Why the hate for SUV convertibles?
Discussion
Venisonpie said:
DoubleD said:
I dont feel sad, I think that you are sad.
Well, I don't feel sad and you're not sad so there is no sad here it would appear.I suspect you don't like me being judgemental which is fair enough, it won't change my opinion though.
Just enjoy what ever types of cars that you like and ignore ones that you don't, simple.
LuS1fer said:
Any car is bought to project a message or image, whether wealth, affluence, taste etc.
An awful lot of them are bought for going to work or the shops.I don't think I've ever bought a car because I thought it projected anything; I bought what did what I needed/wanted at the time. My sense of self-worth isn't predicated on what I think other people might think of me based on my possessions; that might be weird or it might be awfully normal.
DoubleD said:
Alex_225 said:
DoubleD said:
Alex_225 said:
Most people with these SUVs don't need them
I bet they need a car, so yes they do need them.Why shouldnt they buy an SUV?
I have known people convince themselves they need an SUV for various reasons when the reality is that it's a trend and people want them because they're convinced they're better in some way.
As mentioned already in the thread there are a few genuine needs for an SUV but the average family with a couple of kids doing the school run, probably doesn't 'need' an SUV.
Alex_225 said:
As mentioned already in the thread there are a few genuine needs for an SUV but the average family with a couple of kids doing the school run, probably doesn't 'need' an SUV.
No one “needs” any more than a nice Dacia Sanderos do they?So much hypocrisy in every SUV thread when the discussion becomes about “need” while everyone is driving around in V8s or M3s etc.
Alex_225 said:
DoubleD said:
Alex_225 said:
DoubleD said:
Alex_225 said:
Most people with these SUVs don't need them
I bet they need a car, so yes they do need them.Why shouldnt they buy an SUV?
I have known people convince themselves they need an SUV for various reasons when the reality is that it's a trend and people want them because they're convinced they're better in some way.
As mentioned already in the thread there are a few genuine needs for an SUV but the average family with a couple of kids doing the school run, probably doesn't 'need' an SUV.
Nobody needs to justify their car choice. I wouldn't question someone's choice if they bought a V8 2 seater. Do they need that car? No. Do they want that car? Yes, thats what they like, so thats what they have bought and good for them.
Hungrymc said:
Alex_225 said:
As mentioned already in the thread there are a few genuine needs for an SUV but the average family with a couple of kids doing the school run, probably doesn't 'need' an SUV.
No one “needs” any more than a nice Dacia Sanderos do they?So much hypocrisy in every SUV thread when the discussion becomes about “need” while everyone is driving around in V8s or M3s etc.
My point was merely that I have witnessed people claiming they 'need' an SUV for various reasons when ultimately they are merely following the trend of having one. That was my only point on it. SUV's are sold as an essential part of a lifestyle, even the name 'sports utility vehicle' indicates that, when like I say most go up a kerb outside the school gate.
Alex_225 said:
My point was merely that I have witnessed people claiming they 'need' an SUV for various reasons when ultimately they are merely following the trend of having one. That was my only point on it. SUV's are sold as an essential part of a lifestyle, even the name 'sports utility vehicle' indicates that, when like I say most go up a kerb outside the school gate.
I think people talk about need because unlike any other type of car, they are constantly challenged on ‘why they need one’. They then talk about why they like them - as a need. The wrong question gets the wrong answer.... they’re explaining why they like them or why they work well for them.
Sporky said:
LuS1fer said:
Any car is bought to project a message or image, whether wealth, affluence, taste etc.
An awful lot of them are bought for going to work or the shops.I don't think I've ever bought a car because I thought it projected anything; I bought what did what I needed/wanted at the time. My sense of self-worth isn't predicated on what I think other people might think of me based on my possessions; that might be weird or it might be awfully normal.
I always buy what I want/need. I honestly don't give a crap about my "projecting an image or message"
98elise said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Venisonpie said:
Are these not the ultimate in style over substance, chosen to follow the fashion crowd suggesting a shallow approach to life?
You could argue that also applies to those who slate them. Reading the unoriginal comments on here, "skip, bathtub" etc, I suspect lots of people hate them because hating them is the really treny position to take, so you can ride on the same bandwagon as Chris Harris and co. Everyone wants to be in the cool crowd, and hating them is cool. '
If someone has looked at it objectively and doesn't like it, that's just fine. But I suspect that's not the majority.
PHers are not the target market. Nobody, least of all LR, gives a toss what any of us think of it.
Go park one outside Harvey Nichols and plenty potential buyers will stop to sit in it, and none of them will be retching from ocular discomfort. Nor will any of them be trading in a Clio 182 with slightly worn Recaros...
Take a moment to mentally stroll around in somebody else's Jimmys, and there's nothing wrong with the Evoque at all.
Go park one outside Harvey Nichols and plenty potential buyers will stop to sit in it, and none of them will be retching from ocular discomfort. Nor will any of them be trading in a Clio 182 with slightly worn Recaros...
Take a moment to mentally stroll around in somebody else's Jimmys, and there's nothing wrong with the Evoque at all.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I think a lot of people say they look awful because the cool thing to say. It's popular to hate the Evoque convertible, so they do. No one on this thread looked at an Evoque convertible and thought it looked like a skip. Because even if you don't like it, it doesn't. They've latched onto the skip thing courtesy of others and are just repeating the same old crap, because they don't have the intellect to think for themselves.
If someone has looked at it objectively and doesn't like it, that's just fine. But I suspect that's not the majority.
I fail to see how you cannot see the obvious parallel to a skip. If someone has looked at it objectively and doesn't like it, that's just fine. But I suspect that's not the majority.
I was never a great fan of the Evoque which looked like it had been trodden on but can understand it has a certain style based on current trends for less glass. On that front, I'd still takes a chopped Mercury lead sled.
On the subject of being judged, I was referring to cars which are perceived to be fashionable or trendy, often inexplicably. To suggest many people don't buy a new car, with one eye on its social perception, is hard to swallow which is why many will pick an Audi A1 over a Polo etc.
Edited by LuS1fer on Tuesday 27th August 09:27
LuS1fer said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I think a lot of people say they look awful because the cool thing to say. It's popular to hate the Evoque convertible, so they do. No one on this thread looked at an Evoque convertible and thought it looked like a skip. Because even if you don't like it, it doesn't. They've latched onto the skip thing courtesy of others and are just repeating the same old crap, because they don't have the intellect to think for themselves.
If someone has looked at it objectively and doesn't like it, that's just fine. But I suspect that's not the majority.
I fail to see how you cannot see the obvious parallel to a skip. If someone has looked at it objectively and doesn't like it, that's just fine. But I suspect that's not the majority.
I fully understand that people can look at it and not like it. But it doesn't look like a skip.
A skip has no wheels, no windscreen, no doors. An Evoque convertible looks no more like a skip than it does a dog food bowl or a tuppawear container. It's just a lazy comparison for people who can't muster an original thought, the kind of nonsense Chris Harris would come out with. And then he'd clap himself for saying it.
Hungrymc said:
Alex_225 said:
My point was merely that I have witnessed people claiming they 'need' an SUV for various reasons when ultimately they are merely following the trend of having one. That was my only point on it. SUV's are sold as an essential part of a lifestyle, even the name 'sports utility vehicle' indicates that, when like I say most go up a kerb outside the school gate.
I think people talk about need because unlike any other type of car, they are constantly challenged on ‘why they need one’. They then talk about why they like them - as a need. The wrong question gets the wrong answer.... they’re explaining why they like them or why they work well for them.
It's like songs that are written purely to make money, they're mediocre, people don't have to give them any thought yet they sell millions of copies. Then within a year no one cares and in twenty years time, it's only a handful of credible 'pop' songs that stand out. I see SUVs in the same way and I think many car fans do.
That's not to say all SUVs are bad or unnecessary but seeing a car park full of Mokkas, Kugas, Kadjars and Qashqais is quite uninspiring and I suspect in 20 years time they'll all be forgotten ready for the next trend!
I doubt any of them will last 20 years. I'm pretty sure cars aren't made to last that long. The cheap ones will become more and more unloved and neglected after each sale and some that I think are expensive and perhaps vulgar won't be serviced properly.
Horses for courses and all that but less is more in my book.
Horses for courses and all that but less is more in my book.
Alex_225 said:
That's not to say all SUVs are bad or unnecessary but seeing a car park full of Mokkas, Kugas, Kadjars and Qashqais is quite uninspiring and I suspect in 20 years time they'll all be forgotten ready for the next trend!
A car park of Astras, Mondeos, Meganes and Notes, or 320ds for that matter, is even less inspiring. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff