VINS 250 road bike, incredible machine, on paper.

[Grindle]

74 bhp from a 249.5cc road bike is stunning, quite simply. I had a 1982 Yamaha TZ350, with a thoroughbred highly developed 350cc track engine and it had less bhp than this 250 street bike!
Talk is of a 105 kgs weight, so this 250 will be GSXR 600-like in acceleration, far better on a track or windy road than pretty much anything and weigh less than many mopeds.
Nigh-on 300 bhp per litre natuarally aspirated? No engine i have ever heard of, car or bike has ever got remotely close to that. Maybe a pure race 50cc or 125cc 2 stroke may have done?
I want one, but the £45,000 price would mean selling at least 2 vehicles. Decisions...

[Grindle]

I have just been told the actual prices. £42,000 and £48,000 for the track version which is 3 kgs lighter and has 2 bhp more. It's still mighty money for any bike let alone a 250. Would anyone here buy one, if finances allowed? I think the bike would re-define FUN.

[Rubin215]

Nah, I would rather have a 400bhp CB900 that weighs less than a supermodel...

[NAS]

I love the idea, and really hope the company will be here for quite some time to come.

[AceOfHearts]

I'm not a fan of the styling so wouldn't buy one even if I did have the money. If I wanted a lightweight 2 stroke I would spend a quarter of the money on a Tyga NSR250

[Prof Prolapse]

105kg dry. So what, 135kg wet?

Was a price of £43,000 confirmed? That's mental. I really don't see many sharing the excitement at that price point. There's so much you can do with that amount of money.

I also think most of the people who can afford this will need a significant diet to make the most of it...

[the tribester]

Euro5 compliant two-stroke!

Really

Are there still different emission rules for low number manufacturers?

[mak]

Grindle said:

74 bhp from a 249.5cc road bike is stunning,
I want one, but the £45,000 price would mean selling at least 2 vehicles. Decisions...

Don't you keep banging on about how a 5 grand bike is all you need

[Turn7]

AceOfHearts said:

I'm not a fan of the styling so wouldn't buy one even if I did have the money. If I wanted a lightweight 2 stroke I would spend a quarter of the money on a Tyga NSR250

Stunning looking bike....

[moto_traxport]

mak said:

Grindle said:

74 bhp from a 249.5cc road bike is stunning,
I want one, but the £45,000 price would mean selling at least 2 vehicles. Decisions...

Don't you keep banging on about how a 5 grand bike is all you need

snigger.

Anyway, slightly bored waiting for someone so decided to google images of it. Oh lordy - if I didn’t know better I would guess it was £2k Chinese made commuter!

That Rothmans NSR250 looks absolutely stunning as an ornament / something to tinker with but still no makes sense (to me) as either a track or road bike.

[Plinth]

Grindle said:

Maybe a pure race 50cc or 125cc 2 stroke may have done?

Good call.
In the early 1960’s Honda built a 50cc twin cylinder engine for racing with 15hp, which is 300hp per litre.
9-speed gearbox and max power at 19,000 RPM, said to be “mechanically safe” to spin at 20,000!

[Grindle]

Plinth said:

Grindle said:

Maybe a pure race 50cc or 125cc 2 stroke may have done?

Good call.
In the early 1960’s Honda built a 50cc twin cylinder engine for racing with 15hp, which is 300hp per litre.
9-speed gearbox and max power at 19,000 RPM, said to be “mechanically safe” to spin at 20,000!

Nice. I recently sold a road bike which as standard revved to 19,000 rpm! Maximum power at 17,800 rpm. Honda CBR250RR, grey import, 1992.
Amazingly it would pull top gear from 35 mph, albeit slowly! More than happy at low revs, it was a gem of an engine with gear driven cams and titanium valves.

[Grindle]

mak said:

Grindle said:

74 bhp from a 249.5cc road bike is stunning,
I want one, but the £45,000 price would mean selling at least 2 vehicles. Decisions...

Don't you keep banging on about how a 5 grand bike is all you need

What i need and what i want or desire, are 2 different things. I don't NEED 3 bikes and 2 cars but that makes up the current garage. I am just not sure i would put so much money to one machine, however good. It is tempting for sure. I would have to take a good look at likely resale values.
I just fancy the idea of a bike with 74 bhp, a simple 2 stroke engine and just 105 kgs to lug about, an incredible set of statistics in my book. That would be rabid fun on track days and would keep Fireblades honest on most roads in the real world. Can't help but like the idea. Sorry if that makes no sense to you. But it does to me.

[Grindle]

Prof Prolapse said:

105kg dry. So what, 135kg wet?

Was a price of £43,000 confirmed? That's mental. I really don't see many sharing the excitement at that price point. There's so much you can do with that amount of money.

I also think most of the people who can afford this will need a significant diet to make the most of it...

122kgs wet they say.