RE: BMW M4 departs with M Heritage Edition

[cerb4.5lee]

Augustus Windsock said:

I love M3s of any generation but I wonder if there’s any more PH’ers like each successive generation slightly less than the previous one.

I think a lot are like that. If you prefer a N/A engine then this generation won't appeal, also in the same way that the V8 engined previous generation didn't appeal to some because they prefer a straight six engine.

It is the out right performance of this model that attracts me to it, I can appreciate a N/A engine for sure but Turbos also really do it for me and the performance it offers for its weight really impresses me.

I thought that the E46 was over rated and I found it a bit of a disappointment to drive...yet I loved the E36 to drive and I thought that was just right(maybe the rose tints are on though).

The E30 never really interested me(although it is the only generation that I've not driven) because it had a 4 cylinder engine(I'm probably being too harsh on it though looking at the price they command).

[jimPH]

I've always liked this generation, would have been nice to see something a bit more special, but I suppose that would lean on the over priced GTS a bit too much

[aeropilot]

cerb4.5lee said:

I think a lot are like that. If you prefer a N/A engine then this generation won't appeal, also in the same way that the V8 engined previous generation didn't appeal to some because they prefer a straight six engine.

It is the out right performance of this model that attracts me to it, I can appreciate a N/A engine for sure but Turbos also really do it for me and the performance it offers for its weight really impresses me.

I thought that the E46 was over rated and I found it a bit of a disappointment to drive...yet I loved the E36 to drive and I thought that was just right(maybe the rose tints are on though).

The E30 never really interested me(although it is the only generation that I've not driven) because it had a 4 cylinder engine(I'm probably being too harsh on it though looking at the price they command).

Whereas for me, the E30 is the only one that really interests me, as it was the only that was designed from the outset as a homologation special. Was lucky enough to have had a few drives of a mates then only 6 month old E30 Roberto Ravaglia Edition that he owned.
That's one he wished he kept hold of.

[Welshbeef]

People say this about the E46 M3 CSL... and then suddenly it’s the best thing since sliced bread or he E46 M3 CS

[cerb4.5lee]

aeropilot said:

Whereas for me, the E30 is the only one that really interests me, as it was the only that was designed from the outset as a homologation special. Was lucky enough to have had a few drives of a mates then only 6 month old E30 Roberto Ravaglia Edition that he owned.
That's one he wished he kept hold of.

Yes and I need a go in one to be fair to see what all the fuss is about. I'm frustrated that it is the only generation of M3/4 that I haven't driven, although in the past I've usually gone for a car with a 6 cylinder engine or bigger.

In saying that though my S14a 200sx has been my favourite car that I've had to date and that was only a 4 cylinder engine...so the omens are good! I love the E30 shape and in my late teens the E30 325i was a bit of a hero car for me.

[Julian Thompson]

The thing is you don’t get to see cars in their retrospective context until they are gone.

[Welshbeef]

cerb4.5lee said:

Yes and I need a go in one to be fair to see what all the fuss is about. I'm frustrated that it is the only generation of M3/4 that I haven't driven, although in the past I've usually gone for a car with a 6 cylinder engine or bigger.

In saying that though my S14a 200sx has been my favourite car that I've had to date and that was only a 4 cylinder engine...so the omens are good! I love the E30 shape and in my late teens the E30 325i was a bit of a hero car for me.

Take a look at Harry’s garage on YouTube he has a sport Evo and tests normal versions. He reminisces about the past but does state you need to wring the nuts off it / part of the fun and that it’s really not that fast and never really was in outright speed but chassis perfection and a screamer N/a made it great.

[cerb4.5lee]

Welshbeef said:

Take a look at Harry’s garage on YouTube he has a sport Evo and tests normal versions. He reminisces about the past but does state you need to wring the nuts off it / part of the fun and that it’s really not that fast and never really was in outright speed but chassis perfection and a screamer N/a made it great.

Thanks. I've watched a few of his videos and really enjoyed them, but I've not seen that so I will give it a watch.

[Chestrockwell]

Welshbeef said:

People say this about the E46 M3 CSL... and then suddenly it’s the best thing since sliced bread or he E46 M3 CS

Yep! People moaned about the M3 going V8 and now it’s also the best thing since sliced bread.

Now when the G series M’s go AWD, people will look back at the M4 and say it was the best ever as it was so powerful and RWD.

In my eyes, whatever the latest is, is the one to have for me. I’d like to have a go in an E92 M3 or E46 M3 but I’d never buy one as they’re old cars now. I’ll say the same thing about the F series M3/M4 in 10 years time.

[IainR]

M2 Competition. Manual. M Performance alcantara steering wheel with the flashing LED lights that tell you when to change gear. That’s the 2019 M3 to have (imho).

[Welshbeef]

IainR said:

M2 Competition. Manual. M Performance alcantara steering wheel with the flashing LED lights that tell you when to change gear. That’s the 2019 M3 to have (imho).

That’s a 1M successor not a 3/4 M car is it.

[aeropilot]

Welshbeef said:

IainR said:

M2 Competition. Manual. M Performance alcantara steering wheel with the flashing LED lights that tell you when to change gear. That’s the 2019 M3 to have (imho).

That’s a 1M successor not a 3/4 M car is it.

But the 1M was the real M3 successor given the size expansion of the M3 by then. A M4 is only 50mm shorter than an E34 M5!

[Julian Thompson]

Well I love my manual M4 comp and I wouldn’t swap it for a V8 earlier one or a four cylinder one or any other one. Those are all great cars but sometimes you just have to draw a line in the sand and realise that if you liked it when you bought it and learned it’s foibles there is no reason not to like it as the time passes.

Also, interestingly, most really desirable cars from the past have pretty notable flaws that become part of that endearing character. The M4 is a big hairy turbo beast with a manual box and the ability to spin it’s wheels in most of its gears. It’s Germany’s Mustang and I love it for that. Also, when you get used to it you can lean on it very heavily and it’ll fire itself up a twisty at a pace that’s knocking on the door of stuff that it has no right to knock on the door of.

Obviously the fact that the steering around the straight ahead on the motorway has the accuracy of a world war 2 Jeep kind of spoils the party a bit, but like I say, it’s character....

[Welshbeef]

aeropilot said:

But the 1M was the real M3 successor given the size expansion of the M3 by then. A M4 is only 50mm shorter than an E34 M5!

But it’s not is it

[E65Ross]

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aeropilot said:

But the 1M was the real M3 successor given the size expansion of the M3 by then. A M4 is only 50mm shorter than an E34 M5!

And the E34 M5 was bigger than the E28. Meh.

[aeropilot]

Welshbeef said:

aeropilot said:

But the 1M was the real M3 successor given the size expansion of the M3 by then. A M4 is only 50mm shorter than an E34 M5!

But it’s not is it

[Welshbeef]

Julian Thompson said:

Well I love my manual M4 comp and I wouldn’t swap it for a V8 earlier one or a four cylinder one or any other one. Those are all great cars but sometimes you just have to draw a line in the sand and realise that if you liked it when you bought it and learned it’s foibles there is no reason not to like it as the time passes.

Also, interestingly, most really desirable cars from the past have pretty notable flaws that become part of that endearing character. The M4 is a big hairy turbo beast with a manual box and the ability to spin it’s wheels in most of its gears. It’s Germany’s Mustang and I love it for that. Also, when you get used to it you can lean on it very heavily and it’ll fire itself up a twisty at a pace that’s knocking on the door of stuff that it has no right to knock on the door of.

Obviously the fact that the steering around the straight ahead on the motorway has the accuracy of a world war 2 Jeep kind of spoils the party a bit, but like I say, it’s character....

I drove the M4 at Palmer day in Bedford a lot of fun the front end was epic.

I much prefer the noise of the C63 W205 though.
Wouldn’t mind either though.

[Julian Thompson]

You really want both. I was looking to see if the steering could be twiddled. I think a bit more caster would help...

[epom]

Do all those lovely seats come ruined with that writing ?

[Welshbeef]

aeropilot said:

Why didn’t you give that response to E63 Ross too - we said the same thing..