RE: Litchfield Porsche Carrera 4 S (992) | Driven
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cerb4.5lee said:
Porsche dropped the manual in the GT3 and then decided to bring it back because that is what punters wanted. So there is still a market for a manual I think.
What doesn't sit well with me is that this 911 is classed as a sports car, for me a car that weighs this much is more of a GT. Appreciate what everyone feels is a sports car is very subjective though.
I think you may have missed my point in regards to the manual reference: I wasn't being complimentary to those who make such comments! What doesn't sit well with me is that this 911 is classed as a sports car, for me a car that weighs this much is more of a GT. Appreciate what everyone feels is a sports car is very subjective though.
8 weeks in to 992 ownership (C2S), I'm not finding it a dull car, and certainly not finding it lacking in power. I guess if you were coming from a Exige or an Atom, or a mid spec Fezza / Lambo, GT2/3 etc you may find it a little dull, but really?!? Some of the comments on here really are bordering on a combination of provocation / stupidity / jealousy / fantasy. No one who has been in mine, seen mine, heard about mine, in real life, has commented on its dullness. Most just s
t themselves at the rate the damn thing picks up speed and then slows / goes around corners. And the width / cost of rear tyres. That gets lots of mentions. I'm guessing 95%+ plus of the UK population with a vague interest in cars would be exactly the same.
Sports car or GT car, who knows, who cares. Mine blasts around Herefordshire / Worcestershire / Welsh Borders (yes, we really do have some awesome roads in the Midlands) early on Sunday mornings, and has done a couple of trips to the far West of Cornwall runs down the M5 / A30. It is outstanding at both and exactly why most people buy them. Mine, with a few frills added was £102k all in, not a £120k+ car, and to be honest I could not find anything similar NEW for that money in the same league (M cars dont do it for me, Aston / Macca are next level up and Evora felt dated in comparison).
Rant over, back to Litchfield.
Interestingly, they are based a few hundred yards from where I work and also only a few hundred yards from my OPC in Tewkesbury. I've spent years watching Subaru's and Skylines burble past my office window, thinking if only..... During one of my many drop-ins to look at / test drive 911's, got chatting to one of the guys who mentioned Litchfields had taken a couple of 991's and 992's off them for testing over the years. They reckoned they had seen 460-475bhp off a number of dyno runs on the 992 C2S for starters, and that the work they were doing adding 100bhp+ was just a testament to the strength / build quality etc. of the engines and clearly a sign of whats to come with the GTS / Turbo. They seemed genuinely passionate and excited about the work Litchfields were doing and happy to share the stories. Surprisingly open about it actually, which is good.
I guess until some punter comes in 9 months later with a borked engine thats not under warranty!!!!!
Would I spend £1100 on 580bhp upgrade? If it was warrantied, yes, but it isn't, so I won't. For starters, the 450bhp I already have takes me to places where my driving talents run out. But I am very glad places like Litchfield exist, and if / when I decide I need a decent sports exhaust sans filters, they'll be my first port of call.
t themselves at the rate the damn thing picks up speed and then slows / goes around corners. And the width / cost of rear tyres. That gets lots of mentions. I'm guessing 95%+ plus of the UK population with a vague interest in cars would be exactly the same.Sports car or GT car, who knows, who cares. Mine blasts around Herefordshire / Worcestershire / Welsh Borders (yes, we really do have some awesome roads in the Midlands) early on Sunday mornings, and has done a couple of trips to the far West of Cornwall runs down the M5 / A30. It is outstanding at both and exactly why most people buy them. Mine, with a few frills added was £102k all in, not a £120k+ car, and to be honest I could not find anything similar NEW for that money in the same league (M cars dont do it for me, Aston / Macca are next level up and Evora felt dated in comparison).
Rant over, back to Litchfield.
Interestingly, they are based a few hundred yards from where I work and also only a few hundred yards from my OPC in Tewkesbury. I've spent years watching Subaru's and Skylines burble past my office window, thinking if only..... During one of my many drop-ins to look at / test drive 911's, got chatting to one of the guys who mentioned Litchfields had taken a couple of 991's and 992's off them for testing over the years. They reckoned they had seen 460-475bhp off a number of dyno runs on the 992 C2S for starters, and that the work they were doing adding 100bhp+ was just a testament to the strength / build quality etc. of the engines and clearly a sign of whats to come with the GTS / Turbo. They seemed genuinely passionate and excited about the work Litchfields were doing and happy to share the stories. Surprisingly open about it actually, which is good.
I guess until some punter comes in 9 months later with a borked engine thats not under warranty!!!!!
Would I spend £1100 on 580bhp upgrade? If it was warrantied, yes, but it isn't, so I won't. For starters, the 450bhp I already have takes me to places where my driving talents run out. But I am very glad places like Litchfield exist, and if / when I decide I need a decent sports exhaust sans filters, they'll be my first port of call.
dgswk said:
8 weeks in to 992 ownership (C2S), I'm not finding it a dull car, and certainly not finding it lacking in power. I guess if you were coming from a Exige or an Atom, or a mid spec Fezza / Lambo, GT2/3 etc you may find it a little dull, but really?!? Some of the comments on here really are bordering on a combination of provocation / stupidity / jealousy / fantasy. No one who has been in mine, seen mine, heard about mine, in real life, has commented on its dullness. Most just st themselves at the rate the damn thing picks up speed and then slows / goes around corners. And the width / cost of rear tyres. That gets lots of mentions. I'm guessing 95%+ plus of the UK population with a vague interest in cars would be exactly the same.
Sports car or GT car, who knows, who cares. Mine blasts around Herefordshire / Worcestershire / Welsh Borders (yes, we really do have some awesome roads in the Midlands) early on Sunday mornings, and has done a couple of trips to the far West of Cornwall runs down the M5 / A30. It is outstanding at both and exactly why most people buy them. Mine, with a few frills added was £102k all in, not a £120k+ car, and to be honest I could not find anything similar NEW for that money in the same league (M cars dont do it for me, Aston / Macca are next level up and Evora felt dated in comparison).
Rant over, back to Litchfield.
Interestingly, they are based a few hundred yards from where I work and also only a few hundred yards from my OPC in Tewkesbury. I've spent years watching Subaru's and Skylines burble past my office window, thinking if only..... During one of my many drop-ins to look at / test drive 911's, got chatting to one of the guys who mentioned Litchfields had taken a couple of 991's and 992's off them for testing over the years. They reckoned they had seen 460-475bhp off a number of dyno runs on the 992 C2S for starters, and that the work they were doing adding 100bhp+ was just a testament to the strength / build quality etc. of the engines and clearly a sign of whats to come with the GTS / Turbo. They seemed genuinely passionate and excited about the work Litchfields were doing and happy to share the stories. Surprisingly open about it actually, which is good.
I guess until some punter comes in 9 months later with a borked engine thats not under warranty!!!!!
Would I spend £1100 on 580bhp upgrade? If it was warrantied, yes, but it isn't, so I won't. For starters, the 450bhp I already have takes me to places where my driving talents run out. But I am very glad places like Litchfield exist, and if / when I decide I need a decent sports exhaust sans filters, they'll be my first port of call.
Couldn't agree more, the 992 C2S/C4S is a fantastic car and not dull at all (unless as you say compared to a track day only car)t themselves at the rate the damn thing picks up speed and then slows / goes around corners. And the width / cost of rear tyres. That gets lots of mentions. I'm guessing 95%+ plus of the UK population with a vague interest in cars would be exactly the same.Sports car or GT car, who knows, who cares. Mine blasts around Herefordshire / Worcestershire / Welsh Borders (yes, we really do have some awesome roads in the Midlands) early on Sunday mornings, and has done a couple of trips to the far West of Cornwall runs down the M5 / A30. It is outstanding at both and exactly why most people buy them. Mine, with a few frills added was £102k all in, not a £120k+ car, and to be honest I could not find anything similar NEW for that money in the same league (M cars dont do it for me, Aston / Macca are next level up and Evora felt dated in comparison).
Rant over, back to Litchfield.
Interestingly, they are based a few hundred yards from where I work and also only a few hundred yards from my OPC in Tewkesbury. I've spent years watching Subaru's and Skylines burble past my office window, thinking if only..... During one of my many drop-ins to look at / test drive 911's, got chatting to one of the guys who mentioned Litchfields had taken a couple of 991's and 992's off them for testing over the years. They reckoned they had seen 460-475bhp off a number of dyno runs on the 992 C2S for starters, and that the work they were doing adding 100bhp+ was just a testament to the strength / build quality etc. of the engines and clearly a sign of whats to come with the GTS / Turbo. They seemed genuinely passionate and excited about the work Litchfields were doing and happy to share the stories. Surprisingly open about it actually, which is good.
I guess until some punter comes in 9 months later with a borked engine thats not under warranty!!!!!
Would I spend £1100 on 580bhp upgrade? If it was warrantied, yes, but it isn't, so I won't. For starters, the 450bhp I already have takes me to places where my driving talents run out. But I am very glad places like Litchfield exist, and if / when I decide I need a decent sports exhaust sans filters, they'll be my first port of call.
The new TTS is rumoured to have 640 BHP!
I think this is probably right, however, my experience of Porsche’s is that there are daily driver Porsche’s and there are hot Porsche’s, and only the latter will deliver the adrenaline rush which is the thing I would buy one for. The former will disappoint. I’m not interested in how it deals with the daily commute. This might be quite wrong for the 991 & 992, because I haven’t driven either.
Porsche of course will only sell GT models to those and such as those, Chris Harris etc., which is the reason I own other non-Porsche stuff, and took the good doctor off my Christmas card list. However, Litchfield do an upgraded 991 T, which I believed retained its Porsche warranty. It also sounded, from the Autocar road test, like an excellent piece of kit, based on a manual box and less soundproofing. That I completely support, but to do a Lite job on a 992 C4S? I don’t see the point.
Porsche of course will only sell GT models to those and such as those, Chris Harris etc., which is the reason I own other non-Porsche stuff, and took the good doctor off my Christmas card list. However, Litchfield do an upgraded 991 T, which I believed retained its Porsche warranty. It also sounded, from the Autocar road test, like an excellent piece of kit, based on a manual box and less soundproofing. That I completely support, but to do a Lite job on a 992 C4S? I don’t see the point.
cardigankid said:
I think this is probably right, however, my experience of Porsche’s is that there are daily driver Porsche’s and there are hot Porsche’s, and only the latter will deliver the adrenaline rush which is the thing I would buy one for. The former will disappoint. I’m not interested in how it deals with the daily commute. This might be quite wrong for the 991 & 992, because I haven’t driven either.
Porsche of course will only sell GT models to those and such as those, Chris Harris etc., which is the reason I own other non-Porsche stuff, and took the good doctor off my Christmas card list. However, Litchfield do an upgraded 991 T, which I believed retained its Porsche warranty. It also sounded, from the Autocar road test, like an excellent piece of kit, based on a manual box and less soundproofing. That I completely support, but to do a Lite job on a 992 C4S? I don’t see the point.
I do hope the work Litchfield are doing with the 992 is just for starters, a 'look at us' statement, marketing if you like, for whats to come as I'm fairly sure very few new 992 owners would take the warranty risk as it stands. Yup, a 992 C2 in -T trim, manual, maybe trim 50kgs off with a lightweight no-filters exhaust, lightened glass etc etc with a nice rounded 550bhp, and warranted, would be a very lovely thing. Bit like Mountune is to ST's.Porsche of course will only sell GT models to those and such as those, Chris Harris etc., which is the reason I own other non-Porsche stuff, and took the good doctor off my Christmas card list. However, Litchfield do an upgraded 991 T, which I believed retained its Porsche warranty. It also sounded, from the Autocar road test, like an excellent piece of kit, based on a manual box and less soundproofing. That I completely support, but to do a Lite job on a 992 C4S? I don’t see the point.
Litchfield feedback from my OPC certainly wasn't "oh yeah, those boys around the corner, dont go there, they'll b*gg*r your engine", far from it, which when you read some of the snobbery that purportedly exists within the OPC network, pleasantly surprised me.
I'd still probably take the PDK C2S if I'm honest as it does need to be a GT car a good few days a year, and frankly I cant be arsed to change gears anymore. So exhaust backbox upgrade and say a warranted 550bhp please for c. £3-4k and I'd probably be in.
What a scorching daily that would be!
dgswk said:
8 weeks in to 992 ownership (C2S), I'm not finding it a dull car, and certainly not finding it lacking in power. I guess if you were coming from a Exige or an Atom, or a mid spec Fezza / Lambo, GT2/3 etc you may find it a little dull, but really?!? Some of the comments on here really are bordering on a combination of provocation / stupidity / jealousy / fantasy. No one who has been in mine, seen mine, heard about mine, in real life, has commented on its dullness. Most just st themselves at the rate the damn thing picks up speed and then slows / goes around corners. And the width / cost of rear tyres. That gets lots of mentions. I'm guessing 95%+ plus of the UK population with a vague interest in cars would be exactly the same.
Sports car or GT car, who knows, who cares. Mine blasts around Herefordshire / Worcestershire / Welsh Borders (yes, we really do have some awesome roads in the Midlands) early on Sunday mornings, and has done a couple of trips to the far West of Cornwall runs down the M5 / A30. It is outstanding at both and exactly why most people buy them. Mine, with a few frills added was £102k all in, not a £120k+ car, and to be honest I could not find anything similar NEW for that money in the same league (M cars dont do it for me, Aston / Macca are next level up and Evora felt dated in comparison).
Rant over, back to Litchfield.
Interestingly, they are based a few hundred yards from where I work and also only a few hundred yards from my OPC in Tewkesbury. I've spent years watching Subaru's and Skylines burble past my office window, thinking if only..... During one of my many drop-ins to look at / test drive 911's, got chatting to one of the guys who mentioned Litchfields had taken a couple of 991's and 992's off them for testing over the years. They reckoned they had seen 460-475bhp off a number of dyno runs on the 992 C2S for starters, and that the work they were doing adding 100bhp+ was just a testament to the strength / build quality etc. of the engines and clearly a sign of whats to come with the GTS / Turbo. They seemed genuinely passionate and excited about the work Litchfields were doing and happy to share the stories. Surprisingly open about it actually, which is good.
I guess until some punter comes in 9 months later with a borked engine thats not under warranty!!!!!
Would I spend £1100 on 580bhp upgrade? If it was warrantied, yes, but it isn't, so I won't. For starters, the 450bhp I already have takes me to places where my driving talents run out. But I am very glad places like Litchfield exist, and if / when I decide I need a decent sports exhaust sans filters, they'll be my first port of call.
What a great post - thanks for sharing your personal experience.t themselves at the rate the damn thing picks up speed and then slows / goes around corners. And the width / cost of rear tyres. That gets lots of mentions. I'm guessing 95%+ plus of the UK population with a vague interest in cars would be exactly the same.Sports car or GT car, who knows, who cares. Mine blasts around Herefordshire / Worcestershire / Welsh Borders (yes, we really do have some awesome roads in the Midlands) early on Sunday mornings, and has done a couple of trips to the far West of Cornwall runs down the M5 / A30. It is outstanding at both and exactly why most people buy them. Mine, with a few frills added was £102k all in, not a £120k+ car, and to be honest I could not find anything similar NEW for that money in the same league (M cars dont do it for me, Aston / Macca are next level up and Evora felt dated in comparison).
Rant over, back to Litchfield.
Interestingly, they are based a few hundred yards from where I work and also only a few hundred yards from my OPC in Tewkesbury. I've spent years watching Subaru's and Skylines burble past my office window, thinking if only..... During one of my many drop-ins to look at / test drive 911's, got chatting to one of the guys who mentioned Litchfields had taken a couple of 991's and 992's off them for testing over the years. They reckoned they had seen 460-475bhp off a number of dyno runs on the 992 C2S for starters, and that the work they were doing adding 100bhp+ was just a testament to the strength / build quality etc. of the engines and clearly a sign of whats to come with the GTS / Turbo. They seemed genuinely passionate and excited about the work Litchfields were doing and happy to share the stories. Surprisingly open about it actually, which is good.
I guess until some punter comes in 9 months later with a borked engine thats not under warranty!!!!!
Would I spend £1100 on 580bhp upgrade? If it was warrantied, yes, but it isn't, so I won't. For starters, the 450bhp I already have takes me to places where my driving talents run out. But I am very glad places like Litchfield exist, and if / when I decide I need a decent sports exhaust sans filters, they'll be my first port of call.
Interesting also to hear you've gone through OPC Tewkesbury - same here, they were generally much more helpful, respectful, and interested than, for example, Swindon.
My C2S arrives later this month, ready for a December collection (ie I cant physically pay for the car until December!), and I cant wait.
A 'loud' (literally and figuratively) car for me is out of the question - I will see clients in it, will DD it, and personally want to keep the right side of classy than racy. The 992 does this very well - as do other cars, I'm not saying it's the only one.
As to the point of this thread, I'm intrigued and delighted that this sort of power is available from a remap, but it's not for me. IF something goes wrong, I need to know I can take it to Porsche and it will be fixed under warranty.
If I end up buying the car at some point, then I'd certainly consider it though!
5K miles into my C2S on mix of Perthshire and Central Belt roads.
Growing to love it more and more by the day. IIRC the output has been found to be nearer 480 - I can't see the need for any more unless you are visiting tracks.
It is astonishingly capable. The handling is sublime. The speed at which it gathers pace hugely deceptive. It's a Swiss army knife - but with each tool so good that you question why you would buy anything separate or different.
My problem will be the decision to keep it and do a huge mileage and bust the wallet, or get out whilst the odometer is showing something that is only mildly wallet busting.
Growing to love it more and more by the day. IIRC the output has been found to be nearer 480 - I can't see the need for any more unless you are visiting tracks.
It is astonishingly capable. The handling is sublime. The speed at which it gathers pace hugely deceptive. It's a Swiss army knife - but with each tool so good that you question why you would buy anything separate or different.
My problem will be the decision to keep it and do a huge mileage and bust the wallet, or get out whilst the odometer is showing something that is only mildly wallet busting.
All this talk of how the 911 is no longer a sports car and handle beautifully has made me realise that I need to hand my PH card in... I'd love a 911 and would have one in a heartbeat, and especially love older ones. If I ever get to the position to buy one I don't actually think I'd be thinking too much about the handling / fun. First and foremost, the reason I lobe the 911 is because I love the looks. The performance is nice, but anything more than 400 bhp is probably wasted on me. As long as I get time to gel with the car and learn my limits of it then I'm delighted.
cardigankid said:
I'm sure that it is truly epic, but some of us crave firmer suspension, a lack of soundproofing, instant punch and a healthy yowl from the exhaust, for their own sake.
Couldn't agree more. But plenty of other and SH options to choose from to keep the likes of us happy.Personally I quite fancy a 997 with some Ohlins, LSD etc as a fun, impractical family car.
mwstewart said:
Can't argue with that for the small outlay. Seems like a great daily. The lack of warranty wouldn't concern me.
Yeah but you take stuff to bits, then completely re engineer it anyway 
"But Mr Stewart, we cannot honour the Warranty on your Porsche 911 as it is now has a turbine engine from a Chinook and only 3 percent of the rest of it is as it left our factory"
Ant922599 said:
dgswk said:
8 weeks in to 992 ownership (C2S), I'm not finding it a dull car, and certainly not finding it lacking in power. I guess if you were coming from a Exige or an Atom, or a mid spec Fezza / Lambo, GT2/3 etc you may find it a little dull, but really?!? Some of the comments on here really are bordering on a combination of provocation / stupidity / jealousy / fantasy. No one who has been in mine, seen mine, heard about mine, in real life, has commented on its dullness. Most just st themselves at the rate the damn thing picks up speed and then slows / goes around corners. And the width / cost of rear tyres. That gets lots of mentions. I'm guessing 95%+ plus of the UK population with a vague interest in cars would be exactly the same.
Sports car or GT car, who knows, who cares. Mine blasts around Herefordshire / Worcestershire / Welsh Borders (yes, we really do have some awesome roads in the Midlands) early on Sunday mornings, and has done a couple of trips to the far West of Cornwall runs down the M5 / A30. It is outstanding at both and exactly why most people buy them. Mine, with a few frills added was £102k all in, not a £120k+ car, and to be honest I could not find anything similar NEW for that money in the same league (M cars dont do it for me, Aston / Macca are next level up and Evora felt dated in comparison).
Rant over, back to Litchfield.
Interestingly, they are based a few hundred yards from where I work and also only a few hundred yards from my OPC in Tewkesbury. I've spent years watching Subaru's and Skylines burble past my office window, thinking if only..... During one of my many drop-ins to look at / test drive 911's, got chatting to one of the guys who mentioned Litchfields had taken a couple of 991's and 992's off them for testing over the years. They reckoned they had seen 460-475bhp off a number of dyno runs on the 992 C2S for starters, and that the work they were doing adding 100bhp+ was just a testament to the strength / build quality etc. of the engines and clearly a sign of whats to come with the GTS / Turbo. They seemed genuinely passionate and excited about the work Litchfields were doing and happy to share the stories. Surprisingly open about it actually, which is good.
I guess until some punter comes in 9 months later with a borked engine thats not under warranty!!!!!
Would I spend £1100 on 580bhp upgrade? If it was warrantied, yes, but it isn't, so I won't. For starters, the 450bhp I already have takes me to places where my driving talents run out. But I am very glad places like Litchfield exist, and if / when I decide I need a decent sports exhaust sans filters, they'll be my first port of call.
What a great post - thanks for sharing your personal experience.t themselves at the rate the damn thing picks up speed and then slows / goes around corners. And the width / cost of rear tyres. That gets lots of mentions. I'm guessing 95%+ plus of the UK population with a vague interest in cars would be exactly the same.Sports car or GT car, who knows, who cares. Mine blasts around Herefordshire / Worcestershire / Welsh Borders (yes, we really do have some awesome roads in the Midlands) early on Sunday mornings, and has done a couple of trips to the far West of Cornwall runs down the M5 / A30. It is outstanding at both and exactly why most people buy them. Mine, with a few frills added was £102k all in, not a £120k+ car, and to be honest I could not find anything similar NEW for that money in the same league (M cars dont do it for me, Aston / Macca are next level up and Evora felt dated in comparison).
Rant over, back to Litchfield.
Interestingly, they are based a few hundred yards from where I work and also only a few hundred yards from my OPC in Tewkesbury. I've spent years watching Subaru's and Skylines burble past my office window, thinking if only..... During one of my many drop-ins to look at / test drive 911's, got chatting to one of the guys who mentioned Litchfields had taken a couple of 991's and 992's off them for testing over the years. They reckoned they had seen 460-475bhp off a number of dyno runs on the 992 C2S for starters, and that the work they were doing adding 100bhp+ was just a testament to the strength / build quality etc. of the engines and clearly a sign of whats to come with the GTS / Turbo. They seemed genuinely passionate and excited about the work Litchfields were doing and happy to share the stories. Surprisingly open about it actually, which is good.
I guess until some punter comes in 9 months later with a borked engine thats not under warranty!!!!!
Would I spend £1100 on 580bhp upgrade? If it was warrantied, yes, but it isn't, so I won't. For starters, the 450bhp I already have takes me to places where my driving talents run out. But I am very glad places like Litchfield exist, and if / when I decide I need a decent sports exhaust sans filters, they'll be my first port of call.
Interesting also to hear you've gone through OPC Tewkesbury - same here, they were generally much more helpful, respectful, and interested than, for example, Swindon.
My C2S arrives later this month, ready for a December collection (ie I cant physically pay for the car until December!), and I cant wait.
I've had my 992C2S for four months now, and had a track day, driver training at Millbrook in it, a 2000mile hoon round Europe as well as local blasts round rural Wiltshire. Coming out of a 991.2GT3 I don't feel short changed at all. Of course the GT3 feels more of an event but in the real world the C2S is a fantastic piece of kit and not short of power in standard form. Would an extra 100hp make it a better car? Probably not if I'm honest, it feels a well balanced package to me.
Interesting to see how positive Autocar's 'Best Driving Cars' article is for the C2S (and quicker than the GT4 on their track test) in this week's issue.
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