RE: Porsche Taycan | Driven
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Sandpit Steve said:
but clearly it looks like we're now going to end up with multiple, competing, standards - which will be a right pain in the arse that adds barriers to more widespead adoption of EVs.
There's the rub. Some good to amazing EV vehicles being developed and released now, but a very small infrastructure to support the day-to-day hassle-free running of them. I could almost push an ICE car to a near-by petrol station (most of the time), but do I want to take a detour of 30 miles+ to go and charge my EV and wait for an hour+ to do so? If I have a return journey of more than 300 miles, I'm going to have to do some serious planning on how I get there and back, where I need to go if the battery gets low on charge and how much longer the days will become while I wait for enough extra ooomph to get home.
EV's to me are still city or local cars only at the moment and I don't need 0-60mph in X seconds around most towns.
I find the range and infrastructure argument a curious one......we own an i3, we've had it for 3 years, not once have we come close to running out of range. You buy an `EV for a purpose, and for the i3 that was a to b in comfort, using no petrol when sat in traffic and enjoying a turn of pace when needed. Needles to say the wife loves it more than any previous car owned. Now that said, would i recommend it for a motorway commute, absolutely not, would i take it to cornwall, no i'd have to charge at least once, so we have another car to serve that purpose....but thats no different to any other car, if i had a 911, a Corsa or other small or sporty car, i wouldnt try to go to cornwall with the family either...
I have a much bigger issue with the new crop of electric cars. I have a Golf R, I want to go electric for my 70 mile a day commute.....BUT my Golf costs me £380 a month, and roughly the same again in fuel. I cannot get into an iPace, Model 3, or similar (in a spec i'd actually tolerate) for anywhere near that money AND electric cars are more to insure, over 40k so you pay tax, AND don't forget unlike the i3's tiny battery, the iPace for example has a monster battery and as a result is circa £13-15 a charge, meaning for me, i'd be looking at a minimum of £75-£100 a month of charging costs.
Unless you want to drive a space ship looking, nasty quality electric car like a Kona/Leaf etc, for me they make no financial sense at all. Sad really, appetite is there, the cars aren't.
I have a much bigger issue with the new crop of electric cars. I have a Golf R, I want to go electric for my 70 mile a day commute.....BUT my Golf costs me £380 a month, and roughly the same again in fuel. I cannot get into an iPace, Model 3, or similar (in a spec i'd actually tolerate) for anywhere near that money AND electric cars are more to insure, over 40k so you pay tax, AND don't forget unlike the i3's tiny battery, the iPace for example has a monster battery and as a result is circa £13-15 a charge, meaning for me, i'd be looking at a minimum of £75-£100 a month of charging costs.
Unless you want to drive a space ship looking, nasty quality electric car like a Kona/Leaf etc, for me they make no financial sense at all. Sad really, appetite is there, the cars aren't.
Chubbyross said:
cerb4.5lee said:
A SUV is bad enough at that weight and almost everyone seems to dislike those.
Er, have you looked around on the roads recently?cookie1600 said:
Sandpit Steve said:
but clearly it looks like we're now going to end up with multiple, competing, standards - which will be a right pain in the arse that adds barriers to more widespead adoption of EVs.
There's the rub. Some good to amazing EV vehicles being developed and released now, but a very small infrastructure to support the day-to-day hassle-free running of them. I could almost push an ICE car to a near-by petrol station (most of the time), but do I want to take a detour of 30 miles+ to go and charge my EV and wait for an hour+ to do so? If I have a return journey of more than 300 miles, I'm going to have to do some serious planning on how I get there and back, where I need to go if the battery gets low on charge and how much longer the days will become while I wait for enough extra ooomph to get home.
EV's to me are still city or local cars only at the moment and I don't need 0-60mph in X seconds around most towns.
They'll sell loads in London, as they're exempt from the congestion charge and new LEZ charge which affects a lot of existing SUVs, especially diesels.
The range issues won't go away until there's as many charge points on the motorways and in city centres, as there are petrol pumps. No-one with a £100k car is going to do a trip where they *might* get stuck in a queue for a 30 minute charge on the way to their meeting.
Nerdherder said:
Bo_apex said:
£138K
22 minute pee breaks
So perfect for leaky elderly folks then. 22 minute pee breaks
I was going to specify retired orthodontists but leakage does not discriminate on the basis of (former) profession.
cerb4.5lee said:
Chubbyross said:
cerb4.5lee said:
A SUV is bad enough at that weight and almost everyone seems to dislike those.
Er, have you looked around on the roads recently?I think this is an incredibly important car. It’s an EV created from scratch by one of the greatest car manufacturers, with a key brief of driver engagement. Yes, it’s heavy but for a first attempt the reviews are looking good.
DonkeyApple said:
Nerdherder said:
Bo_apex said:
£138K
22 minute pee breaks
So perfect for leaky elderly folks then. 22 minute pee breaks
I was going to specify retired orthodontists but leakage does not discriminate on the basis of (former) profession.
and yet can still brag about their 0-60 times It looks like Tesla has closed it's Canary Wharf showroom, not sure why.
4 charging points remain, which still seems a bit light for a high density zone
Sandpit Steve said:
The range issues won't go away until there's as many charge points on the motorways and in city centres, as there are petrol pumps. No-one with a £100k car is going to do a trip where they *might* get stuck in a queue for a 30 minute charge on the way to their meeting.
Said so much better than I did, thank you!So who is the target for a £100k+ EV car with a capped range (in comparison to an ICE car) before you have to spend some time going out of the way (generally) to possibly wait in the queue for a charging point, where you wait further to get enough energy to continue your journey?
Someone needs to put some serious infrastructure in place to make an EV car a viable, daily, long distance alternative to it's fossil fuel brother. But where's the incentive for that organisation or governmental body to expand the network of charging points? Saving the planet doesn't seem to be enough.
JBzy said:
Shame they couldnt make it more attractive, as always with porsche - a body that looks dated and slightly frumpy and ugly upon release. The interior is also typically boring, wanted to like these but cant get passed the old man image.
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