RE: Porsche Taycan | Official reveal!
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That takes the f
k-ugly rule book, tears it up, and writes a whole new one, only this time it's got twice as many pages.That thing is utterly, utterly horrific looking, inside and out. I'd go so far as to say it's actually crass.
And at nearly 2.5 tonnes, and only 280 mile range, how is this moving anything on at all?
k-ugly rule book, tears it up, and writes a whole new one, only this time it's got twice as many pages.That thing is utterly, utterly horrific looking, inside and out. I'd go so far as to say it's actually crass.And at nearly 2.5 tonnes, and only 280 mile range, how is this moving anything on at all?
I've not a problem with the car.
I bet it will be great to travel in and straight line performance will be mind blowing.
I also love electric cars having a PHEV and an EV.
But my problem is electric cars at this price range are pointless and have limited appeal. Any fuel saving are unbalanced by the upfront cost and options. Also in the real world (HVAC, lights, stop start, winter temps and using performance,etc) the range will be 150-200miles.
In the Honda EV for example, not a problem as the lease / purchase cost is much less and its car to nip about it. In something like this it seriously limits the appeal.
Also for those who believe 100kVA - 250kW chargers will soon be popping up on every street corner - think again.
I bet it will be great to travel in and straight line performance will be mind blowing.
I also love electric cars having a PHEV and an EV.
But my problem is electric cars at this price range are pointless and have limited appeal. Any fuel saving are unbalanced by the upfront cost and options. Also in the real world (HVAC, lights, stop start, winter temps and using performance,etc) the range will be 150-200miles.
In the Honda EV for example, not a problem as the lease / purchase cost is much less and its car to nip about it. In something like this it seriously limits the appeal.
Also for those who believe 100kVA - 250kW chargers will soon be popping up on every street corner - think again.
Edited by Big GT on Wednesday 4th September 17:56
ntiz said:
That’s both my Tesla’s getting replaced then.
To answer some of the questions of why is this better. Obviously this is just guessing:
Better built. Not hard achieve I grant you.
Better to drive. Tesla although not bad aren’t great either. Brakes and steering are pretty poor for the money. Having driven a Cayenne and Panamera recently I would expect this to be pretty impressive to drive.
Performance. I had to get some where in a hurry the other day in my Tesla had yellow triangles and the power halved within 10 mins of 90+ plus driving. Porsche have made it very clear and proven that there’s won’t be having that issue.
Range. 280 miles doesn’t look great it will depend how it does them. If it can 280 miles on the motorway at 90 that would be a step forward. If it loses a big chunk will be disappointing. I do believe the 2 speed rear axle is there to facilitate better range at speed. Time will tell.
Charging network. This is where I see the biggest problem if it’s not reliable or not enough chapters will ruin the car. For me at least. I use the Tesla network weekly. It is absolutely brilliant Porsche have to match it. I hope they do.
Just my opinion/hopes and expectations.
Perhaps you’d get more range if you stuck to the speed limit instead of thinking it’s ok to hoof up the motorway at 90?To answer some of the questions of why is this better. Obviously this is just guessing:
Better built. Not hard achieve I grant you.
Better to drive. Tesla although not bad aren’t great either. Brakes and steering are pretty poor for the money. Having driven a Cayenne and Panamera recently I would expect this to be pretty impressive to drive.
Performance. I had to get some where in a hurry the other day in my Tesla had yellow triangles and the power halved within 10 mins of 90+ plus driving. Porsche have made it very clear and proven that there’s won’t be having that issue.
Range. 280 miles doesn’t look great it will depend how it does them. If it can 280 miles on the motorway at 90 that would be a step forward. If it loses a big chunk will be disappointing. I do believe the 2 speed rear axle is there to facilitate better range at speed. Time will tell.
Charging network. This is where I see the biggest problem if it’s not reliable or not enough chapters will ruin the car. For me at least. I use the Tesla network weekly. It is absolutely brilliant Porsche have to match it. I hope they do.
Just my opinion/hopes and expectations.
Could say a lot about that but I’ve seen to many ‘life-altering’ or indeed ‘life-ending’ rtc’s causes by excess speed.
Anyhoo, I’ll pick up on the charging issue, as I alluded to, I wonder what Porsche recommend about charging?
Will repeated charges when the car is nearly empty of electrickety shorten battery life, or charging when there’s still 50% range left?
Only asking as I’m currently watching ‘Dave’ where the 3 amigos EVs and Clarkson ponders just the same issue.
Augustus Windsock said:
ntiz said:
That’s both my Tesla’s getting replaced then.
To answer some of the questions of why is this better. Obviously this is just guessing:
Better built. Not hard achieve I grant you.
Better to drive. Tesla although not bad aren’t great either. Brakes and steering are pretty poor for the money. Having driven a Cayenne and Panamera recently I would expect this to be pretty impressive to drive.
Performance. I had to get some where in a hurry the other day in my Tesla had yellow triangles and the power halved within 10 mins of 90+ plus driving. Porsche have made it very clear and proven that there’s won’t be having that issue.
Range. 280 miles doesn’t look great it will depend how it does them. If it can 280 miles on the motorway at 90 that would be a step forward. If it loses a big chunk will be disappointing. I do believe the 2 speed rear axle is there to facilitate better range at speed. Time will tell.
Charging network. This is where I see the biggest problem if it’s not reliable or not enough chapters will ruin the car. For me at least. I use the Tesla network weekly. It is absolutely brilliant Porsche have to match it. I hope they do.
Just my opinion/hopes and expectations.
Perhaps you’d get more range if you stuck to the speed limit instead of thinking it’s ok to hoof up the motorway at 90?To answer some of the questions of why is this better. Obviously this is just guessing:
Better built. Not hard achieve I grant you.
Better to drive. Tesla although not bad aren’t great either. Brakes and steering are pretty poor for the money. Having driven a Cayenne and Panamera recently I would expect this to be pretty impressive to drive.
Performance. I had to get some where in a hurry the other day in my Tesla had yellow triangles and the power halved within 10 mins of 90+ plus driving. Porsche have made it very clear and proven that there’s won’t be having that issue.
Range. 280 miles doesn’t look great it will depend how it does them. If it can 280 miles on the motorway at 90 that would be a step forward. If it loses a big chunk will be disappointing. I do believe the 2 speed rear axle is there to facilitate better range at speed. Time will tell.
Charging network. This is where I see the biggest problem if it’s not reliable or not enough chapters will ruin the car. For me at least. I use the Tesla network weekly. It is absolutely brilliant Porsche have to match it. I hope they do.
Just my opinion/hopes and expectations.
Could say a lot about that but I’ve seen to many ‘life-altering’ or indeed ‘life-ending’ rtc’s causes by excess speed.
Anyhoo, I’ll pick up on the charging issue, as I alluded to, I wonder what Porsche recommend about charging?
Will repeated charges when the car is nearly empty of electrickety shorten battery life, or charging when there’s still 50% range left?
Only asking as I’m currently watching ‘Dave’ where the 3 amigos EVs and Clarkson ponders just the same issue.
I'm not going to even bother on your other point.
Given that a normal Panamera has a kerb weight of "1,770–2,055 kg" according to Wiki, i don't see the problem with this car, and of course, having a fully bi-directional powertrain, in terms of economy it only actually weighs 630 kg equivalent.
Lets face it:
1) it's fast as it needs to be (far faster than anyone needs), and faster than the equivalent ICE model
2) it looks like the other large porsches (personal taste it you like or dislike those looks)
3) it'll be far cheaper to run than an equivalent performance porsche
4) it'll be far cheaper to service and look after due to a lack of moving parts
5) You'll be able to drive it in city centres
6) pretty much 100% if the people who can afford a £130k car will have a drive and hence can get a personal charger installed, and 250 miles range is plenty when you car starts every day with a full "tank"
But I wouldn't call it a pure sports car, in the same way as i wouldn't call the Panamera a pure sports car either.......
Lets face it:
1) it's fast as it needs to be (far faster than anyone needs), and faster than the equivalent ICE model
2) it looks like the other large porsches (personal taste it you like or dislike those looks)
3) it'll be far cheaper to run than an equivalent performance porsche
4) it'll be far cheaper to service and look after due to a lack of moving parts
5) You'll be able to drive it in city centres
6) pretty much 100% if the people who can afford a £130k car will have a drive and hence can get a personal charger installed, and 250 miles range is plenty when you car starts every day with a full "tank"
But I wouldn't call it a pure sports car, in the same way as i wouldn't call the Panamera a pure sports car either.......
Paid my deposit...don’t want one of the Turbo models....don’t need that performance.
As I understand it there will be two models below the Turbo and Turbo S. I think it’ll be phenominally successful, for me it’s not just about it being an EV it’s about it being something fun to drive and yes the build quality especially of the interior makes a difference to me.
I think for the first couple of years it’ll be a relatively cheap car to own...from what I have heard they will have an order book equivalent to the first two years UK production pretty quickly. Expected UK allocation is circa 2500 cars a year so not massive.
We do a lot of miles but never more than 100 or 150 miles in a day in the car this will be replacing so it’s range is fine for us. Couldn’t care about 0-60 times once you get below 5 secs to 60mph that’s plenty!
As I understand it there will be two models below the Turbo and Turbo S. I think it’ll be phenominally successful, for me it’s not just about it being an EV it’s about it being something fun to drive and yes the build quality especially of the interior makes a difference to me.
I think for the first couple of years it’ll be a relatively cheap car to own...from what I have heard they will have an order book equivalent to the first two years UK production pretty quickly. Expected UK allocation is circa 2500 cars a year so not massive.
We do a lot of miles but never more than 100 or 150 miles in a day in the car this will be replacing so it’s range is fine for us. Couldn’t care about 0-60 times once you get below 5 secs to 60mph that’s plenty!
Max_Torque said:
But I wouldn't call it a pure sports car, in the same way as i wouldn't call the Panamera a pure sports car either.......
I'd call it a very heavy GT that you actually can't use as a true GT...because you can't go that far in it. I'm quite confused by it in fairness, it is too heavy to be called sporty and it lacks range to be called a GT...so what actually is it? Apart from ugly and misbadged.
Max_Torque said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I'd call it a very heavy GT that you actually can't use as a true GT...because you can't go that far in it.
Sorry, i must have missed why you can't drive it far?Personally I don't see the problem with the turbo moniker. It's been a trim level for some time. The 911 Carrera is a turbo but doesn't have turbo written on it.
The old Audi S4 said V6T on the side, yet it was supercharged, along with the 3.0 TFSI.
BMW and Mercedes model names used to denote the engine size, they haven't for 10 or 15 years.
I'm sure they will sell them by the bucket load even though quoting lower running costs on a car that costs over 100k is a bit 'ludicrous'.
The old Audi S4 said V6T on the side, yet it was supercharged, along with the 3.0 TFSI.
BMW and Mercedes model names used to denote the engine size, they haven't for 10 or 15 years.
I'm sure they will sell them by the bucket load even though quoting lower running costs on a car that costs over 100k is a bit 'ludicrous'.
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