RE: Ferrari 488 Pista vs. Porsche 911 GT2 RS

RE: Ferrari 488 Pista vs. Porsche 911 GT2 RS

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130R

6,807 posts

205 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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PhantomPH said:
That's a tyres thing tho - the Senna was on road tyres and the GT3 on race slicks. Swap out the road tyres on the Senna for some trackway tyres and those 7 seconds surely vanish.

I get your point, tho.
I don't think you can just chuck on a set of slick tyres to a road car and expect it to be 7 seconds a lap quicker

gigglebug

2,611 posts

121 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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130R said:
PhantomPH said:
That's a tyres thing tho - the Senna was on road tyres and the GT3 on race slicks. Swap out the road tyres on the Senna for some trackway tyres and those 7 seconds surely vanish.

I get your point, tho.
I don't think you can just chuck on a set of slick tyres to a road car and expect it to be 7 seconds a lap quicker
Is there a best guess estimate as to how much it could make? Would he also be potentially quicker without all the driver/safety aids turned on (he states this is the case as it is a friends car).

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

224 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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gigglebug said:
130R said:
PhantomPH said:
That's a tyres thing tho - the Senna was on road tyres and the GT3 on race slicks. Swap out the road tyres on the Senna for some trackway tyres and those 7 seconds surely vanish.

I get your point, tho.
I don't think you can just chuck on a set of slick tyres to a road car and expect it to be 7 seconds a lap quicker
Is there a best guess estimate as to how much it could make? Would he also be potentially quicker without all the driver/safety aids turned on (he states this is the case as it is a friends car).
Plus it's a long lap. c.2m 5s, I'd imagine? Account for tyres, driver aids and the whole 'friend's car' thing, I bet there's not much in it.

Not what I'm really getting at, tho. Bottom line is that you could put me in a GT3 car and a well driven Caterham would probably beat me - because I'm not a pro race driver. I'm just a bloke. Now if I was just a bloke with a fat wallet, I could have a Senna and make up for my lack of talent by going past everything on a usual trackday on the straights.

Same with the Pista and the GT2RS - I couldn't (and probably wouldn't) get the most out of either of them on the roads OR on a track, but that wouldn't stop me buying either if I had the means.

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

224 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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As a total derail of the thread, in the above discussed video at the time linked here - anyone know what the seatbelt attachment in the centre of the dash is for?

https://youtu.be/x-kK2cWDcWU?t=671

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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PhantomPH said:
As a total derail of the thread, in the above discussed video at the time linked here - anyone know what the seatbelt attachment in the centre of the dash is for?

https://youtu.be/x-kK2cWDcWU?t=671
During a race the cars run with a cross cabin "net" which hooks into that hardpoint. The net helps retain the driver (and particularly their arms and hands) in the event of a crash, and also acts to keep any flying debris from impacting them.

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

224 months

Tuesday 15th October 2019
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Max_Torque said:
PhantomPH said:
As a total derail of the thread, in the above discussed video at the time linked here - anyone know what the seatbelt attachment in the centre of the dash is for?

https://youtu.be/x-kK2cWDcWU?t=671
During a race the cars run with a cross cabin "net" which hooks into that hardpoint. The net helps retain the driver (and particularly their arms and hands) in the event of a crash, and also acts to keep any flying debris from impacting them.
Smart stuff, thank you!

Ahonen

5,015 posts

278 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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PhantomPH said:
That's a tyres thing tho - the Senna was on road tyres and the GT3 on race slicks. Swap out the road tyres on the Senna for some trackway tyres and those 7 seconds surely vanish.

I get your point, tho.
They make their lap times in different ways as the Senna obviously has a huge power, straight line speed (partly due to DRS) and acceleration advantage. On the same tyres and with the same driver a modern GT3 car is still faster than a Senna around a regular race track, but only by a couple of seconds.

130R

6,807 posts

205 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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Ahonen said:
They make their lap times in different ways as the Senna obviously has a huge power, straight line speed (partly due to DRS) and acceleration advantage. On the same tyres and with the same driver a modern GT3 car is still faster than a Senna around a regular race track, but only by a couple of seconds.
Also though, endurance race cars just have relentless pace. I saw a video of a well driven GT2 RS following a pro driver in a GT3 Cup car and there was very little in it over a lap. However the Cup car just gradually pulls away over a number of laps and can obviously keep that pace up for 24 hours.

Davey S2

13,075 posts

253 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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Much as I love 911s I'd have to have the Pista out of those two as it seems the better road car.

That said I'd rather the new 991 Speedster over either of them.


Terminator X

14,922 posts

203 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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Kubevoid said:
I'll take a vastly discounted RS after the banks and stock market completely collapse. Give it a year. Maybe less.
Let us know exactly which month etc so that we can all make billions on the stock market bandit

TX.

PhantomPH

4,043 posts

224 months

Wednesday 16th October 2019
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Terminator X said:
Kubevoid said:
I'll take a vastly discounted RS after the banks and stock market completely collapse. Give it a year. Maybe less.
Let us know exactly which month etc so that we can all make billions on the stock market bandit

TX.
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(Note: if the banks and stock market "completely collapse", you'll have bigger distractions than an RS to consider...like how to survive the looting, rioting, no food, no electricity, no gas, no fuel...think 'Mad Max' crossed with 'The Walking Dead' wink Ha ha)

DG27

153 posts

168 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Sadly I missed out on the GT2RS through my dealer and would have loved to have owned one. I have driven the new model and its a consummate GT car for sure, the way the turbo power kicks in on the road is outstanding and it makes a great sound too. There is nothing not to like on this and its softer than its non turbo track counterpart for everyday GT use.

I did however get a consolation prize in that I got a gen 2 GT3RS which I have had for over a year now and done just 5500 miles in, some of that in Europe. It’s a stunning car as well, very track focussed and therefore pretty rubbish on UK/London roads so isn’t getting out much at the moment. I used to race a Cupcar and its pretty close to that without the visceral screaming you get in the pure race version.

I double the car time in that with a 488 at the moment awaiting the arrival of my tailor made Pista Piloti in silver. Now I love Ferrari too and the 488 is a great car (having had a 458 its a step up). I have also just had a few days in Italy with Ferrari and the F8 Tributo, which is another step up from the 488, Pista like performance in a softer road car. I took the Pista though for its rarity perspective and will post pics when I finally get it.

That F8 is a great piece of kit if its the only Ferrari you have.

Good article Pistonheads by the way

D

MDL111

6,895 posts

176 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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130R said:
Ahonen said:
They make their lap times in different ways as the Senna obviously has a huge power, straight line speed (partly due to DRS) and acceleration advantage. On the same tyres and with the same driver a modern GT3 car is still faster than a Senna around a regular race track, but only by a couple of seconds.
Also though, endurance race cars just have relentless pace. I saw a video of a well driven GT2 RS following a pro driver in a GT3 Cup car and there was very little in it over a lap. However the Cup car just gradually pulls away over a number of laps and can obviously keep that pace up for 24 hours.
As an aside a GT3 Cup is not really comparable to a GT3 car I think

13dave

18 posts

146 months

Friday 18th October 2019
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It is the first ‘10’ I have given on the PH O-Meter. A wonderful test of two truly magnificent cars. Joyous to drive as Moonracer said. And I might just be able to afford one if I cashed in all my chips. But would I enjoy it enough compared to my Vantage V12 manual? Would I get used to the flappy paddles? Would the added power be useable and therefore worth it? Or should I just enjoy the test and leave it at that?

If you know the exact Welsh roads I would like to know. Thanks. David