Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol. 3)

Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol. 3)

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harrylee1

20 posts

41 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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beadmu said:
Misha and Robert do more maths in Misha's channel.

Not sure if Buddy Wyrick did the production on the video published by TG. Kinda sketchy that one.
Buddy Wyrick is super sketch. He's doing the editing and production of all the content so far through his new app Driven Plus. And he's issued a statement on IG saying that they're still working on the official film footage - exclusively to be released on the app. Buddy and SSC seem like they're committing fraud and driving traffic to some new app.

ro250

2,734 posts

56 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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614-HSO said:
So the BBC and Top Gear were involved, not surprised it's fake and lies, something like this would never have happened on Top Gear when Jezza was involved with the show.

Ha! Yeah, nothing was ever contrived for entertainment purposes when he was involved! biggrinrolleyes

614-HSO

1,279 posts

47 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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ro250 said:
614-HSO said:
So the BBC and Top Gear were involved, not surprised it's fake and lies, something like this would never have happened on Top Gear when Jezza was involved with the show.

Ha! Yeah, nothing was ever contrived for entertainment purposes when he was involved! biggrinrolleyes
That is true, but Jezza wouldn't allow lies to be portrayed as facts, he said once on film that he said what he wanted about the cars he drove and reviewed if they were rubbish he would say they were he didn't care what the car company did or banned him from reviewing anymore cars because it is all about trust and if you lose peoples trust what is the point, nobody will believe you.

The BBC and Top Gear will do anything to get publicity for the show now, it's rubbish and it has turned Chris Harris into a shadow of his former self, he used to be great but I don't like him anymore.

ro250

2,734 posts

56 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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614-HSO said:
That is true, but Jezza wouldn't allow lies to be portrayed as facts, he said once on film that he said what he wanted about the cars he drove and reviewed if they were rubbish he would say they were he didn't care what the car company did or banned him from reviewing anymore cars because it is all about trust and if you lose peoples trust what is the point, nobody will believe you.

The BBC and Top Gear will do anything to get publicity for the show now, it's rubbish and it has turned Chris Harris into a shadow of his former self, he used to be great but I don't like him anymore.
Fair enough. There's other threads to discuss TG but you are absolutely right. I stopped watching it ages ago.

Chris Harris

494 posts

152 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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614-HSO said:
That is true, but Jezza wouldn't allow lies to be portrayed as facts, he said once on film that he said what he wanted about the cars he drove and reviewed if they were rubbish he would say they were he didn't care what the car company did or banned him from reviewing anymore cars because it is all about trust and if you lose peoples trust what is the point, nobody will believe you.

The BBC and Top Gear will do anything to get publicity for the show now, it's rubbish and it has turned Chris Harris into a shadow of his former self, he used to be great but I don't like him anymore.
At last someone acknowledges my weight-loss! Thank you! (I like you too, you seem like a thoroughly nice chap!)

Mezzanine

9,149 posts

218 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Chris Harris said:
614-HSO said:
That is true, but Jezza wouldn't allow lies to be portrayed as facts, he said once on film that he said what he wanted about the cars he drove and reviewed if they were rubbish he would say they were he didn't care what the car company did or banned him from reviewing anymore cars because it is all about trust and if you lose peoples trust what is the point, nobody will believe you.

The BBC and Top Gear will do anything to get publicity for the show now, it's rubbish and it has turned Chris Harris into a shadow of his former self, he used to be great but I don't like him anymore.
At last someone acknowledges my weight-loss! Thank you! (I like you too, you seem like a thoroughly nice chap!)
hehe

jon-

16,497 posts

215 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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614-HSO

1,279 posts

47 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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jon- said:
SSC doesn't seem to have added anything to support their claim.

Palos has posted about this as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2jt7MJBGKE

Even if Misha and Tim are wrong, the maths and physics do not seem to imply that they are, so many top YouTubers have gone in on Tim's video and commented that SSC have to come out 110% to show why the video is why it is and answer the questions raised, also if Top Gear were involved as it seems they could have been, they need to say what they know as well.

SVJBalboni

479 posts

53 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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Remember when Misha put out a video claiming the Performante faked the lap record and couple years later he suggested the SVJ faked it as well because he claimed the car that ran the lap wasn't a true production car? He sure loves to hear himself talk so he can feel important so it's no surprise he had to drop a video after Shmee.

I don't care for Misha but hopefully Shmee knows what he's doing and he's right about all this because reading comments on IG and forums there's a lot of people who don't like him including some hypercar owners. If it turns out that SCC actually set the record it's game over for Shmee and his credibility in the automotive sphere.

Edited by SVJBalboni on Tuesday 27th October 22:13

CooperS

4,500 posts

218 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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SVJBalboni said:
Remember when Misha put out a video claiming the Performante faked the lap record and couple years later he suggested the SVJ faked it as well because he claimed the car that ran the lap wasn't a true production car? He sure loves to hear himself talk so he can feel important so it's no surprise he had to drop a video after Shmee.

I don't care for Misha but hopefully Shmee knows what he's doing and he's right about all this because reading comments on IG and forums there's a lot of people who don't like him including some hypercar owners. If it turns out that SCC actually set the record it's game over for Shmee and his credibility in the automotive sphere.

Edited by SVJBalboni on Tuesday 27th October 22:13
Will it.... I think it won't matter or effect Tim eitherway. Because as a subject it doesn't matter.

Ok. Maybe some collection owners might turn the other way buti doubt it. His businesses bread and butter of being sympathetic in providing his views on tuners cars or anyone trying to punt a car will mean his supply won't dry up.

jon-

16,497 posts

215 months

Tuesday 27th October 2020
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SVJBalboni said:
Remember when Misha put out a video claiming the Performante faked the lap record and couple years later he suggested the SVJ faked it as well because he claimed the car that ran the lap wasn't a true production car? He sure loves to hear himself talk so he can feel important so it's no surprise he had to drop a video after Shmee.

I don't care for Misha but hopefully Shmee knows what he's doing and he's right about all this because reading comments on IG and forums there's a lot of people who don't like him including some hypercar owners. If it turns out that SCC actually set the record it's game over for Shmee and his credibility in the automotive sphere.

Edited by SVJBalboni on Tuesday 27th October 22:13
Tim's videos are usually safe, and while this one is a little more meaty, it's still super safe. He's made it clear he's not "going after" SSC, nore does he actually accuses them of not breaking the record, just that from the footage provided, the video doesn't match the story.

SSC have had a few opportunities to reply, but so far the reply is "We did it, so just believe us" without any real depth to their defense.

Maybe if I was SSC right now, I'd be keeping quiet for a few more days, get a few more news articles up there, then provide the evidence and get a whole load more stories, it's great PR. Lots of people will now know about this car who wouldn't have before.

red_slr

17,123 posts

188 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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There is only one way to put this to bed and thats go back and do the run again.

Using proper timing gear (i.e point to point timing with beams) with independent 3rd party verification.

Even if SSC say ahh here is the real video because ooops we made a mistake... ho-ho-ho then its still not enough they need to do it again IMVHO.

Syndrome280

273 posts

110 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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I'll be honest, while I find Shmee rather insufferable for the same reasons SniffPetrol parody him, he's gained quite a bit of respect from me over his Tuatara video. I thought he raised excellent points, wasn't overly strung out and pitched at a very respectful level.

IMHO it seems pretty obvious from his video, and subsequently more detailed analysis by people such as Misha, that SSC have been caught cooking their GPS data and are trying to cover it off by posting "GPS verified it you know" then disabling comments on their social media.

-Z-

5,980 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Syndrome280 said:
I'll be honest, while I find Shmee rather insufferable for the same reasons SniffPetrol parody him, he's gained quite a bit of respect from me over his Tuatara video. I thought he raised excellent points, wasn't overly strung out and pitched at a very respectful level.

IMHO it seems pretty obvious from his video, and subsequently more detailed analysis by people such as Misha, that SSC have been caught cooking their GPS data and are trying to cover it off by posting "GPS verified it you know" then disabling comments on their social media.
As per the other thread even the GPS makers Dewetron have now said they have nothing to do with it and have not validated it in any way. That's the final nail in the coffin, for me.

https://cloud.dewetron.com/s/tJzr6HqrzcSZ2gG#pdfvi...


jon-

16,497 posts

215 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Well that's bad for SSC. Real bad.

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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That's going to be one costly lunch & learn webinar laugh

Option A: SSC come out fighting, calling any and all debunking videos or data...fake news.
Option B: SSC go very, very quiet, the website vanishes, all social media stops.

Sometime later, a Bugatti car transporter is seen near Las Vegas...

-Z-

5,980 posts

205 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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NFC 85 Vette said:
That's going to be one costly lunch & learn webinar laugh

Option A: SSC come out fighting, calling any and all debunking videos or data...fake news.
Option B: SSC go very, very quiet, the website vanishes, all social media stops.

Sometime later, a Bugatti car transporter is seen near Las Vegas...
The whole thing so far seems to be out of the Donald Trump playbook. Which is funny as if you had to guess, who do you think Jerod Shelby is voting for?



anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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-Z- said:
The whole thing so far seems to be out of the Donald Trump playbook. Which is funny as if you had to guess, who do you think Jerod Shelby is voting for?
Picture the scene, the Don - so enraged at accusations of a fine, upstanding American business potentially caught cheating, addresses the nation while campaigning:

"We have lots of medians, they're tremendous medians, they're the best, I've seen them. The cactus too, just outside Vegas, I like them very much. It was a record, a real record, a tremendous record, and the GPS from Austria wasn't good, so we fixed it. Mike Pence fixed it - it worked, it worked really well."

All said while playing his invisible accordian.

2020, what a year...

beadmu

40 posts

48 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Oli Webb just posted a video and is answering some comments about the WR run on his IG. He seems genuinely clueless with the actual GPS data and was informed that the speed on his dash isn't accurate.

Syndrome280

273 posts

110 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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-Z- said:
Syndrome280 said:
I'll be honest, while I find Shmee rather insufferable for the same reasons SniffPetrol parody him, he's gained quite a bit of respect from me over his Tuatara video. I thought he raised excellent points, wasn't overly strung out and pitched at a very respectful level.

IMHO it seems pretty obvious from his video, and subsequently more detailed analysis by people such as Misha, that SSC have been caught cooking their GPS data and are trying to cover it off by posting "GPS verified it you know" then disabling comments on their social media.
As per the other thread even the GPS makers Dewetron have now said they have nothing to do with it and have not validated it in any way. That's the final nail in the coffin, for me.

https://cloud.dewetron.com/s/tJzr6HqrzcSZ2gG#pdfvi...

Hadn't honestly seen that, but neither is it a surprise. Thanks for the link.
Each time someone pulls on one strand of this "record" a couple more shady and dubious things are dragged into the light. I think there's a saying about "if it walks like a duck" which applies here.

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