The truth about tyre repairs.
Discussion
as said there is nothing wrong with repaired tyres!
Its all scare mongering by the tyre companies to get you to spend more money!
I would of thought the modern way would be to encourage repair which reduces the waste.
I have happily repaired punctures on a variety of cars I have owned never with any problems
Its all scare mongering by the tyre companies to get you to spend more money!
I would of thought the modern way would be to encourage repair which reduces the waste.
I have happily repaired punctures on a variety of cars I have owned never with any problems
irocfan said:
Do you mean different brands front and rear or different sizes?
Different tread patterns. I have had it a few times now, on BMWs where they have become a bit of a twitchy mess with different tyres front and rear. Traction light coming on far too often on damp roundabouts to the back end kicking out when going to overtake.
The more powerful the car the more it is noticeable, but once you have had it you can tell the signs even on a 320d for example.
The real eye opener, which was the thing that got me to realise how much it can affect things, was with the M3 CSL.
It was scary bad.
BMW had it in, swapped control arms, dampers, springs, did a 4 wheel alignment half a dozen times and couldn't work it out.
They then called me to say someone was in the Norwich workshop from an Essex branch covering holidays who raced M3s and they were talking about my car to him, they said to pop down and he would take it out.
We came off the slip road, got to the next roundabout and came off the first exit and he said "You have mismatched tyres front and rear."
I was adamant I had Pilot Sports all round.
We pulled over, got out and sure enough he was right PS1s on the front and PS2s on the rear.
Put PS2s on the front and BINGO! Absolutely planted straight away.
He said with 4 matching tyres it should be a real effort to get the traction light to flicker on any BMW.
You may be fine with different tyres front and rear, but in my experience on the few occasions where I have been waiting for fronts or rears to come in, and have ran with different ones for a week or so, you can feel how much difference it makes. Hence I never do it anymore.
Leptons said:
DaveH23 said:
If you were doing a bungee jump would you still be comfortable jumping knowing the Bungee had previously been repaired because of damage, or a parachute?
The difference there is you will probably only kill yourself if it goes tits up, you're dicing with other people's lives repairing tyres in my opinion.
It's a few hundred quid in the majority of cases for a new tyre. Sometimes alot cheaper and others more but we all buy cars we can afford to run, right......?
Jesus Christ.The difference there is you will probably only kill yourself if it goes tits up, you're dicing with other people's lives repairing tyres in my opinion.
It's a few hundred quid in the majority of cases for a new tyre. Sometimes alot cheaper and others more but we all buy cars we can afford to run, right......?
mygoldfishbowl said:
Leptons said:
DaveH23 said:
If you were doing a bungee jump would you still be comfortable jumping knowing the Bungee had previously been repaired because of damage, or a parachute?
The difference there is you will probably only kill yourself if it goes tits up, you're dicing with other people's lives repairing tyres in my opinion.
It's a few hundred quid in the majority of cases for a new tyre. Sometimes alot cheaper and others more but we all buy cars we can afford to run, right......?
Jesus Christ.The difference there is you will probably only kill yourself if it goes tits up, you're dicing with other people's lives repairing tyres in my opinion.
It's a few hundred quid in the majority of cases for a new tyre. Sometimes alot cheaper and others more but we all buy cars we can afford to run, right......?
Never heard of the two repairs in one quarter and looking at the below industry standard neither have they.
I suspect the supplier has made it up or has their own policy but if you retained the tyre you could get a second opinion and repair.
There is a lot of rot spoken about tyre repairs and even a tyre with a major repair is perfectly safe. For some they prefer to have a new tyre everytime which is fine if you want to but it is never on safety grounds as tyres are designed to be repaired
http://btmauk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Minor...
I suspect the supplier has made it up or has their own policy but if you retained the tyre you could get a second opinion and repair.
There is a lot of rot spoken about tyre repairs and even a tyre with a major repair is perfectly safe. For some they prefer to have a new tyre everytime which is fine if you want to but it is never on safety grounds as tyres are designed to be repaired
http://btmauk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Minor...
Had a plug repair done by my local tyre dealer on one of the Mini's rear tyres when the car was just a few months old (tyre had less than 3k on it). That was 18 months ago, and it hasn't given me any issues since.
It was a very slow puncture caused by a nail (which was still in the tyre), and was losing 1-2 PSI overnight according to the TPMS. I topped the pressure off as soon as it flagged, so the tyre was never allowed to run more than a few PSI under its recommended pressure, and then only at town speeds for a mile or so. There was no question of any underinflation damage having occurred.
Cost me a tenner for the repair, which was infinitely preferable to £100 or so for a new premium tyre.
It was a very slow puncture caused by a nail (which was still in the tyre), and was losing 1-2 PSI overnight according to the TPMS. I topped the pressure off as soon as it flagged, so the tyre was never allowed to run more than a few PSI under its recommended pressure, and then only at town speeds for a mile or so. There was no question of any underinflation damage having occurred.
Cost me a tenner for the repair, which was infinitely preferable to £100 or so for a new premium tyre.
DaveH23 said:
If you were doing a bungee jump would you still be comfortable jumping knowing the Bungee had previously been repaired because of damage, or a parachute?
The difference there is you will probably only kill yourself if it goes tits up, you're dicing with other people's lives repairing tyres in my opinion.
It's a few hundred quid in the majority of cases for a new tyre. Sometimes alot cheaper and others more but we all buy cars we can afford to run, right......?
Very funny. The difference there is you will probably only kill yourself if it goes tits up, you're dicing with other people's lives repairing tyres in my opinion.
It's a few hundred quid in the majority of cases for a new tyre. Sometimes alot cheaper and others more but we all buy cars we can afford to run, right......?
I suppose you would never get on a plane,train or automobile or get on a boat at all as it may have been repaired at some point.
What about your house? Do you buy a new one if it ever needs a repair?
You Sir should do a bit of research rather than flush money down the toilet.
gizlaroc said:
irocfan said:
Do you mean different brands front and rear or different sizes?
Different tread patterns. I have had it a few times now, on BMWs where they have become a bit of a twitchy mess with different tyres front and rear. Traction light coming on far too often on damp roundabouts to the back end kicking out when going to overtake.
The more powerful the car the more it is noticeable, but once you have had it you can tell the signs even on a 320d for example.
The real eye opener, which was the thing that got me to realise how much it can affect things, was with the M3 CSL.
It was scary bad.
BMW had it in, swapped control arms, dampers, springs, did a 4 wheel alignment half a dozen times and couldn't work it out.
They then called me to say someone was in the Norwich workshop from an Essex branch covering holidays who raced M3s and they were talking about my car to him, they said to pop down and he would take it out.
We came off the slip road, got to the next roundabout and came off the first exit and he said "You have mismatched tyres front and rear."
I was adamant I had Pilot Sports all round.
We pulled over, got out and sure enough he was right PS1s on the front and PS2s on the rear.
Put PS2s on the front and BINGO! Absolutely planted straight away.
He said with 4 matching tyres it should be a real effort to get the traction light to flicker on any BMW.
You may be fine with different tyres front and rear, but in my experience on the few occasions where I have been waiting for fronts or rears to come in, and have ran with different ones for a week or so, you can feel how much difference it makes. Hence I never do it anymore.
Add in also that I don't 100% trust tyres that other people have driven on - you don't know if they have been bounced up and down kerbs, run low on air etc etc - only thing keeping you on the black stuff is four smallish contact patches where rubber interfaces with road.
That said I just purchased a set of second hand winters on steels for the daily but they'd only done one trip to the Alps and the seller was a proper car nut like me......
The thing people NEVER think about is that when you get a puncture. You're exposing the steel bands in the tyre to the elements.
No plug will fill the hole completely. Hence why they have the mushroom shaped bit behind which actually seals the air into the tyre.
So unless you never drive in the rain. Or over wet ground. Or wash the car. In time the steel will corrode and eventually fail.
No plug will fill the hole completely. Hence why they have the mushroom shaped bit behind which actually seals the air into the tyre.
So unless you never drive in the rain. Or over wet ground. Or wash the car. In time the steel will corrode and eventually fail.
I got two flats in a day yesterday!
I was swapping to my winter wheels, got a flat on one of the tyres on the way there. Nail in tyre.
Then bugger me, got one last night in the winters too.
Luckily it was again in the middle.
I reckon it is because of all the rain, so much s
t washed into the road?
Bloody annoying though.
I was swapping to my winter wheels, got a flat on one of the tyres on the way there. Nail in tyre.
Then bugger me, got one last night in the winters too.
Luckily it was again in the middle.
I reckon it is because of all the rain, so much s
t washed into the road?Bloody annoying though.
gizlaroc said:
irocfan said:
Do you mean different brands front and rear or different sizes?
Different tread patterns. I have had it a few times now, on BMWs where they have become a bit of a twitchy mess with different tyres front and rear. Traction light coming on far too often on damp roundabouts to the back end kicking out when going to overtake.
The more powerful the car the more it is noticeable, but once you have had it you can tell the signs even on a 320d for example.
The real eye opener, which was the thing that got me to realise how much it can affect things, was with the M3 CSL.
It was scary bad.
BMW had it in, swapped control arms, dampers, springs, did a 4 wheel alignment half a dozen times and couldn't work it out.
They then called me to say someone was in the Norwich workshop from an Essex branch covering holidays who raced M3s and they were talking about my car to him, they said to pop down and he would take it out.
We came off the slip road, got to the next roundabout and came off the first exit and he said "You have mismatched tyres front and rear."
I was adamant I had Pilot Sports all round.
We pulled over, got out and sure enough he was right PS1s on the front and PS2s on the rear.
Put PS2s on the front and BINGO! Absolutely planted straight away.
He said with 4 matching tyres it should be a real effort to get the traction light to flicker on any BMW.
You may be fine with different tyres front and rear, but in my experience on the few occasions where I have been waiting for fronts or rears to come in, and have ran with different ones for a week or so, you can feel how much difference it makes. Hence I never do it anymore.
How does it make a difference if you have PS2 front and rear, for the rear traction to differ? You could have Toyo R888 all round, or just on the rear and China’s finest budget on the front, but if you’re gonna spin the rear wheels, the fronts have absolutely no bearing on this??
I raced E46 and E92, and if the rear is gonna break away, there’s no way having good Tyres’s on the front would stop that?
Edited by rash_decision on Friday 15th November 05:47
rash_decision said:
Ok, i’ll bite.
How does it make a difference if you have PS2 front and rear, for the rear traction to differ? You could have Toyo R888 all round, or just on the rear and China’s finest budget on the front, but if you’re gonna spin the rear wheels, the fronts have absolutely no bearing on this??
I raced E46 and E92, and if the rear is gonna break away, there’s no way having good Tyres’s on the front would stop that?
It is the difference between grip levels on each axle I guess?How does it make a difference if you have PS2 front and rear, for the rear traction to differ? You could have Toyo R888 all round, or just on the rear and China’s finest budget on the front, but if you’re gonna spin the rear wheels, the fronts have absolutely no bearing on this??
I raced E46 and E92, and if the rear is gonna break away, there’s no way having good Tyres’s on the front would stop that?
It wasn't subtle by the way.
Putting my foot down to simply move into the outside lane on the A11 to overtake someone in the damp got the back end twitching. That was the point I took it in.
What I have found is it more apparent with asymmetrical tyres on the rear and symmetrical on the front.
gizlaroc said:
rash_decision said:
Ok, i’ll bite.
How does it make a difference if you have PS2 front and rear, for the rear traction to differ? You could have Toyo R888 all round, or just on the rear and China’s finest budget on the front, but if you’re gonna spin the rear wheels, the fronts have absolutely no bearing on this??
I raced E46 and E92, and if the rear is gonna break away, there’s no way having good Tyres’s on the front would stop that?
It is the difference between grip levels on each axle I guess?How does it make a difference if you have PS2 front and rear, for the rear traction to differ? You could have Toyo R888 all round, or just on the rear and China’s finest budget on the front, but if you’re gonna spin the rear wheels, the fronts have absolutely no bearing on this??
I raced E46 and E92, and if the rear is gonna break away, there’s no way having good Tyres’s on the front would stop that?
It wasn't subtle by the way.
Putting my foot down to simply move into the outside lane on the A11 to overtake someone in the damp got the back end twitching. That was the point I took it in.
What I have found is it more apparent with asymmetrical tyres on the rear and symmetrical on the front.
Anyway, glad you sorted it out and noticed a difference. 👍🏻
rash_decision said:
Ok, I understand the rear possibly stepping out a bit under hard acceleration, but having 4 matching tyres wouldn’t prevent that happening. That’s just a phenomenon of fairly high powered, light at the back end, RWD cars.
Anyway, glad you sorted it out and noticed a difference. ????
I thought exactly the same as you. Anyway, glad you sorted it out and noticed a difference. ????
I was adamant it couldn't be tyres.
It was.
I have spent the last 15 years hearing people on forums asking why their car feels so lose at the back, the one thing that I always say is "I bet you have different tyres front and rear?"
9 times out of 10 they have, after lots of persuasion swapped and come back amazed that the car now feels completely planted.
DaveH23 said:
If you were doing a bungee jump would you still be comfortable jumping knowing the Bungee had previously been repaired because of damage, or a parachute?
The difference there is you will probably only kill yourself if it goes tits up, you're dicing with other people's lives repairing tyres in my opinion.
It's a few hundred quid in the majority of cases for a new tyre. Sometimes alot cheaper and others more but we all buy cars we can afford to run, right......?
This can't be a serious post surely? It must be a joke post?? The difference there is you will probably only kill yourself if it goes tits up, you're dicing with other people's lives repairing tyres in my opinion.
It's a few hundred quid in the majority of cases for a new tyre. Sometimes alot cheaper and others more but we all buy cars we can afford to run, right......?
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