If you HAD to own 3 Vauxhalls
Discussion
LuS1fer said:
Current Vauxhalls are probably better than they have ever been and the styling is contemporary but they are again victims of the "everything German is great" mentality so the Insignia with more than 200bhp doesn't exist but, as a family car with more room inside than the Enterprise, it's a great car but hey, "it's not an Audi" and so depreciation kicks in.
Having driven many of the most recent Astra's and Insignias, they are much better than the previous models.The thing is, the design and engineering is very much Opel Germany. The manufacturing of the Insignia is in Germany. Vauxhall alone are responsible for the continued efforts to brand as a British brand (owned by Americans for decades, sharing everything with the Germans and now owned by French), so that's their issue through and through.
Tyre Smoke said:
Got a link?
Another one : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153694189001I thought these were supposed to be rare
LuS1fer said:
To be fair to Vauxhall, it's not the cars that have issues, it's the buyers. I also suspect that I would probably enjoy meeting a practical Vauxhall buyer far more than a BMW/Audi/VW buyer.
That's probably quite true. The German barges have the badge snobbery market covered. I'm sure Vauxhall are going an alright job of supplying to their target market - older people, younger drivers with a realistic budget and those who don't give 2 hoots about the badge or prestige. Well done Vauxhall IMO.
I don't see how Renault, Peugeot, Ford and Citroen aren't under the same scrutiny on here.
LuS1fer said:
Current Vauxhalls are probably better than they have ever been and the styling is contemporary but they are again victims of the "everything German is great" mentality so the Insignia with more than 200bhp doesn't exist but, as a family car with more room inside than the Enterprise, it's a great car but hey, "it's not an Audi" and so depreciation kicks in.
The ironic thing is many Vauxhalls are built in Germany anyway. My Zafira Tourer and Insignia were.Evanivitch said:
Having driven many of the most recent Astra's and Insignias, they are much better than the previous models.
The thing is, the design and engineering is very much Opel Germany. The manufacturing of the Insignia is in Germany. Vauxhall alone are responsible for the continued efforts to brand as a British brand (owned by Americans for decades, sharing everything with the Germans and now owned by French), so that's their issue through and through.
Car design and production has been world marketing for a long time now. The current Mondeo is an American model, Fiestas are built in Spain among other places, Audis are built in Czechoslovakia, Nissans and Hondas in the UK. You simply cannot say any modern car has a nationality, only an identity by being attributed to a particular country. What is British about a MINI or Bentley, these days? Not much and the MINI once shared a Peugeot engine. Skoda are "Czech" but we all know they're really German, along with "Spanish" Seat. and "Swedish" Volvo.The thing is, the design and engineering is very much Opel Germany. The manufacturing of the Insignia is in Germany. Vauxhall alone are responsible for the continued efforts to brand as a British brand (owned by Americans for decades, sharing everything with the Germans and now owned by French), so that's their issue through and through.
Besides which, Peugeot did a pretty fine job turning Citroen around and their own cars and I'm sure Vauxhall/Opel will be no exception. Personally, when i buy a car, I don't honestly care where it was built or engineered as long as it's a good car that suits my needs at the right budget.
Tyre Smoke said:
Byker28i said:
But if I was looking to buy a car, nothing in the vauxhall range excites me, theres always a better alternative.
What though? I know it's not a current model, but our Corsa D 1.3cdti SXI is brilliant. Well built, really economical, all the toys for a small car, decent boot, can seat 5 adults (okay, not for a 200 mile trip in any great comfort) comfortable and cheap to tax and insure. And cheap to buy in the first place.I'm really struggling to think of anything that compares. French have iffy build quality, this feels solid. German are more expensive and not necessarily any better. Japanese? Micra or Jazz?
But thats the thing with cars, they are subjective (or just transport)
Byker28i said:
Opel Manta, drop dead gorgeous outside, boring inside. Capri was way better.
Vx220, good car but why have that when you could have the Lotus it was based on
TBH I'd disagree with you here. Whilst I did like the Capri I felt that the Manta was a better looking car and better overall - which is why I bought one rather than a Capri.Vx220, good car but why have that when you could have the Lotus it was based on
VX220 from what I can gather is sufficiently different from the parent car that it appeals to slightly different markets - again (as an aside) it's better looking (subjective) than the Elise
I wonder how many people on this "Enthusiasts" forum actually have any real technical knowledge of cars?
Most modern cars have similar design and engineering and, in many cases, even share parts.
Sure, Vauxhall lack the halo models of yore but most people don't buy a halo model. They buy a 2.0 diesel. And, if you're doing that there just isn't much difference under the skin between Ford/Vauxhall/VAG/Peugeot etc.
They're all pretty much the same. So yeah, I'd buy a Vauxhall if they made what I wanted for what I wanted to pay.
Most modern cars have similar design and engineering and, in many cases, even share parts.
Sure, Vauxhall lack the halo models of yore but most people don't buy a halo model. They buy a 2.0 diesel. And, if you're doing that there just isn't much difference under the skin between Ford/Vauxhall/VAG/Peugeot etc.
They're all pretty much the same. So yeah, I'd buy a Vauxhall if they made what I wanted for what I wanted to pay.
SidewaysSi said:
I think newer Vauxhalls look quite good. Many better than the equivalent Peugeot, Ford etc.
Indeed - I was quite surprised at the Insignia I looked at earlier in the year. As to why I didn't buy one - the ones I looked at were.... shall we say less than optimally prepared by the dealership
- I decided they were too big for what I wanted/needed
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