Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol. 3)
Discussion
-Z- said:
Syndrome280 said:
I'll be honest, while I find Shmee rather insufferable for the same reasons SniffPetrol parody him, he's gained quite a bit of respect from me over his Tuatara video. I thought he raised excellent points, wasn't overly strung out and pitched at a very respectful level.
IMHO it seems pretty obvious from his video, and subsequently more detailed analysis by people such as Misha, that SSC have been caught cooking their GPS data and are trying to cover it off by posting "GPS verified it you know" then disabling comments on their social media.
As per the other thread even the GPS makers Dewetron have now said they have nothing to do with it and have not validated it in any way. That's the final nail in the coffin, for me. IMHO it seems pretty obvious from his video, and subsequently more detailed analysis by people such as Misha, that SSC have been caught cooking their GPS data and are trying to cover it off by posting "GPS verified it you know" then disabling comments on their social media.
https://cloud.dewetron.com/s/tJzr6HqrzcSZ2gG#pdfvi...
How did they think they were going to get away with this? It is basically over for SSC now.
I just hope Koenigsegg can get the Jesko out for a run to take it officially.
Statement from SSC, vague explanation that they messed up the videos somehow and now claiming that the car has a 2.92 final drive not 3.11. Still no GPS or correct video released...
Update Two, 10/28: In response to the controversy, SSC CEO Jerod Shelby has released this additional, lengthy statement:
On October 10, 2020, SSC North America realized a dream that was a decade in the making, when our Tuatara hypercar achieved an average top speed of 316.11 MPH. In the days since, there has been a swirl of interest and speculation about how and whether the Tuatara had achieved that speed.
The good news: we did it, and the numbers are indeed on our side.
The bad news: only after the fact [emphasis SSC's—Ed. ] did we realize that the depiction of the speed run, in video form, had been substantially incorrect.
The following is a long explanation of what and how this happened, to the extent we now know. I hope it will serve to build trust in the SSC team, and in the exceptional feat the Tuatara has earned.
The Video
Three years ago, SSC began working with Driven Studios, a video team to document what seemed like every waking moment of the Tuatara hypercar and those who've created it.
They've since interviewed virtually every team member and consultant, captured the car in build and throughout extensive testing, and have played a key role in not only capturing, but in producing the record run on October 10 in Pahrump, Nevada. They have become a trusted partner of the SSC family.
On the big day, October 10, there were video cameras everywhere—in the cockpit, on the ground, and even secured on a helicopter a low-flying T33 to capture the car at speed.
The morning of the run, the record was achieved, we were over the moon. We kept the news under embargo until October 19, with hopes of releasing a video to accompany the press release.
On October 19, the day the news broke, we thought [emphasis SSC's—Ed. ] there were two videos that had been released—one from the cockpit, with data of the speed run overlaid, and another video of b-roll running footage. The cockpit video was shared with Top Gear, as well as on the SSC and Driven+ YouTube pages.
Somehow, there was a mixup on the editing side, and I regret to admit that the SSC team hadn't double checked the accuracy of the video before it was released. We also hadn't realized that not one, but two different cockpit videos existed, and were shared with the world.
Hypercar fans have quickly cried foul, and we hadn't immediately responded, because we had not realized the inconsistencies—that there were two videos, each with inaccurate information—that had been shared. This was not our intention. Like me, the head of the production team had not initially realized these issues, and has brought on technical partners to identify the cause of the inconsistency.
At first glance, it appears that the videos released have differences in where the editors had overlaid the data logger (which displays speed), in relation to the car's location on the run. That variance in 'sync points' accounts for differing records of the run.
While we had never intended for the video captured to play the role of legitimizing the run, we are regretful that the videos shared were not an accurate representation of what happened on October 10.
Driven Studios does have extensive footage of everything that transpired and is working with SSC to release the actual footage in its simplest form. We'll share that as soon as it's available.
The Car
On the day of the speed run, SSC used Dewetron equipment to track the Tuatara, and verify its speed, as measured by an average of 15 satellites across the two runs. We chose Dewetron for the sophistication of its equipment, and using that has given us confidence in the accuracy of the car's measured speed.
People have sought additional details, which hadn't provided in earlier press materials, and those technical specifications are listed below:
Tuatara (Top Speed Model) Tech Specs
Ratios/Speed, using the 2.92 final-drive ratio
Gear Ratios/Top Speed (Gears 1-6 have 8,800 RPM REV LIMIT)
1st Gear: 3.133 / 80.56 MPH
2nd Gear: 2.100 / 120.18 MPH
3rd Gear: 1.520 / 166.04 MPH
4th Gear: 1.172 / 215.34 MPH
5th Gear: .941 / 268.21 MPH
6th Gear: .757 / 333.4 MPH @ 8800*
7th Gear: .625 / 353.33 MPH (Estimated max @7,700RPM in 7th gear - Designed as mainly an overdrive highway cruising gear)
Aerodynamic Specs:
Drag goes from 0.279 up to 0.314 at 311mph (500kph)
Car is producing approx. 770lbs of downforce at 311mph
It is calculated that car needs 1,473 HP to achieve 311 mph (500 kph)
In order to calculate the required power the following assumptions were made:
The rolling resistance coefficient of the tires has been obtained from the manufacturer (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2) declared energy class: E.
The overall drivetrain efficiency (from crankshaft to wheel) has been set to 94%.
The air density has been set to 1,205 kg/m3 (which is found at 20°C at sea level).
The vehicle mass has been set to 1474 kg = 1384 kg curb weight + 90 kg driver.
Tires:
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
Rear Tire Diameter / Circumference: 345/30ZR20
Normal Running Pressure = 35psi
88.5" Circumference
28.185" Diameter
WORLD RECORD RUNNING PRESSURE = 49psi
89.125" Circumference
28.38" Diameter
How the Speed Was Measured
The SSC team received a piece of Dewetron equipment for its use in the speed run. The SSC team was trained remotely (due to COVID) on the use of that equipment.
The Dewetron equipment includes sensors placed in the vehicle, that tracked an average of 15 satellites over the course of the Tuatara top speed run.
Two independent witnesses, not affiliated with SSC nor Dewetron, were on site to view the speeds measured by the Dewetron equipment. SSC intends to submit proof of what those witnesses had seen on the Dewetron equipment to Guinness for verification.
On October 22, Dewetron sent a letter to SSC confirming the accuracy of the equipment and speed sensor they had provided to SSC, and that letter will also be submitted to Guinness as part of application for the world top speed record.
As an additional step, SSC is in the process of submitting the Dewetron equipment and speed sensor for further analysis and verification of that equipment's accuracy.
Update Two, 10/28: In response to the controversy, SSC CEO Jerod Shelby has released this additional, lengthy statement:
On October 10, 2020, SSC North America realized a dream that was a decade in the making, when our Tuatara hypercar achieved an average top speed of 316.11 MPH. In the days since, there has been a swirl of interest and speculation about how and whether the Tuatara had achieved that speed.
The good news: we did it, and the numbers are indeed on our side.
The bad news: only after the fact [emphasis SSC's—Ed. ] did we realize that the depiction of the speed run, in video form, had been substantially incorrect.
The following is a long explanation of what and how this happened, to the extent we now know. I hope it will serve to build trust in the SSC team, and in the exceptional feat the Tuatara has earned.
The Video
Three years ago, SSC began working with Driven Studios, a video team to document what seemed like every waking moment of the Tuatara hypercar and those who've created it.
They've since interviewed virtually every team member and consultant, captured the car in build and throughout extensive testing, and have played a key role in not only capturing, but in producing the record run on October 10 in Pahrump, Nevada. They have become a trusted partner of the SSC family.
On the big day, October 10, there were video cameras everywhere—in the cockpit, on the ground, and even secured on a helicopter a low-flying T33 to capture the car at speed.
The morning of the run, the record was achieved, we were over the moon. We kept the news under embargo until October 19, with hopes of releasing a video to accompany the press release.
On October 19, the day the news broke, we thought [emphasis SSC's—Ed. ] there were two videos that had been released—one from the cockpit, with data of the speed run overlaid, and another video of b-roll running footage. The cockpit video was shared with Top Gear, as well as on the SSC and Driven+ YouTube pages.
Somehow, there was a mixup on the editing side, and I regret to admit that the SSC team hadn't double checked the accuracy of the video before it was released. We also hadn't realized that not one, but two different cockpit videos existed, and were shared with the world.
Hypercar fans have quickly cried foul, and we hadn't immediately responded, because we had not realized the inconsistencies—that there were two videos, each with inaccurate information—that had been shared. This was not our intention. Like me, the head of the production team had not initially realized these issues, and has brought on technical partners to identify the cause of the inconsistency.
At first glance, it appears that the videos released have differences in where the editors had overlaid the data logger (which displays speed), in relation to the car's location on the run. That variance in 'sync points' accounts for differing records of the run.
While we had never intended for the video captured to play the role of legitimizing the run, we are regretful that the videos shared were not an accurate representation of what happened on October 10.
Driven Studios does have extensive footage of everything that transpired and is working with SSC to release the actual footage in its simplest form. We'll share that as soon as it's available.
The Car
On the day of the speed run, SSC used Dewetron equipment to track the Tuatara, and verify its speed, as measured by an average of 15 satellites across the two runs. We chose Dewetron for the sophistication of its equipment, and using that has given us confidence in the accuracy of the car's measured speed.
People have sought additional details, which hadn't provided in earlier press materials, and those technical specifications are listed below:
Tuatara (Top Speed Model) Tech Specs
Ratios/Speed, using the 2.92 final-drive ratio
Gear Ratios/Top Speed (Gears 1-6 have 8,800 RPM REV LIMIT)
1st Gear: 3.133 / 80.56 MPH
2nd Gear: 2.100 / 120.18 MPH
3rd Gear: 1.520 / 166.04 MPH
4th Gear: 1.172 / 215.34 MPH
5th Gear: .941 / 268.21 MPH
6th Gear: .757 / 333.4 MPH @ 8800*
7th Gear: .625 / 353.33 MPH (Estimated max @7,700RPM in 7th gear - Designed as mainly an overdrive highway cruising gear)
- FYI: Cross reference validations from data log
Aerodynamic Specs:
Drag goes from 0.279 up to 0.314 at 311mph (500kph)
Car is producing approx. 770lbs of downforce at 311mph
It is calculated that car needs 1,473 HP to achieve 311 mph (500 kph)
In order to calculate the required power the following assumptions were made:
The rolling resistance coefficient of the tires has been obtained from the manufacturer (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2) declared energy class: E.
The overall drivetrain efficiency (from crankshaft to wheel) has been set to 94%.
The air density has been set to 1,205 kg/m3 (which is found at 20°C at sea level).
The vehicle mass has been set to 1474 kg = 1384 kg curb weight + 90 kg driver.
Tires:
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
Rear Tire Diameter / Circumference: 345/30ZR20
Normal Running Pressure = 35psi
88.5" Circumference
28.185" Diameter
WORLD RECORD RUNNING PRESSURE = 49psi
89.125" Circumference
28.38" Diameter
How the Speed Was Measured
The SSC team received a piece of Dewetron equipment for its use in the speed run. The SSC team was trained remotely (due to COVID) on the use of that equipment.
The Dewetron equipment includes sensors placed in the vehicle, that tracked an average of 15 satellites over the course of the Tuatara top speed run.
Two independent witnesses, not affiliated with SSC nor Dewetron, were on site to view the speeds measured by the Dewetron equipment. SSC intends to submit proof of what those witnesses had seen on the Dewetron equipment to Guinness for verification.
On October 22, Dewetron sent a letter to SSC confirming the accuracy of the equipment and speed sensor they had provided to SSC, and that letter will also be submitted to Guinness as part of application for the world top speed record.
As an additional step, SSC is in the process of submitting the Dewetron equipment and speed sensor for further analysis and verification of that equipment's accuracy.
TheLuke said:
Who the hell gives these people funding? Do they just give any moron with an idea some cash.
TGE & Archie: “That’s right. What you after?”
SSC: “It’s VITAL we give no clues away that it’s fake”
TGE & Archie: “You can rely on us. No one will ever find out”
SSC CEO responds: https://www.topgear.com/car-news/ssc-responds-331m...
red_slr said:
Completely irresponsible (and frankly stupid) to boot a notoriously squirmy Ferrari in such a dangerous place....but can you imagine that feeling as the car settled with the airbags deployed!! Also TGE first podcast up on Spotify, not surprised at his attitude towards London. Apart from select areas, it’s not a pleasant place to be these days. Even less so when you’re in a car. Interested to see where his content goes now as by the sounds of it, he’s got some decent roads around his new place.
birdcage said:
Made through glass and schmee 9000076 drive me mental. How they could not drive anyone mental is beyond me.
You don't hear Melvin Bragg using the word 'guys' every millisecond.
Made Through Glass You don't hear Melvin Bragg using the word 'guys' every millisecond.
I think Sam does well with his videos, I rarely hear the term 'guys' from them, though the made-up words like the Schquad and Shmeemobile drive me nuts HubNut is a refreshing diversion from the minted West London types
Horsey McHorseface said:
SSC: “We heard you do fake videos?”
TGE & Archie: “That’s right. What you after?”
SSC: “It’s VITAL we give no clues away that it’s fake”
TGE & Archie: “You can rely on us. No one will ever find out”
TGE & Archie: “That’s right. What you after?”
SSC: “It’s VITAL we give no clues away that it’s fake”
TGE & Archie: “You can rely on us. No one will ever find out”
red_slr said:
Just glad nobody else got hurt in that.https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nfoxtv_itv4-lovecar...
Looks like it should be interesting, and plenty of youtubers in there for this thread!
Looks like it should be interesting, and plenty of youtubers in there for this thread!
jon- said:
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nfoxtv_itv4-lovecar...
Looks like it should be interesting, and plenty of youtubers in there for this thread!
Finally, a car show to look forward to again on TV - can't waitLooks like it should be interesting, and plenty of youtubers in there for this thread!
Wills2 said:
Chris Harris said:
At last someone acknowledges my weight-loss! Thank you! (I like you too, you seem like a thoroughly nice chap!)
Don't waste your time on this thread get on to the TG thread and give them hell and yes you have dropped a few pounds.CourtAgain said:
rofl: Made Through Glass
I think Sam does well with his videos, I rarely hear the term 'guys' from them, though the made-up words like the Schquad and Shmeemobile drive me nuts HubNut is a refreshing diversion from the minted West London types
Wait until he opens the 'Shmuseum' I think Sam does well with his videos, I rarely hear the term 'guys' from them, though the made-up words like the Schquad and Shmeemobile drive me nuts HubNut is a refreshing diversion from the minted West London types
ro250 said:
Wills2 said:
Chris Harris said:
At last someone acknowledges my weight-loss! Thank you! (I like you too, you seem like a thoroughly nice chap!)
Don't waste your time on this thread get on to the TG thread and give them hell and yes you have dropped a few pounds.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff