RE: Next AMG C63 to go four-cylinder

RE: Next AMG C63 to go four-cylinder

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Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

129 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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What’s it matter? The badmen that leads them and race them up and down bradfords dual carriageways don’t give a st if it’s a v8 or a 4 pot.

Terminator X

14,921 posts

203 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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DoubleD said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
Terminator X said:
DoubleD said:
Mercedes will make a large engine car if there is a market for it and its profitable for them.

Im guessing there isnt.
Regulations killing these cars imho rather than lack of demand. Only bought in small numbers anyway remember.

TX.
exactly right
Regulation changes mean that less people are interested in these cars. If lots of people wanted them Mercedes would make them.
C'mon the CO2 Regs are driving these cars the way of the dodo, consumers who like a V8 will always like a V8. You think the V8 lovers want a 4 pot jester

TX.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Terminator X said:
DoubleD said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
Terminator X said:
DoubleD said:
Mercedes will make a large engine car if there is a market for it and its profitable for them.

Im guessing there isnt.
Regulations killing these cars imho rather than lack of demand. Only bought in small numbers anyway remember.

TX.
exactly right
Regulation changes mean that less people are interested in these cars. If lots of people wanted them Mercedes would make them.
C'mon the CO2 Regs are driving these cars the way of the dodo, consumers who like a V8 will always like a V8. You think the V8 lovers want a 4 pot jester

TX.
Its a lack of demand. If people were queuing up to buy them Mercedes would make them.

Fermit and Sexy Sarah

12,787 posts

99 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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s m said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
who in their right mind would spend 70k+ on a 4 pot?
Not unless it was some sort of homologation thing

There again, a loaded AMG A45 must be nearly there?
Plus I'd bet you could bust that with a Porsche 718.

sjt85

52 posts

130 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Article said:
Even before that, C43s and C55s delivered a charming muscle car vibe, again thanks to a hunk of V8 up front...
Pretty sure the C55 had a supercharged V6...

[Edit] it did have a V6... which sucked so they reverted back to V8 - that'll teach me for de-lurking.

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Reciprocating mass

6,029 posts

240 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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You’d be wrong then the c32 was a v6 supercharged

Mr Whippy

28,944 posts

240 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Ho Lee Kau said:
MOBB said:
The question is, what percentage of the target market cares whether its a V8 or a 4?
THinking like this there would be NOTHING interesting on the market at all!

C63AMG is a HALO car, it live outside of the "C-Classe target market".
Exactly.

If their logic is that people don’t buy many, so it’s hard to justify big engines etc, why did AMG ever exist?

Why isn’t everything just a beige fwd mpv?


But I think the issue is the market. AMG, M, RS, have all just become top-rung of the range more than ever...
And while still catering a little for the enthusiast, majority of new owners in these now burgeoning market segments don’t care.
As long as it’s “better” than the rest of the range, so projects a richer/superior image, that’s all they need to do.

Leins

9,418 posts

147 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Both versions of C55 had a 5.4L V8 ,and in between them the C32 had a supercharged V6

The C30 had a 5-cyl turbo, which I think is the only diesel that AMG has ever made

NDNDNDND

Original Poster:

2,001 posts

182 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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DoubleD said:
Its a lack of demand. If people were queuing up to buy them Mercedes would make them.
Fleet CO2?

Alex

9,975 posts

283 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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I'm oot.

playalistic

2,269 posts

163 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Nickbrapp said:
What’s it matter? The badmen that leads them and race them up and down bradfords dual carriageways don’t give a st if it’s a v8 or a 4 pot.
Congrats! You win today’s knob head bingo.

AC43

11,435 posts

207 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Alex_225 said:
A huge part of the appeal of the C63 and to be honest, many of the '63' badged cars was the V8 engine. Personally based on cool factor alone they peaked with the 6.2 V8 purely as it was a stupidly large, loud and unnecessary brute of a motor.

Despite the newer models being turbo charged which I suspect is a better/more flexible engine at least it retained a V8.

I know this is progress, everything will be electric in some capacity eventually. I suppose it's a bit sad because the C63 came to prominence because it was a V8. It'll still be popular because it'll be fast, loud and lairy but to many of us lot it will lose a part of it's appeal.

Talking of loud, I hope they don't make it obnoxious and unnecessarily loud like many of the other four cylinder farty exhausts. Sadly I suspect it'll pop and crackle the moment it moves! frown
If you've got keyless go it'll fart loudly as you approach it. And after you walk away.

dunnoreally

952 posts

107 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Damn, I really need to hurry up and buy that XJ8 I've been promising myself.

A1VDY

3,575 posts

126 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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loudlashadjuster said:
Nah, can't see it. No way would they jump from 8 to 4 cyl in a single generation. You can see them moving to a beefed-up C53 setup for the C63, maybe, but no way to a 4-cyl. It's pretty much their USP.

Be amazed if this Autocar "scoop" isn't just conjecture based on some badly-translated or poorly understood German
Porsche now use a four potty in the cayman so why not a four to replace eight in a c63?
If power output is near the same what difference does it make?

Glenn63

2,732 posts

83 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Alex_225 said:
MickyveloceClassic said:


Per litre, one of the most economical cars on the road (W204); can’t think why they need to improve it.
I have managed to get 27mpg to show on the gauge on my CLS63 (W219) but that was a very gentle 60-65mph cruise.

Realistically 15-18mpg is more likely though, let's be honest.

Of all the things the 6.2 V8 can be praised for, fuel economy is not really it! haha
I used to regularly go from Lancashire up to the in-laws in Inverness 80 on cruise on the mway and 50/60 on cruise up the A9 and usually got 30mpg bang on. Early morning blasts while up there completely different story!

AC43

11,435 posts

207 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Harry_523 said:
I can see the C43 AMG getting replaced by this powertrain, but not the C63. Logic would dictate that the 63 would go 6cyl from the E53 first.
Yes, surely this. Best of all worlds. If you can't actually have a V8.

Harry_523 said:
One day, we will see AMGs that are all electric though, and that does make my brain hurt a bit
I struggle with that much less than the concept of a 4 pot petrol hybrid in an AMG.

What really makes my brain hurt is the diesel 4 pot hybrids that MB introduced on the non-AMG E Class a few years ago.

That's just so wrong on so many levels. What on earth were they thinking?



Glenn63

2,732 posts

83 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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MOBB said:
The question is, what percentage of the target market cares whether its a V8 or a 4? My wife wouldn't for example. Do enough people demand it to be a V8?

I've just gone from a CLS63 AMG to a Tesla :-0

These V8's are going to disappear.......................... I apologise for my contribution to this :-(
How are you finding the change?

cerb4.5lee

30,189 posts

179 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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A1VDY said:
Porsche now use a four potty in the cayman so why not a four to replace eight in a c63?
If power output is near the same what difference does it make?
The V8 will sound much better and offer much more smoothness for me. More cylinders/more capacity equals better as far as I'm concerned.

A four cylinder engine is fine for going shopping in, but they aren't that much to get excited about if you love/enjoy bigger engines for me.

MOBB

3,575 posts

126 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Glenn63 said:
MOBB said:
The question is, what percentage of the target market cares whether its a V8 or a 4? My wife wouldn't for example. Do enough people demand it to be a V8?

I've just gone from a CLS63 AMG to a Tesla :-0

These V8's are going to disappear.......................... I apologise for my contribution to this :-(
How are you finding the change?
Apart from the noise, I much prefer the Tesla.

The Tesla has its well publicised issues but they have nailed it imo

2 months ago I would have been shocked if I had said that

Mines a Model 3 Performance btw

The one caveat is I am talking about road driving up to 8/10ths, above that and for visceral excitement the traditional super saloons still rule




Edited by MOBB on Thursday 17th October 20:23

schmalex

13,616 posts

205 months

Thursday 17th October 2019
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Such a shame

I have a C63. Clearly you can’t use anywhere near all the power available but the noise, even at tick over, is absolutely sublime. Combined with the latent threat of awesome performance, every journey is an absolute pleasure

My wife has a Mustang V8 and, between the two, we are both able to rumble along slowly on a wave or torque, or make one hell of a noise!