RE: Renaultsport Clio 200 | PH Fleet
Discussion
Jon_S_Rally said:
In reality, the Civic isn't really a competitor for the Clio at all, because it was a rival for the Megane, Focus etc etc. That being said, in used terms, they have become rivals for people, as they offer a similar package for a similar price.
Clio all day long for me though. The Civic does absolutely nothing for me.
Whereas I'm the complete opposite. CTR was my most desired car for years, but being young the insurance was more than double what it was on a Clio 182 (which was my second choice). In the end I went for a FF Clio 182.Clio all day long for me though. The Civic does absolutely nothing for me.
Not long bought back my original 182 FF that I owned from just 8k miles. I sold it for a Mini Works GP1 which was a massive let down.
The Clio was the only car I’ve ever sold which I regretted every single day of the 4 years I didn’t own it.
Absolutely mega car. My other car at time of original ownership was a 575bhp Impreza and now I have a manual Cayman R.
Yet I still bang on about my little cup chassis 182. There’s not a car within £10k I’d rather drive every day and I’m happy as a pig in s
t doing so. 
The Clio was the only car I’ve ever sold which I regretted every single day of the 4 years I didn’t own it.
Absolutely mega car. My other car at time of original ownership was a 575bhp Impreza and now I have a manual Cayman R.
Yet I still bang on about my little cup chassis 182. There’s not a car within £10k I’d rather drive every day and I’m happy as a pig in s
t doing so. Jon_S_Rally said:
The way they drive is different too. As the article says, the older car feels much more loose, while the later cars are very planted. While motoring journos will go on about adjustability, mobile rear ends and trail braking, who actually does that on a regular basis in the real world? On the shonky roads round my way, that adjustability and mobile rear end translates to a feeling of skipping across the road surface and often feeling nervous and like it wants to throw you into a hedge, while the later car feels planted and hugely confidence inspiring. Some people might like that nervousness, but I personally prefer the later car and would hustle one down the crappest B-road much quicker than I would a 1*2.
I think it very much comes down to personal preference as to which one you like the most. I adored my 172 Cup, it was probably my favourite of all the cars I have owned, even though it was among the cheapest but, when I recently found myself in the position of wanting a cheap car to run about in for a few months, buying another 1*2 didn't even cross my mind. They are more raw but, for a daily proposition, the 197/200 offers all of the thrills, but is bigger, has a better seating position, better gear shift, better comfort and is just a nicer car to live with. Even as a track car, I think I would probably still go down the 197/200 route now, given how cheap they are getting. I have actually just sold my rally car and am looking at what to replace it with and I am more likely to build a 197 than a 1*2. For me, it just gives you much more confidence to push and push.
Very much this. A 200 does the fun stuff better than a 182 and is a much nicer place to be for the mundane stuff.I think it very much comes down to personal preference as to which one you like the most. I adored my 172 Cup, it was probably my favourite of all the cars I have owned, even though it was among the cheapest but, when I recently found myself in the position of wanting a cheap car to run about in for a few months, buying another 1*2 didn't even cross my mind. They are more raw but, for a daily proposition, the 197/200 offers all of the thrills, but is bigger, has a better seating position, better gear shift, better comfort and is just a nicer car to live with. Even as a track car, I think I would probably still go down the 197/200 route now, given how cheap they are getting. I have actually just sold my rally car and am looking at what to replace it with and I am more likely to build a 197 than a 1*2. For me, it just gives you much more confidence to push and push.
Your comment on adjustability is spot on, the 200 inspires confidence and when the rear does start moving it very predictable.
I’d suggest Mr Lowden need to try a bit harder, it’s really not that difficult to achieve the adjustability that journos crave so much.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the brakes yet- they are pivotal to how the car is driven in that being considerably over braked, you can absolutely stomp on them into a corner, stand the car on its nose, turn in and then choose your angle of exit, it never gets old and always leaves me grinning.
The gearshift is excellent, evo had it in their top 10 manuals ever.
Will never sell mine
the MPG remarks always make me chuckle. When i used my 197 for work i was averaging between 30 and 32 most weeks....
i've seen nearly 40mpg on trips back from the ring with the cruise on (that's 500 miles to a tank roughly).
as for them being difficult to sell. I really do think it's the sellers perception of value which results in them hanging around forever.
i've seen nearly 40mpg on trips back from the ring with the cruise on (that's 500 miles to a tank roughly).
as for them being difficult to sell. I really do think it's the sellers perception of value which results in them hanging around forever.
BaronVonVaderham said:
Very much this. A 200 does the fun stuff better than a 182 and is a much nicer place to be for the mundane stuff.
Your comment on adjustability is spot on, the 200 inspires confidence and when the rear does start moving it very predictable.
I’d suggest Mr Lowden need to try a bit harder, it’s really not that difficult to achieve the adjustability that journos crave so much.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the brakes yet- they are pivotal to how the car is driven in that being considerably over braked, you can absolutely stomp on them into a corner, stand the car on its nose, turn in and then choose your angle of exit, it never gets old and always leaves me grinning.
The gearshift is excellent, evo had it in their top 10 manuals ever.
Will never sell mine
Sounds great - I need to try one clearly!Your comment on adjustability is spot on, the 200 inspires confidence and when the rear does start moving it very predictable.
I’d suggest Mr Lowden need to try a bit harder, it’s really not that difficult to achieve the adjustability that journos crave so much.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the brakes yet- they are pivotal to how the car is driven in that being considerably over braked, you can absolutely stomp on them into a corner, stand the car on its nose, turn in and then choose your angle of exit, it never gets old and always leaves me grinning.
The gearshift is excellent, evo had it in their top 10 manuals ever.
Will never sell mine
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15 largest markets of Groupe Renault – 2017
By volume and as a % of TIV, PCs + LCVs, incl. Renault, Dacia, Renault Samsung
Motors, and LADA
Sales Market share:
France 673,852 units, 26.44% market share
Russia 448,270 units, 28.02% market share
Germany 228,046 units, 6.14% market share
Italy 215,901 units, 9.98% market share
Spain 185,760 units, 12.95% market share
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thenortherner said:
soad said:
Chalk said:
Deep Thought said:
If someone is thinking of buying one, bear in mind they are quite difficult to resell, so make sure you buy at the right price in the first place.
Any truth in this ?Despite it being in great condition, low miles and a full main dealer history with thousands spent and a full file of invoices.
I had the usual mouth breathers ring up but nothing serious. One justified their offer saying that he was doing me a favour as I'd probably get what he was offering as a trade-in price.
Ended up selling to a private trader and it sold for £1K more that I'd priced it at 3 days later.
Edited by thenortherner on Monday 26th August 17:41
Read any reviews or forums and people say only get one with the Recaros, but then people wont often pay the premium for one with Recaros (often +£,£££) but wont buy a significantly cheaper one without them...
Edited by Deep Thought on Wednesday 28th August 18:00
Deep Thought said:
I think people are wary of them, so perhaps like the "security" of buying a performance french car from a dealer - some sort of warranty offering, trade in, finance perhaps, etc.
Read any reviews or forums and people say only get one with the Recaros, but then people wont often pay the premium for one with Recaros (often +£,£££) but wont buy a significantly cheaper one without them...
The Recaros aren't all that IMO.Read any reviews or forums and people say only get one with the Recaros, but then people wont often pay the premium for one with Recaros (often +£,£££) but wont buy a significantly cheaper one without them...
Edited by Deep Thought on Wednesday 28th August 18:00
Very hard, suffer from excessive wear on the right bolster from getting in and out, easily scratched on the back of the seat ...
The standard seats are fine. It's a snob thing.
I had one with Recaros.
Gearboxes are made of chocolate though.
I have enjoyed my 200 ff over the past few years,driving around the French countryside. A very capable car all round I think. It's my wife's work car really so it is equally happy on a short commute along with being able to get a full load of shopping in the boot.It will be for sale soon mind.
Nice cars.
Nice cars.
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