RE: Next AMG C63 to go four-cylinder
Discussion
DoubleD said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
Terminator X said:
DoubleD said:
Mercedes will make a large engine car if there is a market for it and its profitable for them.
Im guessing there isnt.
Regulations killing these cars imho rather than lack of demand. Only bought in small numbers anyway remember.Im guessing there isnt.
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Terminator X said:
DoubleD said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
Terminator X said:
DoubleD said:
Mercedes will make a large engine car if there is a market for it and its profitable for them.
Im guessing there isnt.
Regulations killing these cars imho rather than lack of demand. Only bought in small numbers anyway remember.Im guessing there isnt.
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Ho Lee Kau said:
MOBB said:
The question is, what percentage of the target market cares whether its a V8 or a 4?
THinking like this there would be NOTHING interesting on the market at all!C63AMG is a HALO car, it live outside of the "C-Classe target market".
If their logic is that people don’t buy many, so it’s hard to justify big engines etc, why did AMG ever exist?
Why isn’t everything just a beige fwd mpv?
But I think the issue is the market. AMG, M, RS, have all just become top-rung of the range more than ever...
And while still catering a little for the enthusiast, majority of new owners in these now burgeoning market segments don’t care.
As long as it’s “better” than the rest of the range, so projects a richer/superior image, that’s all they need to do.
Alex_225 said:
A huge part of the appeal of the C63 and to be honest, many of the '63' badged cars was the V8 engine. Personally based on cool factor alone they peaked with the 6.2 V8 purely as it was a stupidly large, loud and unnecessary brute of a motor.
Despite the newer models being turbo charged which I suspect is a better/more flexible engine at least it retained a V8.
I know this is progress, everything will be electric in some capacity eventually. I suppose it's a bit sad because the C63 came to prominence because it was a V8. It'll still be popular because it'll be fast, loud and lairy but to many of us lot it will lose a part of it's appeal.
Talking of loud, I hope they don't make it obnoxious and unnecessarily loud like many of the other four cylinder farty exhausts. Sadly I suspect it'll pop and crackle the moment it moves!
If you've got keyless go it'll fart loudly as you approach it. And after you walk away. Despite the newer models being turbo charged which I suspect is a better/more flexible engine at least it retained a V8.
I know this is progress, everything will be electric in some capacity eventually. I suppose it's a bit sad because the C63 came to prominence because it was a V8. It'll still be popular because it'll be fast, loud and lairy but to many of us lot it will lose a part of it's appeal.
Talking of loud, I hope they don't make it obnoxious and unnecessarily loud like many of the other four cylinder farty exhausts. Sadly I suspect it'll pop and crackle the moment it moves!
loudlashadjuster said:
Nah, can't see it. No way would they jump from 8 to 4 cyl in a single generation. You can see them moving to a beefed-up C53 setup for the C63, maybe, but no way to a 4-cyl. It's pretty much their USP.
Be amazed if this Autocar "scoop" isn't just conjecture based on some badly-translated or poorly understood German
Porsche now use a four potty in the cayman so why not a four to replace eight in a c63? Be amazed if this Autocar "scoop" isn't just conjecture based on some badly-translated or poorly understood German
If power output is near the same what difference does it make?
Alex_225 said:
MickyveloceClassic said:
Per litre, one of the most economical cars on the road (W204); can’t think why they need to improve it.
Realistically 15-18mpg is more likely though, let's be honest.
Of all the things the 6.2 V8 can be praised for, fuel economy is not really it! haha
Harry_523 said:
I can see the C43 AMG getting replaced by this powertrain, but not the C63. Logic would dictate that the 63 would go 6cyl from the E53 first.
Yes, surely this. Best of all worlds. If you can't actually have a V8.Harry_523 said:
One day, we will see AMGs that are all electric though, and that does make my brain hurt a bit
I struggle with that much less than the concept of a 4 pot petrol hybrid in an AMG.What really makes my brain hurt is the diesel 4 pot hybrids that MB introduced on the non-AMG E Class a few years ago.
That's just so wrong on so many levels. What on earth were they thinking?
MOBB said:
The question is, what percentage of the target market cares whether its a V8 or a 4? My wife wouldn't for example. Do enough people demand it to be a V8?
I've just gone from a CLS63 AMG to a Tesla :-0
These V8's are going to disappear.......................... I apologise for my contribution to this :-(
How are you finding the change? I've just gone from a CLS63 AMG to a Tesla :-0
These V8's are going to disappear.......................... I apologise for my contribution to this :-(
A1VDY said:
Porsche now use a four potty in the cayman so why not a four to replace eight in a c63?
If power output is near the same what difference does it make?
The V8 will sound much better and offer much more smoothness for me. More cylinders/more capacity equals better as far as I'm concerned. If power output is near the same what difference does it make?
A four cylinder engine is fine for going shopping in, but they aren't that much to get excited about if you love/enjoy bigger engines for me.
Glenn63 said:
MOBB said:
The question is, what percentage of the target market cares whether its a V8 or a 4? My wife wouldn't for example. Do enough people demand it to be a V8?
I've just gone from a CLS63 AMG to a Tesla :-0
These V8's are going to disappear.......................... I apologise for my contribution to this :-(
How are you finding the change? I've just gone from a CLS63 AMG to a Tesla :-0
These V8's are going to disappear.......................... I apologise for my contribution to this :-(
The Tesla has its well publicised issues but they have nailed it imo
2 months ago I would have been shocked if I had said that
Mines a Model 3 Performance btw
The one caveat is I am talking about road driving up to 8/10ths, above that and for visceral excitement the traditional super saloons still rule
Edited by MOBB on Thursday 17th October 20:23
Such a shame
I have a C63. Clearly you can’t use anywhere near all the power available but the noise, even at tick over, is absolutely sublime. Combined with the latent threat of awesome performance, every journey is an absolute pleasure
My wife has a Mustang V8 and, between the two, we are both able to rumble along slowly on a wave or torque, or make one hell of a noise!
I have a C63. Clearly you can’t use anywhere near all the power available but the noise, even at tick over, is absolutely sublime. Combined with the latent threat of awesome performance, every journey is an absolute pleasure
My wife has a Mustang V8 and, between the two, we are both able to rumble along slowly on a wave or torque, or make one hell of a noise!
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