RE: Rear-drive R8 returns as 'RWD' series run model

[wab172uk]

nickfrog said:

wab172uk said:

I bet since 2007 most people wages are less than 10% higher.

Thankfully this is not the case. It's over 30% average according to the ONS.

I find that very hard to believe. Unless it takes into consideration London? Which has it's own economic policy.

[nickfrog]

wab172uk said:

I find that very hard to believe. Unless it takes into consideration London? Which has it's own economic policy.

Has it?

Just look at earnings on the ONS website. Looks like a 2.5% average a year over 12 years for the UK as a whole, including London obviously. You do the maths...

[wab172uk]

nickfrog said:

wab172uk said:

I find that very hard to believe. Unless it takes into consideration London? Which has it's own economic policy.

Has it?

Just look at earnings on the ONS website. Looks like a 2.5% average a year over 12 years for the UK as a whole, including London obviously. You do the maths...

From 2008 will about 2015 not many people (not in my industry, Construction) got a pay rise at all. For at least 5 years mine was 0%. Then maybe 1.5-2% a year after that.

Maybe the public sector contributes to the figures?

[nickfrog]

I don't know, it's an average.

[F1GTRUeno]

BigChiefmuffinAgain said:

Barry Homo said:

BigChiefmuffinAgain said:

The R8 seems to be a bit of a forgotten supercar. Maybe it's just me, but I hardly ever see them, and, price wise, it seems a bit over it's head at this level.

Sort of thought the original V8 R8 was the right way for Audi to be going - they really have to have an offering which is well south of £100k.....

The 2007 base spec V8 cost 77,000. Which adjusted for inflation is... 106,000.
I think the new car is fantastic value.

Maybe. But in 2007, it was competing against a 911 997 Gen 1. I've actually lost track of how many generations the 911 has moved on since then ( 4?), but this has moved 1 and you can still, just, get a 911 for under £100k. I know the current R8 is now a V10 but my point was a slightly less powerful car under £100k may well be a more enticing proposition .....

Didn't you defeat your own argument?

The original base V8 model was competing with the base Carrera.

The V10 version came out to tackle the 911 Turbo.

Now they don't sell the base V8 model and the current V10 (the only one they sell) still competes with the 911 Turbo.

[BigChiefmuffinAgain]

F1GTRUeno said:

BigChiefmuffinAgain said:

Barry Homo said:

BigChiefmuffinAgain said:

The R8 seems to be a bit of a forgotten supercar. Maybe it's just me, but I hardly ever see them, and, price wise, it seems a bit over it's head at this level.

Sort of thought the original V8 R8 was the right way for Audi to be going - they really have to have an offering which is well south of £100k.....

The 2007 base spec V8 cost 77,000. Which adjusted for inflation is... 106,000.
I think the new car is fantastic value.

Maybe. But in 2007, it was competing against a 911 997 Gen 1. I've actually lost track of how many generations the 911 has moved on since then ( 4?), but this has moved 1 and you can still, just, get a 911 for under £100k. I know the current R8 is now a V10 but my point was a slightly less powerful car under £100k may well be a more enticing proposition .....

Didn't you defeat your own argument?

The original base V8 model was competing with the base Carrera.

The V10 version came out to tackle the 911 Turbo.

Now they don't sell the base V8 model and the current V10 (the only one they sell) still competes with the 911 Turbo.[/quote

Yes. It is targeted against a 911 turbo. My point was that this is not a car it should be going up against and, from what I can gather on the sales front, it is not succeeding.

They should have stuck to the more successful mk 1 proposition, with a less powerful engine, kept the price under £100k and gone against the basic 911. There are very few mid engined cars at that price point and perhaps they would have been more successful. Suspect VAG politics stopped them

[vimfuegoturbo]

That’s got to be a pretty good car right? Who else is making n/a v10s anyway? Only you know who in Santa Agata as far as I know, and thats a loosely related engine anyway.

Looking at the ‘bigger picture’ (hate that phrase!) isn’t there an elephant in the room here? I’m thinking Audi are having a little bit of trouble flogging what is essentially a 12 year old car now and they need to make the sums add up.

Why else would you through away a 35 year old plus marketing USP (quattro 4 wheel drive) in order just to shift a few more units?

[SidewaysSi]

wab172uk said:

nickfrog said:

wab172uk said:

I find that very hard to believe. Unless it takes into consideration London? Which has it's own economic policy.

Has it?

Just look at earnings on the ONS website. Looks like a 2.5% average a year over 12 years for the UK as a whole, including London obviously. You do the maths...

From 2008 will about 2015 not many people (not in my industry, Construction) got a pay rise at all. For at least 5 years mine was 0%. Then maybe 1.5-2% a year after that.

Maybe the public sector contributes to the figures?

You do regularly seem to say how hard you are having it and how people i.e. you can't afford things. Plenty of people with money out there, be that good or bad. Thought construction was minting it during those years anyway? The house market was doing rather well..

[hothatchery7]

vimfuegoturbo said:

Why else would you through away a 35 year old plus marketing USP (quattro 4 wheel drive) in order just to shift a few more units?

You will most likely be right about making the numbers add up however they’re definitely not throwing away the USP, the halo model is still the v10 plus Quattro with quite abit more power than the RWD.

[wab172uk]

SidewaysSi said:

wab172uk said:

nickfrog said:

wab172uk said:

I find that very hard to believe. Unless it takes into consideration London? Which has it's own economic policy.

Has it?

Just look at earnings on the ONS website. Looks like a 2.5% average a year over 12 years for the UK as a whole, including London obviously. You do the maths...

From 2008 will about 2015 not many people (not in my industry, Construction) got a pay rise at all. For at least 5 years mine was 0%. Then maybe 1.5-2% a year after that.

Maybe the public sector contributes to the figures?

You do regularly seem to say how hard you are having it and how people i.e. you can't afford things. Plenty of people with money out there, be that good or bad. Thought construction was minting it during those years anyway? The house market was doing rather well..

I've never said I'm having a hard time. I just don't believe on average peoples wages have risen a third in the last 10 years. The UK average salary has not changed by a third.

Housing market is doing well. I'm in industrial roofing / cladding. It's still tough. Some will be making a lot of money, but I'm a self employed sub-contractor now, so have to price against others for the work. It's a tough market.

Seems not many people want your services unless you are willing to make a loss from day one

[thelostboy]

Salaries have certainly gone up by a third. Housing prices are still still down on a few years back in the SE too. Had two properties valued less than in 2016, my neighbours have just sold for less than they paid in 2016 and I am also buying a place for less than the current owners paid.

Back on topic, this is clearly a ploy to shift more units. I love how it is spun to make it sound like it is some kind of purist option! If you believe that...

I think it is ridiculous to say this is overpriced though. It is a bargain versus the Huracan (although I'd still want the latter). Clearly the guy bleating on about the price has never driven one. These types of cars won't be along much longer, we should be celebrating them.

[VTECMFR]

The R8 is surely one of the most under-appreciated supercar, I mean most snub it as not being a supercar. Well whatever it is, I think they are incredible looking machines that are very capable, and what Audi have done here is added character to the car.

Love it.

[RobM77]

VTECMFR said:

The R8 is surely one of the most under-appreciated supercar, I mean most snub it as not being a supercar. Well whatever it is, I think they are incredible looking machines that are very capable, and what Audi have done here is added character to the car.

Love it.

Something I have noticed on Pistonheads is a tendency to rate a car based on the badge, the image, or who buys them; rather than what the car actually is. I think this is at work here; after all, this is a V10 powered mid engined coupé, which is most certainly a supercar in engineering terms.

[nickfrog]

wab172uk said:

I just don't believe on average peoples wages have risen a third in the last 10 years. The UK average salary has not changed by a third.

You don't believe the Office for National Statistics?

It's all there, just a quick Google away as mentioned already.

It's not easily arguable as it's pretty factual, irrespective of one's particular situation, industry or location.

[RobM77]

nickfrog said:

wab172uk said:

I just don't believe on average peoples wages have risen a third in the last 10 years. The UK average salary has not changed by a third.

You don't believe the Office for National Statistics?

It's all there, just a quick Google away as mentioned already.

It's not easily arguable as it's pretty factual, irrespective of one's particular situation, industry or location.

Yes, I posted a graph of wages earlier in the thread. The vertical axis was adjusted for inflation, and the graph clearly shows that public and private sector wages have risen slightly; they certainly haven't fallen. The reason you don't hear about it is most people stay quiet about pay rises - personally I only tell my wife and my parents if I get a rise; but if I'm in a job where the wages have stagnated, I'll openly talk about it.

[Arsecati]

Jesus lads, enough with the bloody wage growth/inflation ste: You'll be going on about bloody brexit next! >