RE: Porsche 911 (992) Carrera | Driven

[GranCab]

Morphing slowly but surely into a 2 door Panamera ....

[WCZ]

no point in an S, the base carrera and a remap is the way to go

[ntiz]

WCZ said:

no point in an S, the base carrera and a remap is the way to go

Considering a lot of these will be daily’s. Chucking away the warranty straight off the bat might not be the brightest idea.

[geo1905]

Judging by some of the comments, I think some are missing the point here. The new version of the 911 is, in many ways, all the car you need, at least if you're reasonably wealthy and have no requirement for extra doors, seats, luggage capacity etc. For me, if I could afford it, it would be perfect....plenty of room for me and at least one passenger (that's enough !) plus room for two or three grand-children as well (that's plenty !) You could use it as a daily driver for commuting, weekend motoring, over to Europe, whatever. You know it's always going to start and run, even if not garaged, never miss a beat, but will require proper servicing. And it's going to be great to drive and look fantastic with that wonderful Porsche quality feel. Now, where's my nearest dealer ?

[mike150]

geo1905 said:

Judging by some of the comments, I think some are missing the point here. The new version of the 911 is, in many ways, all the car you need, at least if you're reasonably wealthy and have no requirement for extra doors, seats, luggage capacity etc. For me, if I could afford it, it would be perfect....plenty of room for me and at least one passenger (that's enough !) plus room for two or three grand-children as well (that's plenty !) You could use it as a daily driver for commuting, weekend motoring, over to Europe, whatever. You know it's always going to start and run, even if not garaged, never miss a beat, but will require proper servicing. And it's going to be great to drive and look fantastic with that wonderful Porsche quality feel. Now, where's my nearest dealer ?

Never miss a beat...................................I know a guy that just spent 95k on a 1 year old GTS and after 4 days of ownership the car dumped all its coolant and went away on a tow truck, seems the water pump bearing failed. Think he's still waiting on it coming back.

[Dale487]

geo1905 said:

Judging by some of the comments, I think some are missing the point here. The new version of the 911 is, in many ways, all the car you need, at least if you're reasonably wealthy and have no requirement for extra doors, seats, luggage capacity etc. For me, if I could afford it, it would be perfect....plenty of room for me and at least one passenger (that's enough !) plus room for two or three grand-children as well (that's plenty !) You could use it as a daily driver for commuting, weekend motoring, over to Europe, whatever. You know it's always going to start and run, even if not garaged, never miss a beat, but will require proper servicing. And it's going to be great to drive and look fantastic with that wonderful Porsche quality feel. Now, where's my nearest dealer ?

I feel the same, but would wait for the manual & I'm £80,000 short.

[Dale487]

anonymous said:

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But as has been said on here before; someone has to buy the car new for it to be the used car option/bargain in the future.

[WJNB]

Still a classic timeless profile especially from the rear the aspect most of us will see it from.
Never thought I'd read the words Porsche - 911 - basic in the same sentence though.

[drjdog]

Jon_S_Rally said:

The gold wheels on this are not good but, while they can easily be changed, the rear end can't. The new light design, the chunky lower bumper area, it all just looks a bit off to me. The rear of a 911 used to be clean and simple. This looks bulbous and fussy. Not good.

The gold wheels are an £800 option only on the bigger wheels.

I think they look great, but that's £2500 of options I wouldn't tick.

Totally agree that the rear bumper is odd. Rest of it I could live with.

[PGNSagaris]

Gorgeous looking car the 992.

Cab for me please. Ultimate daily.

[FestivAli]

I like the gold wheels chrome window surround and red paint look. But the weight. Yes I know it's pushing so much more horsepower but it weighs more than my old C class and Volvo 850 did. Seems if you want a proper porsche you are now looking at Caymans and Boxsters and if you want a late 70s malaise era esque personal luxury coupe the auto only 911 is for you. All it needs is Corinthian leather and portholes (which given the round shape may actually look good)

[Cheib]

mike150 said:

Baldchap said:

I test drove an S and for me, the 911 isn't a sports car any more. It's a really fast Audi A4 or VW Golf. They've managed to engineer all the involvement out of the drive.

Might be different on track, but at road speeds it didn't do it for me.

You're bang on here...…………...I love my current S3 Audi S-Tronic with a Revo upgrade but...………dull every day car.

I also love my Elise 220S...…………fun to drive car.

Modern cars are getting heavier and modern engineering, particularly electronics engineering is making driving very comfortable, very easy to go fast and very dull and bland.

The whole point of enjoying driving is to feel it, be involved, for that you need a simple, light car or a classic car as they are all simple and light!

Edited by mike150 on Thursday 29th August 11:10

Totally agree...drove an S and I thought it was dull but then the 991.2 S felt pretty dull too. They’re GT’s now rather than sports cars the Carrera/S. The VW analogy is a good one though as some of the interior materials feel like they came out of a Golf. I’ve got a 997.2 GTS and a 991.2 GT3....and have no desire to own a 992 of any sort.

Also despite the rave reviews from journalists judging by how hard Porsche are finding it to shift them that a lot of customers agree. 69 992’s for sale on the AUC site last I looked.

[cjm]

"With the 992 a more complex 911 than ever, could the best Carrera be a basic one?"

Has pretty much every new 911 review not said this since the 964?

[nunpuncher]

ash73 said:

Is the 911 just a status symbol for people who don't care about driving? Or does it now appeal to a different market? Or do people who like old 911s still like it? Because it does nothing for me, it looks disgusting.

I think the GT cars are where the enthusiasts will try to stretch themselves to now. I was watching some YouTubeist recently who mentioned 1/3rd of all 911 sold now are some sort of special edition ie GTS, T etc. The base cars do just seem like lifestyle/status symbols. The majority of online chatter I've read from people ordering is based around pointless options, the latest phone connectivity, number of exhausts etc.

A 911 with a "wet mode" FFS.

I also prefer the older cars. Even older water-cooled cars. The front end is too sharp now and the rear end is horrible with that massive expanse of featureless plastic below the lights (which are now too high). And that black insert around the exhaust looks like something off a Dacia.

[Terminator X]

Small Car said:

So the only difference to the S is the six pot brakes in the S and tweaked suspension with a different engine map? So add 200 brake via a remap and you’re still well ahead on price and power than the S if you can live with the brakes and suspension (which I suspect you won’t notice?).

Mentioned elsewhere that the S has bigger / better turbo's afaik. The standard one doesn't map up as well as Litchfield initially said

TX.

[Leftfootwonder]

It's the front end that bothers me. The 997 and 987s front bumper panel gap was well disguised by leading into the shape of the bonnet. This new one just has a massive straight line across the front which is awkward.

And is it just me or does anyone else feel uncomfortable when they see a 911 with the rear 'flap' open. Just looks wrong. I much prefer the Cayman style spoiler.

Edited by Leftfootwonder on Thursday 29th August 16:52

[PS2018]

agree rear flap when open on 991-992 not very elegant

[mcelliott]

Leftfootwonder said:

It's the front end that bothers me. The 997 and 987s front bumper panel gap was well disguised by leading into the shape of the bonnet. This new one just has a massive straight line across the front which is awkward.

And is it just me or does anyone else feel uncomfortable when they see a 911 with the rear 'flap' open. Just looks wrong. I much prefer the Cayman style spoiler.

Edited by Leftfootwonder on Thursday 29th August 16:52

Never feel uncomfortable when I see a flap open.

[Filibuster]

I had a little play with the configuartor (again), this time trying to be sensible:

http://www.porsche-code.com/PL3LYKP3

£ 85'800
It's a black Carrera, with black leather interior and a total in options of £ 3'007:

- Sports Exhaust @ 1'844
- LED Main Headlights @ 699
- Park Assist @ 464

The 4S I configured with some more options came to £ 142'278. £ 43'860 being options...

http://www.porsche-code.com/PL3LYKP3

[Terminator X]

Filibuster said:

I had a little play with the configuartor (again), this time trying to be sensible:

http://www.porsche-code.com/PL3LYKP3

£ 85'800
It's a black Carrera, with black leather interior and a total in options of £ 3'007:

- Sports Exhaust @ 1'844
- LED Main Headlights @ 699
- Park Assist @ 464

The 4S I configured with some more options came to £ 142'278. £ 43'860 being options...

http://www.porsche-code.com/PL3LYKP3

Both codes the same? I want to see the expensive one!

TX.