RE: Porsche Taycan sets production EV 'Ring record
Discussion
gigglebug said:
Yeah, you are probably right. Not necessarily relevant to this particular car, how many will track one anyway, but long-term will the implementation of such systems in future EV sports cars make it less enjoyable for the driver who values their own influence being the defining factor on the vehicle's ability to go faster? It just looks like, possibly wrongly on my behalf, that the main outcome of these systems will be to make it far easier for average drivers to replicate what good drivers are capable of. Not necessarily a bad thing as such. Of course they will also help a good driver achieve faster times but it's a slightly moot point if they aren't getting as much satisfaction out of it by doing so.
Maybe I've got it all wrong though.
You definitely have it all wrong. It’s a circle of contradictions whenever a car comes out, if it’s difficult to handle, people will say it’s a death trap and nobody will buy it. If it’s very easy to drive at speed, it’s ‘too good’ and makes the average driver think he’s a good one while ruining the experience as it’s ‘too easy’. Maybe I've got it all wrong though.
I’m sure the average buyer of this car will already have a 911 for his needs to drive fast and enjoy driving. If the Taycan is all that he wants and wants satisfaction when pressing on, that person can go and buy a E63S or M5 Competition and drive everywhere in RWD only.
This however never happens as the people who buy these cars want something fast and easy to go fast in should they want to. We’re not all driving gods!
Chestrockwell said:
You definitely have it all wrong. It’s a circle of contradictions whenever a car comes out, if it’s difficult to handle, people will say it’s a death trap and nobody will buy it. If it’s very easy to drive at speed, it’s ‘too good’ and makes the average driver think he’s a good one while ruining the experience as it’s ‘too easy’.
I’m sure the average buyer of this car will already have a 911 for his needs to drive fast and enjoy driving. If the Taycan is all that he wants and wants satisfaction when pressing on, that person can go and buy a E63S or M5 Competition and drive everywhere in RWD only.
This however never happens as the people who buy these cars want something fast and easy to go fast in should they want to. We’re not all driving gods!
You haven't read my post properly, I am clearly not talking about this car specifically. I'll let you read it again and if you still need further clarification I'll set aside more time to go through it with you. I’m sure the average buyer of this car will already have a 911 for his needs to drive fast and enjoy driving. If the Taycan is all that he wants and wants satisfaction when pressing on, that person can go and buy a E63S or M5 Competition and drive everywhere in RWD only.
This however never happens as the people who buy these cars want something fast and easy to go fast in should they want to. We’re not all driving gods!
Mean while china has taken the record for front wheel drive and 4 door car driving 7 minutes and 20.143 seconds beating the Project 8 by 2 secs and almost 20 seconds faster than the previous fastest front-wheel drive production car, the Renault Megane RS Trophy-R.
https://newatlas.com/automotive/cyan-racing-record...
Just how many PH would buy a china car is another matter.
https://newatlas.com/automotive/cyan-racing-record...
Just how many PH would buy a china car is another matter.
gigglebug said:
You haven't read my post properly, I am clearly not talking about this car specifically. I'll let you read it again and if you still need further clarification I'll set aside more time to go through it with you.
Do you actually talk like that to people in the real world? Some Gump said:
gigglebug said:
You haven't read my post properly, I am clearly not talking about this car specifically. I'll let you read it again and if you still need further clarification I'll set aside more time to go through it with you.
Do you actually talk like that to people in the real world? Naturally
ntiz said:
Do we know if it had an out lap or do more than one?
A big interest for me with this car was the claims that it’s high speed range would be a big improvement on the current offerings.
The IDR used about 25kWh to do its ring lap so the Taycan at that could do 3 before needing to recharge (if similar power usage) but I assume the last lap would be down on power.A big interest for me with this car was the claims that it’s high speed range would be a big improvement on the current offerings.
GTiWILL said:
An impressive time however I turned the video off after a few minutes. I found the lack of engine noise made it boring to watch.
Same here. I want to like electric cars.
I know they’re coming in a big way, they are the immediate future.
I have no doubt they’ll be faster than ICE cars.
I’m sure I’ll end up having one.
I’m just not very excited by them or find them in any way interesting.
Which is a shame.
It seems to be carrying a lot of mass which results in having to lift to get it turned-in on high-speed curves in the 190 - 230 km/h range.
It's terminal speed down Dottinger Hohe, approaching Mutkurve & the early braking prior to Schwedenkreuze all suggest significant mass which doesn't like changing direction.
It's terminal speed down Dottinger Hohe, approaching Mutkurve & the early braking prior to Schwedenkreuze all suggest significant mass which doesn't like changing direction.
Maybe it's the lack of engine-braking after a lift which I find so disconcerting about EV's being driven hard at tracks.
It seems that the weight-transfer on a closed throttle without the neutralising effect of engine & transmission drag makes it seem that it's coasting into corners at high speed with only positive throttle or brake activation impacting the balance, whereas in a RWD ICE car a lift can be used to significantly change weight transfer.
It seems that the weight-transfer on a closed throttle without the neutralising effect of engine & transmission drag makes it seem that it's coasting into corners at high speed with only positive throttle or brake activation impacting the balance, whereas in a RWD ICE car a lift can be used to significantly change weight transfer.
Penguinracer said:
Maybe it's the lack of engine-braking after a lift which I find so disconcerting about EV's being driven hard at tracks.
It seems that the weight-transfer on a closed throttle without the neutralising effect of engine & transmission drag makes it seem that it's coasting into corners at high speed with only positive throttle or brake activation impacting the balance, whereas in a RWD ICE car a lift can be used to significantly change weight transfer.
All controllable via software. They could just have it regen on a pre set speed based map and simulate the same thing. Hell, they could even have it engine break just the front or just the rear if they wanted.It seems that the weight-transfer on a closed throttle without the neutralising effect of engine & transmission drag makes it seem that it's coasting into corners at high speed with only positive throttle or brake activation impacting the balance, whereas in a RWD ICE car a lift can be used to significantly change weight transfer.
I'm guessing that the settings they opted for were the fastest, rather than the most fun. Porsche tend to be that way
Plate spinner said:
GTiWILL said:
An impressive time however I turned the video off after a few minutes. I found the lack of engine noise made it boring to watch.
Same here. I want to like electric cars.
I know they’re coming in a big way, they are the immediate future.
I have no doubt they’ll be faster than ICE cars.
I’m sure I’ll end up having one.
I’m just not very excited by them or find them in any way interesting.
Which is a shame.
My mother has a Hybrid RAV4 and honestly speaking, whenever I do drive it, I get back into my car and it feels ancient, it’s so much louder and it’s nowhere near as refined. This is a RAV by the way, nothing special. I wonder how a premium electric car will feel compared to a ICE powered equivalent. I won’t be driving an electric car for a while but to the general public, who don’t care about cars, like my mother are going in one direction and one direction only.
daveyc86 said:
GTiWILL said:
An impressive time however I turned the video off after a few minutes. I found the lack of engine noise made it boring to watch.
Likewise it lost me within 2 mins...You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
paua said:
I'm always surprised ( yeah my fault being naive thinking that you care about results rather than looks/ sounds etc) how many people value form ( eg noise) over function. How many race engineers, do you think give a fat rat's arse about anything other than winning?
You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
Oh I get it, we've 5 senses and hearing is one of them, as sensory input for an experience sound is certainly helpful. You'll probably complain about stitching colour, too.
Tried watching a movie without the dramatic music score?
I'm not sure it's so relevant to day to day driving of these but certainly missing part in the video entertainment
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