RE: Land Rover Defender walkaround | Frankfurt 2019

RE: Land Rover Defender walkaround | Frankfurt 2019

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The Vambo

3,749 posts

86 months

Wednesday 11th September
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skyrover said:
Not even suitable for farm work let alone the military.
The old Defender wasn't even suitable for the Military, good to see they've carried on the tradition.

Sa Calobra

28,908 posts

156 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Brooking10 said:
I’ll save you the wait.

None.

JLR don’t need to or want to.

Do you still lament the fact that Rolls Royce no longer sell armoured cars to the army too ?
It's lost its soul and become an apple product.

It'll appeal to someone who waxes his chest.

Why couldn't they stick closer to the original ethos?


Edited by Sa Calobra on Wednesday 11th September 22:43

smartypants

41,088 posts

114 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Sa Calobra said:
It's lost its soul and become an apple product.

It's a type of 'rugged' for those who go to David Lloyd Gyms and wax their chests.

Why couldn't they stick closer to the original ethos?
Because health and safety. No one can design a fking car anymore. It's impossible, which is why the selling points are no longer design cues, they are what media entertainment they have. And whether it posts to Instagram automatically.

Tell me the last well designed attractive car in the last 15 years.

Lester H

938 posts

50 months

Wednesday 11th September
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skyrover said:
NomduJour said:
Is that why the internet is awash with pictures of various pickups with bent chassis inflicted by towing and carrying things?
Well it's pretty hard to post pictures of broken monocoque pickups since there is bugger all of them.
Only one of these snaps in two....no names, no pack drill. Most are hardy tough and a bit dull I.e. just what traditional a Defender buyers need.

NomduJour

14,450 posts

204 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Sa Calobra said:
Why couldn't they stick closer to the original ethos?
a) JLR aren’t in a position to develop, build and sell a high volume/low margin utility vehicle to compete on a global scale; and
b) that’s what only a very small number people want, and most of those wouldn’t buy one in any case - they’d just whine about it on the internet

The Vambo

3,749 posts

86 months

Wednesday 11th September
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smartypants said:
Because health and safety. No one can design a fking car anymore. It's impossible, which is why the selling points are no longer design cues, they are what media entertainment they have. And whether it posts to Instagram automatically.

Tell me the last well designed attractive car in the last 15 years.
Do you find joy in anything anymore?

smartypants

41,088 posts

114 months

Wednesday 11th September
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The Vambo said:
Do you find joy in anything anymore?
Absolutely.

Anything pre 2008.

The Vambo

3,749 posts

86 months

Wednesday 11th September
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smartypants said:
The Vambo said:
Do you find joy in anything anymore?
Absolutely.

Anything pre 2008.
Did you wear an onion on your belt back then, 'cos that was the fashion?

smartypants

41,088 posts

114 months

Wednesday 11th September
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The Vambo said:
Did you wear an onion on your belt back then, 'cos that was the fashion?
How old are you?

The Vambo

3,749 posts

86 months

Wednesday 11th September
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smartypants said:
The Vambo said:
Did you wear an onion on your belt back then, 'cos that was the fashion?
How old are you?
40 this year.

What did you do in the war?

ClaphamGT3

7,665 posts

188 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Am I the only one looking at that and thinking, for what I'd use it for, I'd rather have the best Disco 3 GS manual I could find and a b*stard lot of change?

Hairymonster

466 posts

50 months

Thursday 12th September
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ClaphamGT3 said:
Am I the only one looking at that and thinking, for what I'd use it for, I'd rather have the best Disco 3 GS manual I could find and a b*stard lot of change?
And your local garage repair centre with pickup truck on speed-dial

Shakermaker

9,549 posts

45 months

Thursday 12th September
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The Vambo said:
Did you wear an onion on your belt back then, 'cos that was the fashion?
Gimme 5 bees for a quarter, you'd say.

100SRV

1,527 posts

187 months

Thursday 12th September
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NomduJour said:
Is that why the internet is awash with pictures of various pickups with bent chassis inflicted by towing and carrying things?
Because the chassis on those is of shallow vertical section and only boxed in certain places, mostly C section.The traditional Land-Rover chassis is fully boxed and has relatively deep sides.

The Vambo

3,749 posts

86 months

Thursday 12th September
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Shakermaker said:
The Vambo said:
Did you wear an onion on your belt back then, 'cos that was the fashion?
Gimme 5 bees for a quarter, you'd say.
laugh

Lester H

938 posts

50 months

Thursday 12th September
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Lester H said:
Brooking10 said:
Sa Calobra said:
It's carrying on the discovery look for the LR family look.

I'm not a fan. It looks targeted at the Hale village/Cheshire crowd.

Let's see how many the army order for front line duties.
I’ll save you the wait.

None.

JLR don’t need to or want to.

Do you still lament the fact that Rolls Royce no longer sell armoured cars to the army too ?
Hale, Sale, Altrincham, Macclesfield and Knutsford are all excellent markets (as are Esher, Virginia Water etc...). However, and this is a serious “however”, are thousands of farmers worldwide, going to buy this? Will omit armies if you wish, but..... If ‘armies’ sounds too aggressive then consider utility companies, big builders’ site managers, posh suburban contract gardeners, rural vets etc, etc.They won’t go for an expensive Disco .This market is cynical and hard headed.


Edited by Lester H on Wednesday 11th September 22:40


Edited by Lester H on Wednesday 11th September 22:53

Shakermaker

9,549 posts

45 months

Thursday 12th September
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A rural vet will probably have a Ranger with a Truckman hard top, if they do farms, or maybe a Skoda Octavia Scout if they do kittens and hamsters and medium size dogs?

300bhp/ton

37,184 posts

135 months

Thursday 12th September
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Jonny TVR said:
I wonder how the new model will impact on the original defender values
As they have ended up as such different vehicles, I'm not sure it'll impact it much either way tbh.

I can't see many people desiring the old one to then switch to this as an alternative or vice versa. It just isn't an alternative. It's a very different type of vehicle.

300bhp/ton

37,184 posts

135 months

Thursday 12th September
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cheddar said:
Looks great but as I'm a technophobe and deeply unfashionable luddite my money's going on this

Just such a shame they look so minging frown

300bhp/ton

37,184 posts

135 months

Thursday 12th September
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Hairymonster said:
I can see the appeal - it's the rugged tonka toy thing.
Tonka toy has been mentioned a few times across the different Defender threads. But I don't get it. This new Defender is about the least looking "Tonka toy" 4x4. It looks very urbanised if anything with lots of posing trim. But Tonka toy..... confused