RE: Litchfield Porsche Carrera 4 S (992) | Driven

RE: Litchfield Porsche Carrera 4 S (992) | Driven

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Sandpit Steve

328 posts

21 months

Thursday 7th November
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Ooh, so £99k for 580bhp (yes, plus options, and I’m assuming Litchfield give at least something of a drivetrain warranty on this)

Who else does that, for the same money?

AmosMoses

3,472 posts

112 months

Thursday 7th November
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Wasn't a fan of the 992 at launch but annoyingly it's grown on me, if i had the means it would be the perfectly daily sports car. Especially with some Litchfield magic biggrin

Ho Lee Kau

1,862 posts

72 months

Thursday 7th November
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chelme said:
thelostboy said:
I personally don't get it, so sorry to join in on the negative posts.

You buy a brand new car, only to void the warranty. And as has been mentioned by the article, you are technically breaking finance agreements too - I imagine a huge proportion of these cars are sold with them.

And what does Litchfield really know about the strength of the transmission etc.? What durability testing are they actually doing? More importantly, is he willing to stand by his confidence if something goes wrong?

I'm all for modifying, but for me, it is still a new car that needs to be proven. Given I had a 991 GT3 with TWO engine changes from Porsche, I'd want to keep my warranty very much intact until these cars have proven to be 100% reliable with decent miles on them.
991 GT3 with TWO engine changes...WOW! And there are hacks like Chris Harris and another fanboys who extoll the virtues of 'honest' 'bombproof' Porkers...

It just goes to show how much utter BS flies about these cars.
First 991 GT3 476hp version had engine problems, this is widely known.
I haven't heard bad stories about the subsequent models.

There are 996s and 997s Turbos with 200-300000 miles on the clock. Does that count as "bombproof"?
These are daily cars. Show me daily Ferrari/Lambo/AM/etc.

sidesauce

1,072 posts

165 months

Thursday 7th November
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wab172uk said:
But, I now feel sorry for future owners of these cars.
I wouldn't. I couldn't care less about any of the owners of cars I no longer own. What happens to those cars once they are not mine is no longer my concern, nor my problem.

wab172uk said:
But that sums up society these days. I'm alright, sod everyone else.
And rightfully so - I don't expect anyone to look out for me and if I bought a car secondhand that went on to have problems, I'm not blaming the former owner more than I am blaming myself for not doing my due diligence before purchasing!


Edited by sidesauce on Thursday 7th November 10:17

Midgster

379 posts

181 months

Thursday 7th November
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Ho Lee Kau said:
First 991 GT3 476hp version had engine problems, this is widely known.
I haven't heard bad stories about the subsequent models.

There are 996s and 997s Turbos with 200-300000 miles on the clock. Does that count as "bombproof"?
These are daily cars. Show me daily Ferrari/Lambo/AM/etc.
250,000 mile Lambo

and that was 2 years ago.


Edited by Midgster on Thursday 7th November 10:20

Scottie - NW

903 posts

180 months

Thursday 7th November
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Ho Lee Kau said:
There are 996s and 997s Turbos with 200-300000 miles on the clock. Does that count as "bombproof"?
Hang on, I thought the Turbo's used a completely different engine and block compared to the vast majority of non turbo models?

Agree with most on here, why lose the warranty on a new Porsche with the not great track record they've had previously, and I'd class myself as a Porsche fan so it's not biased against them.

Ho Lee Kau

1,862 posts

72 months

Thursday 7th November
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Arsecati said:
There's something wrong with this comments section: nobody has come on yet and said 'I'd have mine with a manual' or 'it would have to be a manual', or some other reference to this car only being 'proper' if it had a manual! wink
Imho, 911s this powerful make more sense with a PDK.
I say this as an owner of manual 580hp/550lbft 997 Turbo.

Ho Lee Kau

1,862 posts

72 months

Thursday 7th November
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Scottie - NW said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
There are 996s and 997s Turbos with 200-300000 miles on the clock. Does that count as "bombproof"?
Hang on, I thought the Turbo's used a completely different engine and block compared to the vast majority of non turbo models?

Agree with most on here, why lose the warranty on a new Porsche with the not great track record they've had previously, and I'd class myself as a Porsche fan so it's not biased against them.
They did.
But engines in GT3s were similar.

That Lambo with big miles. Great.
When I look in the second hand market I see lots of high-mileage 911s, I see very few high-mileage Ferrari/Lambos.
One is the rule, the other is exception.

Ho Lee Kau

1,862 posts

72 months

Thursday 7th November
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Honeywell said:
It’s a £100k new car that you’ve now got zero warranty on and that you’ve just knocked the re-sale value of by £20,000 which you could have borrowed to buy the actual Porsche 911 Turbo.

Plus it’s pointlessly powerful anyway.

But an MX5 and a SUPERBIKE instead...
I agree on this, to a degree. Superbike on the streets is just as pointlessly powerful as a 500hp 911. Not that it is "boring" to have all that power, of course.

My choice would be (and was for a while, until the Boxster went): 981S Boxster + Daytona 675. smile

130R

6,037 posts

153 months

Thursday 7th November
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Sandpit Steve said:
Ooh, so £99k for 580bhp (yes, plus options, and I’m assuming Litchfield give at least something of a drivetrain warranty on this)

Who else does that, for the same money?
This is a modified car. For 100K there are lots and lots of cars you could make faster than this (whether they would be "better" is entirely subjective)

Scottie - NW

903 posts

180 months

Thursday 7th November
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Ho Lee Kau said:
When I look in the second hand market I see lots of high-mileage 911s, I see very few high-mileage Ferrari/Lambos.
A 911 is pitched as a car you can use every day, that is one of it's strengths, whereas a Ferrari/Lambo are not pitched as that so hardly a surprise you don't see many high mileage examples of the latter.

cowboyengineer

601 posts

61 months

Thursday 7th November
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chelme said:
991 GT3 with TWO engine changes...WOW! And there are hacks like Chris Harris and another fanboys who extoll the virtues of 'honest' 'bombproof' Porkers...

It just goes to show how much utter BS flies about these cars.
Not really. Porsche know there was a problem. Have admitted it and given all 991.1gt3s 10 year engine warranty. And since they upgrade the engine when they fix it with new parts to stop the issue then they are now pretty bombproof

wab172uk

1,455 posts

174 months

Thursday 7th November
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sidesauce said:
wab172uk said:
But, I now feel sorry for future owners of these cars.
I wouldn't. I couldn't care less about any of the owners of cars I no longer own. What happens to those cars once they are not mine is no longer my concern, nor my problem.

wab172uk said:
But that sums up society these days. I'm alright, sod everyone else.
And rightfully so - I don't expect anyone to look out for me and if I bought a car secondhand that went on to have problems, I'm not blaming the former owner more than I am blaming myself for not doing my due diligence before purchasing!


Edited by sidesauce on Thursday 7th November 10:17
Maybe you'd think a little differently if you were on the receiving end though?

This is why I'm not keen on buying second hand performance cars, or at least not from anyone other than an authorised dealer.

Dr G

13,804 posts

189 months

Thursday 7th November
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wab172uk said:
Probably because Porsche don't currently sell a manual. But if they did ..........
I think they're saying mid 2020 for the manuals at the mo.

I'm sure it's an extremely fast car now and I'm glad companies like Litchfield exist, but to my simple mind the risk does not outweigh the reward on a car that's already quite rapid.

shantybeater

855 posts

116 months

Thursday 7th November
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That’s exactly the same output as a mapped 996 Turbo (x50). Not sure what’s more impressive, Carreras catching the ‘turbo’ flagship or a 16 year old turbo still hanging with some of the latest material

PorkInsider

3,698 posts

88 months

Thursday 7th November
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wab172uk said:
Maybe you'd think a little differently if you were on the receiving end though?

This is why I'm not keen on buying second hand performance cars, or at least not from anyone other than an authorised dealer.
And even then you've got to be extremely careful.

It's not unknown for main dealers to inadvertently (presumably) punt second hand cars which have been previously remapped, with issues only coming to light when there's resistance from the factory over later warranty claims.

NJJ

196 posts

27 months

Thursday 7th November
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It never gets commented on articles about Litchfield, but what warranty cover do they offer if any for their mods? It makes perfect sense to mod the car once the standard manufacture warranty has expired but from new, surely its lunacy? Does not matter how wealthy you are if you are hit with a gearbox/engine re-build it will hurt.

red997

1,254 posts

156 months

Thursday 7th November
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If litchfield believe that the drivetrain can easily handle the extra torque / HP increase that the remap delivers, then they should warranty that section themselves. Porsche are not going to.

I like the idea, but needs a safety net.

(And my 991 GT3 has had 2 x engines )

PorkInsider

3,698 posts

88 months

Thursday 7th November
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Sandpit Steve said:
Ooh, so £99k for 580bhp (yes, plus options, and I’m assuming Litchfield give at least something of a drivetrain warranty on this)

Who else does that, for the same money?
Well I'm not one for comparing secondhand cars to new ones - it annoys me when people say that rather than rather than buying X at £xxk new, you could buy Y which is better, when that's actually 5 years old and But in this case it would be valid to look at that.

I personally wouldn't spend £100k+ on a new car and immediately invalidate its drivetrain warranty without considering something else first.

If it was an approved, warranted modification then fine.

Edited by PorkInsider on Thursday 7th November 11:20

CrossMember

1,509 posts

86 months

Thursday 7th November
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Porsches are pretty much warrantied for life though (for a very reasonable annual fee), so you're either the sort of person who will never do this upgrade and always keep the warranty renewed, or will do the upgrade immediately and to heck with the warranty. There's no natural 3 year end of warranty point where this upgrade suddenly makes sense. It's either for you or it isn't.

I think it that has to be getting close to the ultimate daily driver. So easy to live with, so nice to sit in, and so flippin' quick when you want it to be.