RE: Ford Focus ST Estate diesel | Driven
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Miserablegit said:
Ah yes, the Ford STD....
I think they are good looking cars - but I’m surprised people are still buying diesel sporty versions in the current climate. Still the VED con I presume...
Why are you surprised? If you do a lot of miles, diesels still make a lot of sense. Petrols are a lot more efficient than they used to be, but diesels still have the edge over a lot of miles.I think they are good looking cars - but I’m surprised people are still buying diesel sporty versions in the current climate. Still the VED con I presume...
I like this. Pleased it can now tow, which makes it much more viable from my point of view. It's a bit of a tough sell at the moment, with so many discounts on the Octavia but, when that is replaced, the discounts might not be so easy to come by, but will have likely started to appear on the Ford, so the pendulum could well swing in favour of the Focus.
NewUsername said:
Yes you're right, the Fords will all sell at list price and they aren't tuneable , only vag engines are tuneable ............. lolololol
Is there a whoosh needed? Current broker discount on the Focus ST estate diesel... £1.5k = £29k. Whereas you can buy the VRS estate with an autobox and 4wd for £24k.
ahenners said:
NewUsername said:
Yes you're right, the Fords will all sell at list price and they aren't tuneable , only vag engines are tuneable ............. lolololol
Is there a whoosh needed? Current broker discount on the Focus ST estate diesel... £1.5k = £29k. Whereas you can buy the VRS estate with an autobox and 4wd for £24k.
And as someone stated things in 18 months or so will swing in the Ford's favour when the Octavia is new, with minimal discount, and the discounts kick in on the Ford.
I can’t unsee it now!! ahenners said:
Is there a whoosh needed?
Current broker discount on the Focus ST estate diesel... £1.5k = £29k. Whereas you can buy the VRS estate with an autobox and 4wd for £24k.
26.3k (30.6 list) from DTD for the ST. Current broker discount on the Focus ST estate diesel... £1.5k = £29k. Whereas you can buy the VRS estate with an autobox and 4wd for £24k.
Don't forget the vrs is about to be imminently replaced by a new model....
Muzzer79 said:
30 grand for a Focus...
I know it's probably the going rate now but I still can't wrap my head around it.....
10 years ago, a Focus ST was about £20k new so, with inflation it's about right, because that would be £30k now. That and, by the time discounts have been taken into account, no one will actually pay £30k anyway.I know it's probably the going rate now but I still can't wrap my head around it.....
Dale487 said:
There are some decent looking offers on the Leon ST as well, which is due for replacement in the next year too, without even asking SEA will give you £3000 deposit contribution, plus a further £1000 with a voucher and 2 years servicing for £149. The 1.5 EVO is hardly any slower but lower on CO2 and is a petrol. The Leon isn't as big as the Octavia but is a better drive.
The 1.5 has serious issues & VAG don't yet have a solution for the problem also real world it's significantly slower compare apples with apples you'd want the 2.0t FR to have a more fair comparison, having been in a new Focus ST the materials are on par with anything in the Seat/Skoda & the reason for the large discounts on the later is because their replacements are due so the dealers are clearing stock Ford did the same with the last Focus, as did BMW with the 1 Series, lets see the pricing for the new models when they arrive.marcom44 said:
My mate is looking at this as a company car. Tax reasons yet follow a 3-4 year diesel that slightly out of tune and under acceleration u get clouds of black smoke........ yes they are cheaper to run as a company car but are diesels really the right way to go I think not.
Black smoke out of a 3-4 year old diesel - I think not. A 2003/4 model yes, but not a 2015 on.Slightly out of tune....? They're so packed full of electronics these days they tune themselves.
Turbobanana said:
Is there really any need to perpetuate the use of the acronym DERV (Diesel Engined Road Vehicle)? Sounds so 1970s, when diesels were an extreme rarity and confined to basic versions of mundane family cars.
Whether you like them or not* some are very good and almost as refined as petrol. Almost.
Interesting they use DERV, but they don't use the petrol acronym....Whether you like them or not* some are very good and almost as refined as petrol. Almost.
- I drive one, but only because the car I drive (2011 Ford S-Max) was only available in top spec manual as a diesel.
This is a niche product, the last gasp of the dinosaurs.
But it is a really good dinosaur, velociraptor v Trex of your.
On the transition this seems a good buy for someone wanting space plus fun plus economy, far more than the ipace or etron or anything from Tesla.
We live in interesting times.
But it is a really good dinosaur, velociraptor v Trex of your.
On the transition this seems a good buy for someone wanting space plus fun plus economy, far more than the ipace or etron or anything from Tesla.
We live in interesting times.
Miserablegit said:
Ah yes, the Ford STD....
I think they are good looking cars - but I’m surprised people are still buying diesel sporty versions in the current climate. Still the VED con I presume...
I cant see anything in the "current climate" that should steer someone away from buying a 2019 diesel car other than inaccurate headlines and misinformation. A Euro6 diesel isn't slated to be banned or even restricted anywhere in the UK, at any time. Low mileage use or a preference for petrol are valid reasons but are not "current climate" related. I think they are good looking cars - but I’m surprised people are still buying diesel sporty versions in the current climate. Still the VED con I presume...
I saw a report about all ICE sales being banned by 2040 but that isn't diesel specific, obviously.
Those emissions won’t make it popular as a company car; I have the vRS diesel as a company car and it’s 30% BIK this year; the ST(D) will be even higher. I’m looking forward to it getting collected in a few weeks because it’s bloody expensive now.
I’d still choose the vRS over the Ford. I know it’s an older design but it’s less fussy if a tad dull. The interior is much nicer, simple and made with decent materials. I’ve had the ‘privilege’ of Ford’s Sync systems in the past and it’s a bit rubbish. I imagine that the latest system will be quickly overtaken.
I’d still choose the vRS over the Ford. I know it’s an older design but it’s less fussy if a tad dull. The interior is much nicer, simple and made with decent materials. I’ve had the ‘privilege’ of Ford’s Sync systems in the past and it’s a bit rubbish. I imagine that the latest system will be quickly overtaken.
ZX10R NIN said:
The 1.5 has serious issues & VAG don't yet have a solution for the problem
SWMBO is driving a Golf 1.5TSi (manual) for work at the moment, and although it goes well enough, the engine is almost comically jerky at low revs, particularly when cold. It would drive me nuts.I only found this issue out when I was Googling to see if there was something wrong with it. It seems "they all do that, sir".
Limpet said:
ZX10R NIN said:
The 1.5 has serious issues & VAG don't yet have a solution for the problem
SWMBO is driving a Golf 1.5TSi (manual) for work at the moment, and although it goes well enough, the engine is almost comically jerky at low revs, particularly when cold. It would drive me nuts.I only found this issue out when I was Googling to see if there was something wrong with it. It seems "they all do that, sir".
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