RE: Ferrari 488 Pista vs. Porsche 911 GT2 RS
Discussion
PhantomPH said:
That's a tyres thing tho - the Senna was on road tyres and the GT3 on race slicks. Swap out the road tyres on the Senna for some trackway tyres and those 7 seconds surely vanish.
I get your point, tho.
I don't think you can just chuck on a set of slick tyres to a road car and expect it to be 7 seconds a lap quickerI get your point, tho.
130R said:
PhantomPH said:
That's a tyres thing tho - the Senna was on road tyres and the GT3 on race slicks. Swap out the road tyres on the Senna for some trackway tyres and those 7 seconds surely vanish.
I get your point, tho.
I don't think you can just chuck on a set of slick tyres to a road car and expect it to be 7 seconds a lap quickerI get your point, tho.
gigglebug said:
130R said:
PhantomPH said:
That's a tyres thing tho - the Senna was on road tyres and the GT3 on race slicks. Swap out the road tyres on the Senna for some trackway tyres and those 7 seconds surely vanish.
I get your point, tho.
I don't think you can just chuck on a set of slick tyres to a road car and expect it to be 7 seconds a lap quickerI get your point, tho.
Not what I'm really getting at, tho. Bottom line is that you could put me in a GT3 car and a well driven Caterham would probably beat me - because I'm not a pro race driver. I'm just a bloke. Now if I was just a bloke with a fat wallet, I could have a Senna and make up for my lack of talent by going past everything on a usual trackday on the straights.
Same with the Pista and the GT2RS - I couldn't (and probably wouldn't) get the most out of either of them on the roads OR on a track, but that wouldn't stop me buying either if I had the means.
As a total derail of the thread, in the above discussed video at the time linked here - anyone know what the seatbelt attachment in the centre of the dash is for?
https://youtu.be/x-kK2cWDcWU?t=671
https://youtu.be/x-kK2cWDcWU?t=671
PhantomPH said:
As a total derail of the thread, in the above discussed video at the time linked here - anyone know what the seatbelt attachment in the centre of the dash is for?
https://youtu.be/x-kK2cWDcWU?t=671
During a race the cars run with a cross cabin "net" which hooks into that hardpoint. The net helps retain the driver (and particularly their arms and hands) in the event of a crash, and also acts to keep any flying debris from impacting them.https://youtu.be/x-kK2cWDcWU?t=671
Max_Torque said:
PhantomPH said:
As a total derail of the thread, in the above discussed video at the time linked here - anyone know what the seatbelt attachment in the centre of the dash is for?
https://youtu.be/x-kK2cWDcWU?t=671
During a race the cars run with a cross cabin "net" which hooks into that hardpoint. The net helps retain the driver (and particularly their arms and hands) in the event of a crash, and also acts to keep any flying debris from impacting them.https://youtu.be/x-kK2cWDcWU?t=671
PhantomPH said:
That's a tyres thing tho - the Senna was on road tyres and the GT3 on race slicks. Swap out the road tyres on the Senna for some trackway tyres and those 7 seconds surely vanish.
I get your point, tho.
They make their lap times in different ways as the Senna obviously has a huge power, straight line speed (partly due to DRS) and acceleration advantage. On the same tyres and with the same driver a modern GT3 car is still faster than a Senna around a regular race track, but only by a couple of seconds. I get your point, tho.
Ahonen said:
They make their lap times in different ways as the Senna obviously has a huge power, straight line speed (partly due to DRS) and acceleration advantage. On the same tyres and with the same driver a modern GT3 car is still faster than a Senna around a regular race track, but only by a couple of seconds.
Also though, endurance race cars just have relentless pace. I saw a video of a well driven GT2 RS following a pro driver in a GT3 Cup car and there was very little in it over a lap. However the Cup car just gradually pulls away over a number of laps and can obviously keep that pace up for 24 hours.Terminator X said:
Kubevoid said:
I'll take a vastly discounted RS after the banks and stock market completely collapse. Give it a year. Maybe less.
Let us know exactly which month etc so that we can all make billions on the stock market TX.
(Note: if the banks and stock market "completely collapse", you'll have bigger distractions than an RS to consider...like how to survive the looting, rioting, no food, no electricity, no gas, no fuel...think 'Mad Max' crossed with 'The Walking Dead' Ha ha)
Sadly I missed out on the GT2RS through my dealer and would have loved to have owned one. I have driven the new model and its a consummate GT car for sure, the way the turbo power kicks in on the road is outstanding and it makes a great sound too. There is nothing not to like on this and its softer than its non turbo track counterpart for everyday GT use.
I did however get a consolation prize in that I got a gen 2 GT3RS which I have had for over a year now and done just 5500 miles in, some of that in Europe. It’s a stunning car as well, very track focussed and therefore pretty rubbish on UK/London roads so isn’t getting out much at the moment. I used to race a Cupcar and its pretty close to that without the visceral screaming you get in the pure race version.
I double the car time in that with a 488 at the moment awaiting the arrival of my tailor made Pista Piloti in silver. Now I love Ferrari too and the 488 is a great car (having had a 458 its a step up). I have also just had a few days in Italy with Ferrari and the F8 Tributo, which is another step up from the 488, Pista like performance in a softer road car. I took the Pista though for its rarity perspective and will post pics when I finally get it.
That F8 is a great piece of kit if its the only Ferrari you have.
Good article Pistonheads by the way
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I did however get a consolation prize in that I got a gen 2 GT3RS which I have had for over a year now and done just 5500 miles in, some of that in Europe. It’s a stunning car as well, very track focussed and therefore pretty rubbish on UK/London roads so isn’t getting out much at the moment. I used to race a Cupcar and its pretty close to that without the visceral screaming you get in the pure race version.
I double the car time in that with a 488 at the moment awaiting the arrival of my tailor made Pista Piloti in silver. Now I love Ferrari too and the 488 is a great car (having had a 458 its a step up). I have also just had a few days in Italy with Ferrari and the F8 Tributo, which is another step up from the 488, Pista like performance in a softer road car. I took the Pista though for its rarity perspective and will post pics when I finally get it.
That F8 is a great piece of kit if its the only Ferrari you have.
Good article Pistonheads by the way
D
130R said:
Ahonen said:
They make their lap times in different ways as the Senna obviously has a huge power, straight line speed (partly due to DRS) and acceleration advantage. On the same tyres and with the same driver a modern GT3 car is still faster than a Senna around a regular race track, but only by a couple of seconds.
Also though, endurance race cars just have relentless pace. I saw a video of a well driven GT2 RS following a pro driver in a GT3 Cup car and there was very little in it over a lap. However the Cup car just gradually pulls away over a number of laps and can obviously keep that pace up for 24 hours.It is the first ‘10’ I have given on the PH O-Meter. A wonderful test of two truly magnificent cars. Joyous to drive as Moonracer said. And I might just be able to afford one if I cashed in all my chips. But would I enjoy it enough compared to my Vantage V12 manual? Would I get used to the flappy paddles? Would the added power be useable and therefore worth it? Or should I just enjoy the test and leave it at that?
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