Deer collision

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blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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RobM77 said:
I never said the spectrum of bullying ends there, but it certainly starts there, yes, and that makes you a bully. I'm sure you're aware of that already though, seeing as you describe the accusation as "tired" and "old".
Do you want a hug?

Krikkit

26,500 posts

180 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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jsd14 said:
I have always wondered how does the insurance aspect work in these instances:
a) if you hit the deer? but no dead deer on road
b) if you swerve to avoid and damage car as result?

Obviously if you have a dash cam this is simple but at least 90+% of cars don't so surely there must be many false deer accident claims?
No help if you swerve off and crash, but if you hit it you'll be able to dig out great tufts of fur (and maybe meat/blood etc) from the car.

I've got a 50% record in terms of Muntjack running in front of me on the road - the first one was in a Puma, I couldn't swerve as it was a narrow road with oncoming traffic and trees on the verge, smack into the passenger side of the front bumper. Obliterated the bumper, broke the headlight and all the plastic clips, bent the chassis and absolutely coated everything in the engine bay with fur.

Second time I managed to avoid it once I knew where it was going, thankfully enough time as it was a wide and empty road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM5Ubn3ScSs

mikeswagon

686 posts

140 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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bigandclever said:
Far be it from me to look askew at that data, but from a database containing ~73,000 total deer collision reports between 2000 and 2010 across England and Scotland, they've somehow conjured up that that means up to 74,000 deer collisions a year. Unless the Welsh are going mental for running over Bambi (no records are available), there's some big extrapolation going on.

Page ii Section iii-v if someone wants to correct my reading smile
I saw that and had to have a scan of the study now. That was going to be bedtime reading in case I was having trouble sleeping.

So, for the period 2000 - 2005, 30.5k reported collisions, 'On basis of data to 2006, it was estimated that each year there were around 42k and possibly up to 74k DVCs in Britain'. Just over 5k reported per year, how do you get to 42k let alone 74k, and if you've got that big a range, you're estimating skills need a bit of work.

As for Wales, no stats were available, all roadkill is eaten at the scene...….

blade7

11,311 posts

215 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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mikeswagon said:
As for Wales, no stats were available, all roadkill is eaten at the scene...….

Including Sheep? Romance is dead then...

BrassMan

1,482 posts

188 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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jsd14 said:
I have always wondered how does the insurance aspect work in these instances:
a) if you hit the deer? but no dead deer on road
b) if you swerve to avoid and damage car as result?

Obviously if you have a dash cam this is simple but at least 90+% of cars don't so surely there must be many false deer accident claims?
There's no legal requirement for deer to be insured, so it will usually fall to the driver's. They're as bad as cyclists and should be made to carry registration plates...

mikeswagon

686 posts

140 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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blade7 said:
Including Sheep? Romance is dead then...
I couldn't say what happens before they're eaten, only spent a couple of days there. Nice place though.

LimaDelta

6,508 posts

217 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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mikeswagon said:
bigandclever said:
Far be it from me to look askew at that data, but from a database containing ~73,000 total deer collision reports between 2000 and 2010 across England and Scotland, they've somehow conjured up that that means up to 74,000 deer collisions a year. Unless the Welsh are going mental for running over Bambi (no records are available), there's some big extrapolation going on.

Page ii Section iii-v if someone wants to correct my reading smile
I saw that and had to have a scan of the study now. That was going to be bedtime reading in case I was having trouble sleeping.

So, for the period 2000 - 2005, 30.5k reported collisions, 'On basis of data to 2006, it was estimated that each year there were around 42k and possibly up to 74k DVCs in Britain'. Just over 5k reported per year, how do you get to 42k let alone 74k, and if you've got that big a range, you're estimating skills need a bit of work.

As for Wales, no stats were available, all roadkill is eaten at the scene...….
Double in Germany (140,000 per anum) where collisions (unlike the UK) have to be reported to the authorities.

Loads of links here: http://www.deercollisions.co.uk/pages/latest.html

MellowshipSlinky

14,673 posts

188 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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Alex said:
I hit one the DAY AFTER I picked up my brand new Civic Type R. Ran out of the verge and I had no time to take any avoiding action.



A very apt reg plate you have there following the collision...

CanAm

9,115 posts

271 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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jsd14 said:
I have always wondered how does the insurance aspect work in these instances:
a) if you hit the deer? but no dead deer on road
b) if you swerve to avoid and damage car as result?

Obviously if you have a dash cam this is simple but at least 90+% of cars don't so surely there must be many false deer accident claims?
It doesn't matter. If you have comprehensive cover the insurer will pay whether you hit an animal, crashed in avoiding one, or just crashed due to driver error.

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

53 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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CanAm said:
t doesn't matter. If you have comprehensive cover the insurer will pay whether you hit an animal, crashed in avoiding one, or just crashed due to driver error.
But will up your premiums.

Now what grounds do they have for that ? It is hardly a -- you will be more likely to have another accident-- with a random deer running out.

(Honest question)

bloomen

6,857 posts

158 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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Funky Panda said:
No idea if they helped but I fitted some deer screamers to my car when I did a road trip of Scotland a few years ago.
Hmm. Never heard of one of them before.

I'm in deer country and have taken out three in my time. They were all too sudden to swerve which is probably for the best as my school bus driver thought nothing of diving into a hedge or oncoming traffic to avoid a pheasant and risking 50 little lives.

One massive stag caught the edge of my pillar with its jaw jumping from a hedge at about 60 mph ish. That bent my pillar and no doubt would've been extremely messy if it had gotten further. Another bounced down a hillside after hitting my bonnet and smashing the lights. And another took out the whole side of my rental car and smashed the windscreen many miles from anywhere.

There've also been plenty of very, very close shaves.

GetCarter

29,358 posts

278 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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Dont like rolls said:
CanAm said:
t doesn't matter. If you have comprehensive cover the insurer will pay whether you hit an animal, crashed in avoiding one, or just crashed due to driver error.
But will up your premiums.

Now what grounds do they have for that ? It is hardly a -- you will be more likely to have another accident-- with a random deer running out.

(Honest question)
It won't up your premium if you have protected no claims. As for random deer, I guess that depends where you live. I see about 30 a day here, and regularly slam on the brakes (rather than swerve). The thing about NOT swerving I understand, but they are big buggers here that sometimes end up inside the car through the windscreen (I know of two people this has happened to), so sometimes you just have to.

Just to give you an idea of the size of them... this taken last week. You don't want this on your lap!



mikecassie

608 posts

158 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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I hit a deer once with my mums Nova, needed a new headlight and the front wing just popped back out.

I hit a deer with my Cayenne, different story. A/C Condenser, front bumper, trim, headlight, wheel arch liner...

Both deer disappeared, adrenaline is great stuff.

hoagypubdog

590 posts

143 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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We had a cyclist knock on our door last summer, he'd hit a young female roe whilst coming down Black Cock Hill ( rural Ayrshire ) managed to break his collar bone but bike held up well. My partner took him to hospital. Never saw the deer again after spotting her most mornings so presumably dead.

Edited by hoagypubdog on Wednesday 20th November 18:47

Brads67

3,199 posts

97 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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There is no where near enough deer being shot so the number of collisions will rise.

A lot of damage to cars is due to greed in deer stalking.

bigandclever

13,750 posts

237 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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LimaDelta said:
mikeswagon said:
bigandclever said:
Far be it from me to look askew at that data, but from a database containing ~73,000 total deer collision reports between 2000 and 2010 across England and Scotland, they've somehow conjured up that that means up to 74,000 deer collisions a year. Unless the Welsh are going mental for running over Bambi (no records are available), there's some big extrapolation going on.

Page ii Section iii-v if someone wants to correct my reading smile
I saw that and had to have a scan of the study now. That was going to be bedtime reading in case I was having trouble sleeping.

So, for the period 2000 - 2005, 30.5k reported collisions, 'On basis of data to 2006, it was estimated that each year there were around 42k and possibly up to 74k DVCs in Britain'. Just over 5k reported per year, how do you get to 42k let alone 74k, and if you've got that big a range, you're estimating skills need a bit of work.

As for Wales, no stats were available, all roadkill is eaten at the scene...….
Double in Germany (140,000 per anum) where collisions (unlike the UK) have to be reported to the authorities.

Loads of links here: http://www.deercollisions.co.uk/pages/latest.html
Yeah, the main report that comes up with this fantasy number is in there ...
http://www.deercollisions.co.uk/web-content/ftp/DV...

S9 thru S12 ‘explains’ how they’ve come up with the number. Must be true, made-up numbers can’t lie.


Brads67

3,199 posts

97 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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blade7 said:
Do you want a hug?
Can you actually patronise someone to whom you don't exist ?

I've always found the "ok hun" st quite simple minded.

RSTurboPaul

10,219 posts

257 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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LimaDelta said:
swisstoni said:
andyxxx said:
LimaDelta said:
Estimated at around 70,000 hit by cars per year in the UK,.
I'm sure there are loads - but I can't believe that estimate.
I can’t believe there are 70k deer in the entire British Isles let alone that number being struck by vehicles every year.
There are 1.5 to 2 million of the six native species in the UK. As I said earlier, the highest number for over 1000 years.
That's an interesting statistic - I wonder why that is?

Dynion Araf Uchaf

4,424 posts

222 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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about 15 years ago, I was driving with my family toward Henley when I was overtaken by an aggressive tit in a Pug 406 estate, which then cut me up and approx 20 secs later absolutely ttted a poor unsuspecting deer leaping across the road. The deer rolled down the road, obviously dead and the 406 was utterly mangled. One of the few times when fate was on hand to deal the hand of karma fairly to all concerned.

Jasey_

4,824 posts

177 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
One of the few times when fate was on hand to deal the hand of karma fairly to all concerned.
Except the deer