MP`s want a ban on cars parking on pavements.
Discussion
I live in a new estate and our road suffers from the same problem.
I’ve got an allocated space and only have one car so that’s me sorted but the road is strewn with cars most of its length.
But here’s the kicker...I don’t mind.
It creates a slalom which slows everyone down to a reasonable speed far more effectively than sticking up 20 mph signs (which our road is).
I’ve got an allocated space and only have one car so that’s me sorted but the road is strewn with cars most of its length.
But here’s the kicker...I don’t mind.
It creates a slalom which slows everyone down to a reasonable speed far more effectively than sticking up 20 mph signs (which our road is).
When I bought my first and current house I made sure that I had enough spaces. What I didn't consider is my neighbors not having exactly the same amount of parking
I live in a new 3 story town house with a garage, a space outside of the garage and a dedicated parking space. My neighbor who has exactly the same house has 1 dedicated parking space and a garage (filled with junk). This is the same for most of my neighbors which makes parking a real bd. Everyone who is short of a space will pinch a visitor space, which makes it tricky when others have friends / family over.
What really grinds my gears are my neighbors who have long wheelbase vans. There is literally no room for them and they're always parked badly.
Both my gf and I have vowed to never buy a house in an new estate, instead we will go for an older house with off street parking, mainly so I can have more toys..
I live in a new 3 story town house with a garage, a space outside of the garage and a dedicated parking space. My neighbor who has exactly the same house has 1 dedicated parking space and a garage (filled with junk). This is the same for most of my neighbors which makes parking a real bd. Everyone who is short of a space will pinch a visitor space, which makes it tricky when others have friends / family over.
What really grinds my gears are my neighbors who have long wheelbase vans. There is literally no room for them and they're always parked badly.
Both my gf and I have vowed to never buy a house in an new estate, instead we will go for an older house with off street parking, mainly so I can have more toys..
Edited by Pig benis on Thursday 12th September 07:32
Pig benis said:
Both my gf and I have vowed to never buy a house in an new estate, instead we will go for an older house with off street parking, mainly so I can have more toys..
Understand completely, however the solution isn't necessarily just the age of the estates.My parents still live in the house that I grew up in that was built in the 1960s.
Looking back at old pictures, the street was near empty when I was young, and through time, most sacrificed front gardens to widen their driveways when the norm pushed towards two cars per household. The time came then when us younglings grew up and bought cars, however were yet to fly the nest, and the norm stretched to 2.5 cars per house.
Even now, in that street, where most houses are still owned by the same generation, the road is jam packed as many have added a caravan or a motorhome to the fleet
A small holding with a large barn full of cars, bikes and karts is what we all need and deserve!!
Pan Pan Pan said:
I put this note up on the bad parking thread but wondered if it should not have a thread of its own.
On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Which MPs? (note no apostrophe needed for the plural) Where have you got this from?On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:49
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:50
sjg said:
In Japan you have to prove you have off-street parking (either at your house or rented close by) in order to buy a car in the first place. No overnight street parking.
If you have to park on the pavement to allow enough space for emergency vehicles, then don't park there. Go further away and walk.
If only that were possible in every case.If you have to park on the pavement to allow enough space for emergency vehicles, then don't park there. Go further away and walk.
In some areas, you might have to walk a few miles with kids & shopping, while having two wheels on a pavement would have no negative impact. Its all about people thinking.
And thats in short supply.
Pothole said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I put this note up on the bad parking thread but wondered if it should not have a thread of its own.
On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Which MPs? (note no apostrophe needed for the plural) Where have you got this from?On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:49
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:50
But they mentioned that some old folks and disabled people have been effectively imprisoned by bad parking in some areas.
So it’s not for nothing.
Our estate has everyone parking on the pavements, me included.
Can't see the problem in such a place to be quite honest, there's enough pavement left to walk down quite easily?
We have 1 allocated space but 3 cars (soon to be 2 but still!), plus our neighbour has a drive, garage and 5 old bangers that are all parked on the road/pavement.
There just isn't the space to park all cars off the road completely, don't quite see why it's a problem anyway unless you block the pavement completely?
Can't see the problem in such a place to be quite honest, there's enough pavement left to walk down quite easily?
We have 1 allocated space but 3 cars (soon to be 2 but still!), plus our neighbour has a drive, garage and 5 old bangers that are all parked on the road/pavement.
There just isn't the space to park all cars off the road completely, don't quite see why it's a problem anyway unless you block the pavement completely?
bobtail4x4 said:
park in a carpark somewhere?
That is partly the point. If the councils want to avoid people parking on the roads they should insist on properly sized visitor parking areas accessible to the houses being visited being made available as being an integral part of an estates design. However many do not, and if anything seem to want to make parking (even for the actual residents of an estate difficult or not even available because polar bears.. they can hardly be surprised if they do this and then discover that people are having to park partially on the pavement.On many estates the pavements are totally deserted for 95% of the time, (there could be a parking time zone so that when the pavements are most likely to be used by pedestrians e.g getting kids to school cars should be kept off them. Alternatively studies to determine the actual use levels of both the roads and pavements could be carried out to determine what ratio of road width to pavement width offers the most efficient use of the available space .In some areas this may result in wider pavements and narrower carriageways, whilst in others the reverse might be true.
No matter what is done making such changes is likely to be very expensive in an overcrowded UK.
It is no good saying there are too many cars, when the real root of the problem is that there are too many people trying to live in too small a space. In this case there always will be such problems.
Pothole said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I put this note up on the bad parking thread but wondered if it should not have a thread of its own.
On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Which MPs? (note no apostrophe needed for the plural) Where have you got this from?On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:49
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:50
swisstoni said:
Pothole said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
I put this note up on the bad parking thread but wondered if it should not have a thread of its own.
On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Which MPs? (note no apostrophe needed for the plural) Where have you got this from?On the face of it stopping cars from parking on pavements is a good thing, but as usual it is not as simple an issue as politicians seem to think it is.
Too many estates are designed to the minimum standards as developers try to squeeze the maximum number of hutches onto the smallest space, and this includes 1. the access roads, and 2. the provision of visitors parking areas.
When they design these estates do they not consider, that at some points in time other people than, the people living in the hutches will have relatives, and friends visiting them, not forgetting delivery vehicles, fire engines and ambulances etc that require some level of access to the hutches.
Many estate roads are so narrow, and have no provision for visitor parking, where can visiting people park?
I say this because as posted elsewhere when visiting my brother I had the choice of parking with two wheels on the pavement, or parking fully on the road, which would leave little if no room for even cars, let alone delivery vehicles of heaven forbid emergency vehicles to get through.
A pedestrian walking by said I should not be doing that, and I had to agree with him, but when I asked him where the visitor parking areas were, he looked at me like I had just come down from another planet
A survey need to be carried out to determine how the maximum value from the available space can be achieved. Some pavements seem to have very little foot traffic, so if foot traffic in that area is not great the ration between pavement width and road width could be adjusted accordingly, in order to bias the available space to those who use it the most.
If pedestrian traffic exceeds vehicle traffic , then it is the pavement width. which must be increased
I am sure that an efficient ratio could be achieved, but what would the cost of implementing the findings of such a survey be to the economy?
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:49
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 11th September 10:50
But they mentioned that some old folks and disabled people have been effectively imprisoned by bad parking in some areas.
So it’s not for nothing.
Hol said:
I am sure I have read on here before (and it could have been 8th hand information), that the government planners have stipulated that the parking spaces and road width for new developments are limited on purpose, to force people into only have one vehicle per household. People got creative instead and use the pavements.
If true, this new rule suggests an attempt to force people into complying with that flawed initial assumption that a lack of spaces would stop people buying extra cars.
It's also a proposal that quickly falls victim to the accusation that the planners who conjure these things up as well as the MPs who push them onto the statute books aren't the people who have to live in terraced narrow streets, or new builds in Swindon - they all live in comfy detached houses with spacious drives and double garages.If true, this new rule suggests an attempt to force people into complying with that flawed initial assumption that a lack of spaces would stop people buying extra cars.
Baldchap said:
Highway code 244:
You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it.
Pavement parking allowed in London here:You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it.
https://goo.gl/maps/7UYNJNYWF6zGeQm8A
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