RE: MG SV-R | The Brave Pill
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300bhp/ton said:
CaptainMorgan said:
Christ I bet that's horrific to drive with that gearbox.
???? what an odd thing to say.I'm sure I sat in one of these at a motor show when they were launched, was there a stripped interior track version?
I also reckon the 1000hp factory NOS kit was legit, MGR's accounts team must have known they wouldn't be around for long enough to have to honour warranty claims so could fit whatever the customer asked for 😁
I also reckon the 1000hp factory NOS kit was legit, MGR's accounts team must have known they wouldn't be around for long enough to have to honour warranty claims so could fit whatever the customer asked for 😁
stickleback123 said:
300bhp/ton said:
CaptainMorgan said:
Christ I bet that's horrific to drive with that gearbox.
???? what an odd thing to say.Kickdown would unlikely to be any slower than most modern 6-8 speed auto's.
300bhp/ton said:
Kickdown would unlikely to be any slower than most modern 6-8 speed auto's.
Yes, I've owned plenty of cars with four (and three) speed automatic gearboxes and most would have been vastly improved with a modern transmission, That statement is demonstrably untrue and a stinker even by your standards. Allow me to paraphrase:
"Kickdown on a 21st century 8 speed automatic transmission is no quicker than a 4 speed Ford 4R7xx automatic transmission with it's design roots in the 1970s."
Because ZF et al have spent the last 40 years fingering their arses rather than actually improving things, obviously. Not to mention that kickdown is just one aspect of transmission performance. I have to ask - do you think manual transmissions are improved by having more than four ratios or is four gears enough for anyone?
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 19th November 12:54
stickleback123 said:
Yes, I've owned plenty of cars with four (and three) speed automatic gearboxes and most would have been vastly improved with a modern transmission,
That statement is demonstrably untrue and a stinker even by your standards. Allow me to paraphrase:
"Kickdown on a 21st century 8 speed automatic transmission is no quicker than a 4 speed Ford 4R7xx automatic transmission with it's design roots in the 1970s."
Because ZF et al have spent the last 40 years fingering their arses rather than actually improving things, obviously. Not to mention that kickdown is just one aspect of transmission performance. I have to ask - do you think manual transmissions are improved by having more than four ratios or is four gears enough for anyone?
4 speed manuals are certainly fun yes. Even more so with an OD unit.That statement is demonstrably untrue and a stinker even by your standards. Allow me to paraphrase:
"Kickdown on a 21st century 8 speed automatic transmission is no quicker than a 4 speed Ford 4R7xx automatic transmission with it's design roots in the 1970s."
Because ZF et al have spent the last 40 years fingering their arses rather than actually improving things, obviously. Not to mention that kickdown is just one aspect of transmission performance. I have to ask - do you think manual transmissions are improved by having more than four ratios or is four gears enough for anyone?
Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 19th November 12:54
I do however disagree, all of the 6, 7 & 8 speed boxes I've driven are dithering dimwhits that take an age to kick down if you go to WOT. At least as slow as any of the electronic 4 speed ones I've driven and worse than some.
Modern forced induction engines might be more perky and give a better instant jolt. And part throttle response is quite good, but there is no denying (as I've witnessed it first hand) that they can be very slow on kickdown. I even posted it about it on here earlier in the year, where I drove a Merc A-Class. An odd car in many respects, although I thought the engine was a peach, but if you went to WOT while cruising or at part throttle, you'd wait wait wait then it'd select a gear.
The only ZF 8 speeds I've driven have been in 4x4's/SUV's, but at least in those, they were no better in this regard. I currently own two 4 speed automatic cars (coupled to n/a V8's). Neither of these gearboxes annoy me as much as the modern ones do and both I would say feel more responsive to kickdown.
stickleback123 said:
Yes, I've owned plenty of cars with four (and three) speed automatic gearboxes and most would have been vastly improved with a modern transmission,
That statement is demonstrably untrue and a stinker even by your standards. Allow me to paraphrase:
"Kickdown on a 21st century 8 speed automatic transmission is no quicker than a 4 speed Ford 4R7xx automatic transmission with it's design roots in the 1970s."
Because ZF et al have spent the last 40 years fingering their arses rather than actually improving things, obviously. Not to mention that kickdown is just one aspect of transmission performance. I have to ask - do you think manual transmissions are improved by having more than four ratios or is four gears enough for anyone?
actually chap what you really want is a 2-sp powerglide That statement is demonstrably untrue and a stinker even by your standards. Allow me to paraphrase:
"Kickdown on a 21st century 8 speed automatic transmission is no quicker than a 4 speed Ford 4R7xx automatic transmission with it's design roots in the 1970s."
Because ZF et al have spent the last 40 years fingering their arses rather than actually improving things, obviously. Not to mention that kickdown is just one aspect of transmission performance. I have to ask - do you think manual transmissions are improved by having more than four ratios or is four gears enough for anyone?
Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 19th November 12:54
The 4 speed auto fitted to the old boat anchor early 2000’a V8 Mustang was a terrible gearbox. Not just the ratios but the way it seemed to lose itself on changes and lurch you up the road on WOT. It actually made you want to cruise, which is what it was designed for. As said. No place in a proper sports car. Also, the 8 speeds are actually decent, no comparison to the crappy old slush boxes of yesteryear.
300bhp/ton said:
The only ZF 8 speeds I've driven have been in 4x4's/SUV's, but at least in those, they were no better in this regard. I currently own two 4 speed automatic cars (coupled to n/a V8's). Neither of these gearboxes annoy me as much as the modern ones do and both I would say feel more responsive to kickdown.
The ZF 8SP in my XFR-S is unbelievably responsive. If you are on the motorway and bury your foot, it's dropped 2 or 3 cogs before the pedal even touches the carpet. With the F-type derived quick shift technology, it goes up and down the gears in an almost DSG like fashion, only smoother. Left in "sport" on a backroad it is seldom, if ever in the wrong gear, varying ratio on load, throttle position, gradient etc. At times it is spookily perceptive. The 4SP in my Defender 50th is unbelievably agricultural in comparison. In fact, there really is no comparison.WTFWT said:
300bhp/ton said:
The only ZF 8 speeds I've driven have been in 4x4's/SUV's, but at least in those, they were no better in this regard. I currently own two 4 speed automatic cars (coupled to n/a V8's). Neither of these gearboxes annoy me as much as the modern ones do and both I would say feel more responsive to kickdown.
The ZF 8SP in my XFR-S is unbelievably responsive. If you are on the motorway and bury your foot, it's dropped 2 or 3 cogs before the pedal even touches the carpet. With the F-type derived quick shift technology, it goes up and down the gears in an almost DSG like fashion, only smoother. Left in "sport" on a backroad it is seldom, if ever in the wrong gear, varying ratio on load, throttle position, gradient etc. At times it is spookily perceptive. The 4SP in my Defender 50th is unbelievably agricultural in comparison. In fact, there really is no comparison.stickleback123 said:
WTFWT said:
300bhp/ton said:
The only ZF 8 speeds I've driven have been in 4x4's/SUV's, but at least in those, they were no better in this regard. I currently own two 4 speed automatic cars (coupled to n/a V8's). Neither of these gearboxes annoy me as much as the modern ones do and both I would say feel more responsive to kickdown.
The ZF 8SP in my XFR-S is unbelievably responsive. If you are on the motorway and bury your foot, it's dropped 2 or 3 cogs before the pedal even touches the carpet. With the F-type derived quick shift technology, it goes up and down the gears in an almost DSG like fashion, only smoother. Left in "sport" on a backroad it is seldom, if ever in the wrong gear, varying ratio on load, throttle position, gradient etc. At times it is spookily perceptive. The 4SP in my Defender 50th is unbelievably agricultural in comparison. In fact, there really is no comparison.Alpina shouldn't of wasted their time developing a new valve body, torque converter and transmission software for the B10 V8/V8S, they should've took a leaf out of MGs book and put a 4 speed in.
Loplop said:
Alpina shouldn't of wasted their time developing a new valve body, torque converter and transmission software for the B10 V8/V8S, they should've took a leaf out of MGs book and put a 4 speed in.
Lolz. Not just any 4 speed, a 4 speed meant for the 90s US domestic tripe. Racing Pedigree right there, that is.WTFWT said:
300bhp/ton said:
The only ZF 8 speeds I've driven have been in 4x4's/SUV's, but at least in those, they were no better in this regard. I currently own two 4 speed automatic cars (coupled to n/a V8's). Neither of these gearboxes annoy me as much as the modern ones do and both I would say feel more responsive to kickdown.
The ZF 8SP in my XFR-S is unbelievably responsive. If you are on the motorway and bury your foot, it's dropped 2 or 3 cogs before the pedal even touches the carpet. With the F-type derived quick shift technology, it goes up and down the gears in an almost DSG like fashion, only smoother. Left in "sport" on a backroad it is seldom, if ever in the wrong gear, varying ratio on load, throttle position, gradient etc. At times it is spookily perceptive. The 4SP in my Defender 50th is unbelievably agricultural in comparison. In fact, there really is no comparison.After that I had a E63-S. The Auto box in that nowhere near as good as the Jag. Not a patch.
I can now answer the DSG question. It’s in a car with similar power to the XFR (500 playing 455) and it’s 7 years newer that the Jag.
Does the DSG put the ZF in a box?
Faster?
More intuitive?
Slicker?
No.....the ZF was better on all 3 points.
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