RE: Honda Integra Type R (DC5) | Spotted

RE: Honda Integra Type R (DC5) | Spotted

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Elatino1

463 posts

8 months

Friday 11th October
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havoc said:
Elatino1 said:
The k20 is only putting out a third of the power and half the torque of an ej20, and they are still known to go pop too. No engine is infallible.
Erm:

K20 - 197 - 230bhp / 150-167lb/ft - Nat-Asp

EJ20 - 220 - 320bhp / up to c.300lb-ft - FI

...so your stats are a little adrift, and you're comparing apples with oranges due to the induction method - there are blown K20s on stock internals running 400bhp, and built engines running 4-figures in the drag scene.

And besides, the only K20s that fail are due to abuse (oil starvation or similar, as above). EJ's have a torrid rep...
My figures are broadly correct as you point out, not sure what sort of point you think you are making there. Feel free to work out the fractions more precisely if it helps you.

And no the only K20s that fail are not just due to poor maintenance. Plenty have gone pop even as standard and certainly when boosted. To suggest otherwise is either deluded or misinformed. Look it up.

Well done for noticing that I was comparing turbocharged Ej20 with N/A K20 as that is how they come as standard from the manufacturer. Comparing modified to unmodified is even more apples vs oranges.

300bhp/ton

37,680 posts

137 months

Friday 11th October
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Elatino1 said:
havoc said:
Elatino1 said:
The k20 is only putting out a third of the power and half the torque of an ej20, and they are still known to go pop too. No engine is infallible.
Erm:

K20 - 197 - 230bhp / 150-167lb/ft - Nat-Asp

EJ20 - 220 - 320bhp / up to c.300lb-ft - FI

...so your stats are a little adrift, and you're comparing apples with oranges due to the induction method - there are blown K20s on stock internals running 400bhp, and built engines running 4-figures in the drag scene.

And besides, the only K20s that fail are due to abuse (oil starvation or similar, as above). EJ's have a torrid rep...
My figures are broadly correct as you point out, not sure what sort of point you think you are making there. Feel free to work out the fractions more precisely if it helps you.

And no the only K20s that fail are not just due to poor maintenance. Plenty have gone pop even as standard and certainly when boosted. To suggest otherwise is either deluded or misinformed. Look it up.

Well done for noticing that I was comparing turbocharged Ej20 with N/A K20 as that is how they come as standard from the manufacturer. Comparing modified to unmodified is even more apples vs oranges.
lol, I think you may need a maths lesson wink

1/3 of 320 = 106.7, so nothing remotely close to the output of the K20

I suspect your wording is what is incorrect in your earlier post.

havoc

24,641 posts

182 months

Friday 11th October
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Elatino1 said:
My figures are broadly correct as you point out, not sure what sort of point you think you are making there. Feel free to work out the fractions more precisely if it helps you.
rofl

Look at my job. laugh

Muppet.

Elatino1

463 posts

8 months

Friday 11th October
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havoc said:
Elatino1 said:
My figures are broadly correct as you point out, not sure what sort of point you think you are making there. Feel free to work out the fractions more precisely if it helps you.
rofl

Look at my job. laugh

Muppet.
Sorry, slip of the tongue, I meant 2 thirds of the power and half the torque.

I don't usually look up peoples profiles but I can see why you might be upset being such a specialist and all. Most boring profession ever.

Edited by Elatino1 on Friday 11th October 12:01

havoc

24,641 posts

182 months

Friday 11th October
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Elatino1 said:
...but I can see why you might be upset being such a specialist and all. Most boring profession ever.


yonex

15,498 posts

115 months

Friday 11th October
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Elatino1 said:
Sorry, slip of the tongue, I meant 2 thirds of the power and half the torque.

I don't usually look up peoples profiles but I can see why you might be upset being such a specialist and all. Most boring profession ever.

Edited by Elatino1 on Friday 11th October 12:01
And what do you do to look down your nose at others exactly?

Foolish.


Water Fairy

2,959 posts

102 months

Friday 11th October
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I hope these drive better than the EP3 otherwise it's a dead duck in the water for me

designforlife

3,194 posts

110 months

Friday 11th October
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Water Fairy said:
I hope these drive better than the EP3 otherwise it's a dead duck in the water for me
Considerably better drive than the UKDM EP3 type R... there's a big difference in handling beyond the shared engine and gearbox. Hydraulic PAS on teh DC5 for starters.

Elatino1

463 posts

8 months

Friday 11th October
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yonex said:
And what do you do to look down your nose at others exactly?

Foolish.
Sorry dear but I wasn't looking down my nose at anyone. I also wasn't the one bringing peoples profession into things. Seems odd that you are so curious about such things.

Is this really all because I dared mention that a turbocharged might rev as high as this N/A car? Get the pitchforks. rolleyes The Honda love sure does seem somewhat fanatical.

yonex

15,498 posts

115 months

Friday 11th October
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Elatino1 said:
Sorry dear but I wasn't looking down my nose at anyone. I also wasn't the one bringing peoples profession into things. Seems odd that you are so curious about such things.

Is this really all because I dared mention that a turbocharged might rev as high as this N/A car? Get the pitchforks. rolleyes The Honda love sure does seem somewhat fanatical.
Not really. It’s just obvious you don’t know that much about K20’s. Are you just a desperate troll who doesn’t like facts or plain rude when someone questions you?

Builder eh, do you have an accountant yourself?

rossub

2,391 posts

137 months

Friday 11th October
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designforlife said:
Water Fairy said:
I hope these drive better than the EP3 otherwise it's a dead duck in the water for me
Considerably better drive than the UKDM EP3 type R... there's a big difference in handling beyond the shared engine and gearbox. Hydraulic PAS on teh DC5 for starters.
I preferred driving the JDM EP3 to the DC5. Just found it more fun and chuckable.

Never driven a UK EP3 to compare though.

SidewaysSi

5,973 posts

181 months

Friday 11th October
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I used to be a Honda man but now I firmly believe Subaru build the best cars ever.

Amazing handling and with 4wd they are brilliant in the rain and snow. I can drive at 90mph on the fast lane of the motorway in the streaming rain knowing I can't aquaplane. The turbocharged engines leave everything behind - by the time those stupid K20 things having wound up, I am long gone.

And as for every BMW that tries to race me, I just show them what 4wd and a boxer engine can do.

See ya' later losers...

lewis87

341 posts

150 months

Friday 11th October
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I'm a big fan of both Honda and Subaru having owned performance versions of both but the reliability of the K20 is a country mile ahead of the EJ20.

Not unusual for a NA or turbo EJ20 to need serious engine work but K series cars will easily go over 100K with basic maintenance.

DanielSan

14,539 posts

114 months

Friday 11th October
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rossub said:
I preferred driving the JDM EP3 to the DC5. Just found it more fun and chuckable.

Never driven a UK EP3 to compare though.
Not much in them chassis wise past the thicker rear ARB, big difference is the shorter gearing and LSD. Even the claimed 210-220bhp on the JDM all but disappears once UK fuel is in it.

SidewaysSi

5,973 posts

181 months

Friday 11th October
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Only problem with most practical Hondas is you can't power oversteer them. Which is obviously a big issue..

Butter Face

19,439 posts

107 months

Friday 11th October
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DanielSan said:
rossub said:
I preferred driving the JDM EP3 to the DC5. Just found it more fun and chuckable.

Never driven a UK EP3 to compare though.
Not much in them chassis wise past the thicker rear ARB, big difference is the shorter gearing and LSD. Even the claimed 210-220bhp on the JDM all but disappears once UK fuel is in it.
The JDM EP3 is nice, I still maintain that a prefacelift EP3 with a bit of money spent on it is a great buy though and very capable with a few mods.

yonex

15,498 posts

115 months

Friday 11th October
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SidewaysSi said:
I used to be a Honda man but now I firmly believe Subaru build the best cars ever.

Amazing handling and with 4wd they are brilliant in the rain and snow. I can drive at 90mph on the fast lane of the motorway in the streaming rain knowing I can't aquaplane. The turbocharged engines leave everything behind - by the time those stupid K20 things having wound up, I am long gone.

And as for every BMW that tries to race me, I just show them what 4wd and a boxer engine can do.

See ya' later losers...
It really does seem that the average Subaru owner is an absolute socket biggrin

havoc

24,641 posts

182 months

Friday 11th October
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SidewaysSi said:
Only problem with most practical Hondas is you can't power oversteer them. Which is obviously a big issue..
yes

I always used to try and get at least one drift in on the school run - there were a couple of cracking roundabouts!

yonex said:
It really does seem that the average Subaru owner is an absolute socket biggrin
Not sure that your average Civic driver is much better (I'm certainly not! wink ), but you're spot on. We're next to a reputed Scooby tuner and whilst the guys running it are sound, some of the customers you come across...

rossub

2,391 posts

137 months

Friday 11th October
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yonex said:
It really does seem that the average Subaru owner is an absolute socket biggrin
Excuse me! I have 3 of them (ok, 1 is a Forester) and I’m not a socket frown

SidewaysSi

5,973 posts

181 months

Friday 11th October
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havoc said:
SidewaysSi said:
Only problem with most practical Hondas is you can't power oversteer them. Which is obviously a big issue..
yes

I always used to try and get at least one drift in on the school run - there were a couple of cracking roundabouts!

yonex said:
It really does seem that the average Subaru owner is an absolute socket biggrin
Not sure that your average Civic driver is much better (I'm certainly not! wink ), but you're spot on. We're next to a reputed Scooby tuner and whilst the guys running it are sound, some of the customers you come across...
I am recently a member of the Subaru brotherhood. Feel I need to buy a baseball cap and a few gold chains now...That should definitely make me (even more of) a socket smile Not sure I will be attending any owners club meets..!

I very nearly bought a FD2 but went Subaru in the end. Time will tell if it was the right decision...