RE: Porsche Taycan | Driven

[TWPC]

Is the Taycan special in having 'Permanently excited electric motors'?

I could definitely do with one of those.

[E65Ross]

redroadster said:

No one thinks price ridiclious ?.

Porsche with over 750bhp wasn't going to be cheap. How much is a similarly powered 911 or Panamera....? Oh....

[E65Ross]

cerb4.5lee said:

Chubbyross said:

cerb4.5lee said:

A SUV is bad enough at that weight and almost everyone seems to dislike those.

Er, have you looked around on the roads recently?

They get plenty of stick for being too heavy and unnecessary though. Yet this weighs the same and is equally unnecessary, but because it is electric everyone will turn a blind eye to its flaws and just say that it is brilliant instead. I just don't get it.

I think perhaps it's because the batteries etc weigh a lot and thus a 2+ tonne EV isn't necessarily overweight for what it is, it's not "unnecessary" weight....yet an SUV is just large. Also, with this sort of car the CoG can be a lot lower, unlike in an EV, so even though it may weigh a lot, it will be very different dynamically.

Personally, I don't have a problem with either. If you don't want a 2+ tonne SUV or EV then don't buy one. Simples.

[kambites]

Sounds like a good car, but for the money it should be. For me, this end of the EV market is nowhere near as interesting as the budget end at the moment.

[Gandahar]

It will eventually be that all the supermarkets will have multiple charging stations and give 6p off a mole of electrons ( no scientists please, that's a joke) so charging will not be an issue. That would also benefit by penalising service stations on motorways.

Charging is a worry for some at the moment, but in the short to medium turn this will suddenly become a non issue. Number of petrol stations has massively shrunk but people don't get stranded all the time.

Porsche are doing an EV Macan at some point, that will popular seeing as they have been able to keep the Porscheness with their first EV.

Interestingly the cars were fitted with Goodyear Eagle F1 asymmetric 3 tyres which are even one step down from the Eagle F1 Supersports, similar to the Michelin Pilotsport 4 and not the 4S. And yet the journos did not complain about lack of grip in longitudinal or lateral accelerations. It's a big fat grip monster.

Imagine in on F1 Supersport RS tyres... might get a good Nurburgring time

Edited by Gandahar on Wednesday 25th September 12:09

[Chr1sch]

dinkel said:

Chr1sch said:

I find the range and infrastructure argument a curious one......we own an i3, we've had it for 3 years, not once have we come close to running out of range.

BMW stops the i3...

Yes a shame but I totally get it, it really doesn’t fit with their lineup of more regular cars, being a carbon shell it’s clearly very expensive to manufacture we still an acquired taste

The rationale of electrifying their standard models is a solid one in my eyes, if there was a fast, commercially viable electric 5 series i’d be very tempted

[Augustus Windsock]

When I see this;

I can’t help but see this;

[cookie1600]

Gandahar said:

It will eventually be that all the supermarkets will have multiple charging stations and give 6p off a mole of electrons ( no scientists please, that's a joke) so charging will not be an issue. That would also benefit by penalising service stations on motorways.

Eventually. Next year, 10 years, 30 years?

Gandahar said:

Number of petrol stations has massively shrunk but people don't get stranded all the time.

No, because fuel consumption is far better than say 20 years ago and longer distances between fuel stops are more easily achievable. There are still enough fossil fuel filling points next to main roads and motorways to top up 'as and when' needed. This can also be achieved with about a 5 minute delay in your journey.

I guess the answer is going to be a range extender option:

[otolith]

Chubbyross said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Chubbyross said:

cerb4.5lee said:

A SUV is bad enough at that weight and almost everyone seems to dislike those.

Er, have you looked around on the roads recently?

They get plenty of stick for being too heavy and unnecessary though. Yet this weighs the same and is equally unnecessary, but because it is electric everyone will turn a blind eye to its flaws and just say that it is brilliant instead. I just don't get it.

I agree SUVs receive lots of stick for the weight issue but this just tends to be from the petrolhead community. The average SUV buyer is only interested in image, practicality and performance (point and squirt speed, not handling per se), not necessarily in that order.

I think this is an incredibly important car. It’s an EV created from scratch by one of the greatest car manufacturers, with a key brief of driver engagement. Yes, it’s heavy but for a first attempt the reviews are looking good.

I guess the point is that it isn't heavy because it's pointlessly huge and endowed with superfluous off road hardware. It's heavy because batteries are heavy and it needs one to work.

[lestiq]

you know how we buy battery boosters for our phones... I wonder if we'll be buying them for our cars soon.

[otolith]

lestiq said:

you know how we buy battery boosters for our phones... I wonder if we'll be buying them for our cars soon.

https://www.apricum-group.com/gearing-up-for-power-on-wheels-battery-buffered-charging-stations/

"As well as this, there are mobile charging solutions emerging to cover the local need for fast chargers for a limited amount of time, e.g., in the case of mass events such as concerts or soccer games. These solutions are not connected to the grid and fully rely on built-in batteries. An example is Volkswagen’s mobile 360 kWh charging stations, capable of charging 15 vehicles in only ~17 minutes per charge, which was piloted in the first half of 2019 and will be implemented widely in 2020"

I could also see high end domestic charging solutions coming on the market using a slowly charged battery to fast charge a car.

[scottydoesntknow]

redroadster said:

No one thinks price ridiclious ?.

Ruinously expensive isn't it.

[suffolk009]

Great. The first all electric car I would actually own.

But not in that colour.

[ntiz]

Just for everyone’s information about the charging network for these.

The Ionity chargers that they are putting in are backed by VW,Mercedes,BMW, Ford and I think Renault. Probably some others this network has got huge backing and will probably become the norm in europe at least.

40 in the UK in one year is huge investment when you think it has taken Tesla the best part of a decade to do. Which isn’t a bad reflection on Tesla but just shows how seriously EVs are being taken by the big boys.

There are already a sizeable amount around Europe with plans for more. I don’t want to get carried away but I imagine in 5 years time They will have a very good network in place making charging a bit of a non issue.

Although I really hope they can get down to a full charge in 15 mins.

[Krikkit]

scottydoesntknow said:

redroadster said:

No one thinks price ridiclious ?.

Ruinously expensive isn't it.

Expensive compared to a Leaf, yes, but not compared to a similar ICE car.

e.g. Panamera Turbo starts at £118k

[cookington]

article said:

you almost have to sink like a wilting damsel to get in

[Black S2K]

Sandpit Steve said:

Carl_Manchester said:

note to car reviewers: no car can be described as ‘dynamically impressive’ if it barely fits inside a road lane.

dynamic drama in these types of cars cant be defined by sweating like eric pickles every time you see a tight corner.

Lol, maybe that quote was a refugee from the Cayman GT4 review?

'Dynamically Impressive' for a car that weighs 2 1/2 tons and barely fits through a 6'6" width restrictor is a very relative concept!

...and it's described as C segment!

How long before they've hit the 2,550mm width limit for HGVs?

[fernando the frog]

Augustus Windsock said:

When I see this;

I can’t help but see this;

ok

[theholygrail]

Teddington is in Middlesex not Surrey. You'd think PH would know this, given that's where they're based, AFAIK!

[cookie1600]

fernando the frog said:

ok

You have to be in our 'Clan', to see the similarities....