A brand new hospital

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ruggedscotty

Original Poster:

1,606 posts

157 months

Sunday 17th November
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So here we are in Scotland, with a brand new hospital that simply can not be used...

Why do we get so much wrong in this country and end up being screwed over ?

Matt Cup

1,302 posts

52 months

Sunday 17th November
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Just to add a bit of context to your rant, it is the new Edinburgh hospital you are talking about?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-edinbur...

Blue Oval84

4,707 posts

109 months

Sunday 17th November
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How can that possibly happen?!

How much could possibly have been saved by putting in smaller drains? (if indeed that's what the issue is) Surely the savings must have been tiny but ensured there was no future-proofing built in, or even present-day-proofing?

Isaac Hunt

10,617 posts

159 months

Sunday 17th November
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I was in our local hospital this month which has been built in the last few years.

One thing I instantly noticed, hardly any windows. I spoke to the nurse about it as she was basically working in a cupboard all day dealing with patient admissions. She said it was a struggle as she had no idea if it was dark, light, rainy or sunny.

It is clear those designing these places have absolutely no conception as to what it is like to work in them.

Dixy

1,682 posts

153 months

Sunday 17th November
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It is all the fault of the English/Tory government, if only Scotland had self rule.

Klippie

1,654 posts

93 months

Sunday 17th November
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Very simple explanation...SNP total and complete incompetence to properly manage a project they are in charge the buck stops with them...the sooner they are booted out of office the better.

Jasandjules

63,379 posts

177 months

Sunday 17th November
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Call me simple but surely the contractors who failed to engage adequate drainage or the designers who failed to incorporate adequate drainage are liable? They carry insurance, why should the NHS lose hundreds of millions?

ruggedscotty

Original Poster:

1,606 posts

157 months

Monday 18th November
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it is a right mess indeed. reading up on this and its going to get worse I believe, same company that's involved with the Glasgow hospital.

They have found so much wrong with this development its all on the web....

https://www.gov.scot/publications/nhs-lothian-resp...

https://www.gov.scot/publications/nhs-lothian-roya...

really worth reading the reports that have been produced. makes for shocking reading

Audicab

410 posts

195 months

Monday 18th November
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Reminds me of one of the funniest Yes Minister. It certainly was ahead of it's time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A




Alucidnation

10,771 posts

118 months

Monday 18th November
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This is what happens when you go with the cheapest bidder.


Jasey_

1,828 posts

126 months

Monday 18th November
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Let's not forget the building a load of schools that were falling down on the kids.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...


And the School built on the ex-dump giving teachers cancer.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sc...

But it's all the fault of those nasty Tories rofl


stevesingo

3,737 posts

170 months

Monday 18th November
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Jasandjules said:
Call me simple but surely the contractors who failed to engage adequate drainage or the designers who failed to incorporate adequate drainage are liable? They carry insurance, why should the NHS lose hundreds of millions?
Probably because at design review stage, the "customer" would have agreed the design* and instructed the contractor to proceed.

I failure in project management.

  • That generally means someone who hold the purse strings is impressed by the contractor's pretty picture artist impressions, not an independent QS, structural engineers, building control etc. They cost money don't ya know. Cheapest risk management measure you can do is employ competent people to review designs.
Edited by stevesingo on Monday 18th November 23:02

2fast748

573 posts

143 months

Tuesday 19th November
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See also the new Liverpool Hospital/Carillion debacle.

ruggedscotty

Original Poster:

1,606 posts

157 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Jasandjules said:
Call me simple but surely the contractors who failed to engage adequate drainage or the designers who failed to incorporate adequate drainage are liable? They carry insurance, why should the NHS lose hundreds of millions?
company went bust https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/m...

Randy Winkman

7,456 posts

137 months

Tuesday 19th November
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I thought this thread might be about one of Boris Johnson's non-existent new hospitals he's announced during one of his speeches:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov...

Though the fakery seems to extend beyond just hospitals.

Pastor Of Muppets

256 posts

10 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Ironic that the SNP have just recently released a video of 50 Achievements. They could have this in their
follow up video... 50 SNP Failures, although to be fair they would have a staggering choice of alternatives.

alangla

1,963 posts

129 months

Tuesday 19th November
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ruggedscotty said:
Jasandjules said:
Call me simple but surely the contractors who failed to engage adequate drainage or the designers who failed to incorporate adequate drainage are liable? They carry insurance, why should the NHS lose hundreds of millions?
company went bust https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/m...
I accept I'm naïve when it comes to contract law on large scale building projects, but how does the failure of a subcontractor like this become NHS Lothian/the taxpayer's problem and not Multiplex's?

stevesingo

3,737 posts

170 months

Tuesday 19th November
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alangla said:
I accept I'm naïve when it comes to contract law on large scale building projects, but how does the failure of a subcontractor like this become NHS Lothian/the taxpayer's problem and not Multiplex's?
One reason could be, if the customer specified the use of specific sub-contractors (local employment) then the risk is transferred to the customer as the Principal Contractor will refuse to hold the risk for something which is not of their choice.

ChevyChase77

977 posts

6 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Dixy said:
It is all the fault of the English/Tory government, if only Scotland had self rule.
You may joke, but here in Reading we've had a Labour run council for as long as I can remember. They closed both main swimming pools without having replacements ready. It's going to take at least 5 years to open the new pools, and yet there are still people blaming the Tory Government for the Labour run councils mess......

amgmcqueen

1,593 posts

98 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Thatcher's fault......