is never going to be an iconic car in the same way (in my opinion anyway) - There was hype when they had been just released but since died down heavily and now only a very, very small number of people would pander for one.
10k for a Mk1 TT irrespective of what's been done is a joke and it will never sell for that.
xjay1337 said:
SiPod said:
xjay1337 said:
Who the fk would pay 10k for a TT Mk1 HAHAHAHA
You can buy a normal TT 225 for 1500 quid
R-tech remap for £250 and pair of used Pole Positions for £1200 and you have the same car 1/3rd the advertised price.
15 years ago you could buy a 1.3 mk golf for £200 and a GTi for £800. Try and buy an immaculate low mileage one of them now less than 10 times those prices.k would pay 10k for a TT Mk1 HAHAHAHAYou can buy a normal TT 225 for 1500 quid
R-tech remap for £250 and pair of used Pole Positions for £1200 and you have the same car 1/3rd the advertised price.
Think your HAHAHAHAHA remark may be one that you'll look back on in 10 years time and think "hmm maybe I wasn't such a clever gob shyte"
Regardless of power, handling etc etc these cars are the run out of a first generation iconic car. Prices will go only one way especially for the QS240
An Audi TT is never going to be an iconic car in the same way (in my opinion anyway) - There was hype when they had been just released but since died down heavily and now only a very, very small number of people would pander for one.
10k for a Mk1 TT irrespective of what's been done is a joke and it will never sell for that.
To say they are never going to be iconic is wrong (in my opinion), I believe most would agree in terms of their design, they most definately are. Even to this day, there isn't another car that could be compared to the design of the TT, very unique and still looks quite fresh and different today. Not many cars this age you can say that about.
Nors said:
Well sir, I beg to differ. I know of 2 Mk1 TT's (admit they had very low miles) and not the quattro sport either that actually sold for £10k last year, standard cars too.
To say they are never going to be iconic is wrong (in my opinion), I believe most would agree in terms of their design, they most definately are. Even to this day, there isn't another car that could be compared to the design of the TT, very unique and still looks quite fresh and different today. Not many cars this age you can say that about.
That's fair enough, I do agree it looks good today (well, a tidy one, not a tatty one). Hardly a design revolution IMO, but still it is not immediately offensive to look at. To say they are never going to be iconic is wrong (in my opinion), I believe most would agree in terms of their design, they most definately are. Even to this day, there isn't another car that could be compared to the design of the TT, very unique and still looks quite fresh and different today. Not many cars this age you can say that about.
We just have difference of opinions on this I think
Think the main advantage of the QS over the 225 was the gearbox? The 225 would never do sub 6 to 60 due to requiring the 3rd gear to get there, whereas the QS did it in 2nd.
I had a tuned roadster which I adored until someone went into the side of it and got written off. Went on quite a few NC500 road trips with it and managed to hold its own pretty well. 1 with a E46 M3 and a 2.9 boxster and the 2nd one was with the M3 and a Z4M. I'm in no way implying that it was just as quick, merely that it didn't struggle to keep up once going.
I had a tuned roadster which I adored until someone went into the side of it and got written off. Went on quite a few NC500 road trips with it and managed to hold its own pretty well. 1 with a E46 M3 and a 2.9 boxster and the 2nd one was with the M3 and a Z4M. I'm in no way implying that it was just as quick, merely that it didn't struggle to keep up once going.
shantybeater said:
Clearly you have owned the car so you have relevant experience, but the assumption the engine would ‘go ban’ is way off the mark. I really don’t understand why people post utter tripe with absolutely no knowledge on the subject at all. The BAM 1.8T is an incredibly reliable block, I ran two, my second (which still exists to this day) was running 330bhp on stock internals, it had a scooby IHI bolted on. I ragged that car daily up until I sold it at 88k and it was still lapping it up. 10 years on my friend still owns the car and is now running 350bhp.
Suggesting the 20vt engine is anything other than a very reliable block is UTTER nonsense. Derivatives of the same engine lived in the S3’s, golf gti’s and Ibiza/Leon cupras of that era, a very common engine but yet no real common faults ever surfaced. There is a reason these engines are transplanted into kit cars, mk1/2 golfs etc
OK so the engine might not actually explode and I was perhaps being over dramatic. Suggesting the 20vt engine is anything other than a very reliable block is UTTER nonsense. Derivatives of the same engine lived in the S3’s, golf gti’s and Ibiza/Leon cupras of that era, a very common engine but yet no real common faults ever surfaced. There is a reason these engines are transplanted into kit cars, mk1/2 golfs etc
Edited by shantybeater on Tuesday 20th August 11:45
but the point I was trying to make was getting a true and reliable 280+ map isn't happening without spending money elsewhere and if that money isn't spent then something else will break. I underline the true because I bet there a loads of people who have paid for "280" map who a probably only getting 250 or 260 clutch. Admittedly I'm only offering experience from 8-9 years ago so mapping may have moved on since then. All of the engines (BAM included) seem to throw a rods at some stage (of course there will be the odd few that do not) when you go past 300 bhp, it is actually the associated torque values that seem to make them break so they can map around it a little.
Once the bottom end has some decent rods and ideally everything else forged they seem reliable over 500 bhp. Many people build 2.0 or bigger storkers using the TFSI crank. 280 bhp is about the limit of a good KO4 turbo, you then need to go for a hybrid, tfsi or something similar Borg Warner twin scroll etc...Normally aspirated cams seem popular at the moment.
As with any Turbo car you need good inlet, good intercooler, suitable injectors, exhaust etc for good reliable power. There are a lot of 400-500+ bhp TT's out there now. They are a lot cheaper to get 600 bhp out of than my Cosworth YB cost to build (£26k)
Once the bottom end has some decent rods and ideally everything else forged they seem reliable over 500 bhp. Many people build 2.0 or bigger storkers using the TFSI crank. 280 bhp is about the limit of a good KO4 turbo, you then need to go for a hybrid, tfsi or something similar Borg Warner twin scroll etc...Normally aspirated cams seem popular at the moment.
As with any Turbo car you need good inlet, good intercooler, suitable injectors, exhaust etc for good reliable power. There are a lot of 400-500+ bhp TT's out there now. They are a lot cheaper to get 600 bhp out of than my Cosworth YB cost to build (£26k)
"The brochure stated V6-spec brakes were to be fitted, however models delivered in the UK came with the standard 225 spec brake callipers which were red-painted", sneaky buggers. No wonder they are poor then. If anyone has any pad & disc recommendations that actually make a difference then would love to know.
redhanded said:
Seems a bit more hate for these than not. I have one at the moment. It's a run out edition of an Iconic old car with beautiful styling. A game changing design no? Good engine. Nice seats. Quick point to point with 0-60 coming in 5.7 secs. During the winter I was being held up buy a Boxter trying to get up a hill in 2 or 3 inches of snow. You realise in that moment what these cars are for. They will continue to look good, they are built well and there are not many about. Whats not to like?
I went to Wales Rally GB in my Mk1 which was wearing the Yokohama semi-slicks which the previous owner sold it with - we had to park in the emergency overspill carpark which was on the side of what felt like a 45degree, very muddy grass hill - my TT went straight up without hassle, and then we sat there laughing at all the BMWs sitting still, wheels spinning.Drekly said:
"The brochure stated V6-spec brakes were to be fitted, however models delivered in the UK came with the standard 225 spec brake callipers which were red-painted", sneaky buggers. No wonder they are poor then. If anyone has any pad & disc recommendations that actually make a difference then would love to know.
The V6 brakes are not a popular upgrade on the 225 TT's. Most people swap to Brembos and keep the discs the same. I have Boxster ones on my TT.You can get adapters from CB Auto to fit Audi S4 rears.
There are some monster big kits around but not sure you need them unless you have monster power and grippy tyres.
Caddyshack said:
As with any Turbo car you need good inlet, good intercooler, suitable injectors, exhaust etc for good reliable power. There are a lot of 400-500+ bhp TT's out there now. They are a lot cheaper to get 600 bhp out of than my Cosworth YB cost to build (£26k)
Who did your YB Caddyshack?Caddyshack said:
The V6 brakes are not a popular upgrade on the 225 TT's. Most people swap to Brembos and keep the discs the same. I have Boxster ones on my TT.
You can get adapters from CB Auto to fit Audi S4 rears.
There are some monster big kits around but not sure you need them unless you have monster power and grippy tyres.
I had this same argument with Prawn and opted for the Boxter ones the same as you, braided hoses, high boil fluid, DS1.1 pads and standard Brembo discs is all I will ever need, I know he is running 500hp now but to me £2K on a set of AP BTCC spec front brakes is overkill imo.You can get adapters from CB Auto to fit Audi S4 rears.
There are some monster big kits around but not sure you need them unless you have monster power and grippy tyres.
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