Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 3)

Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc? (Vol 3)

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J4CKO

28,936 posts

149 months

Monday 13th January
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johnwilliams77 said:
Burwood said:
I’d wager, in excess of 170mph min. You could prosecute on the evidence in that video.
My gut reaction was 120-150mph but very possibly could ben 150+.

He seems to think he is smart by having the camera facing his face but I have never seen the scenery pass so quickly on a video in the UK!
Didn't he said it did a 9.7 quarter mile, so a terminal speed of around 150 mph, bear in mind they were already moving at what seventy/eighty and plus he "pins" it for three to five seconds.

Glenn63

657 posts

33 months

Monday 13th January
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Burwood said:
J4CKO said:
Adrian250 said:
johnwilliams77 said:
It kills me to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6kDI8YaNCI

But he REALLY needs to slow down, especially in other peoples cars.
Really, really hope they were filmed on multiple dash cams and reported to the police for driving like that on a public road. All his vids demonstrate the same disregard for the rules of the road. If he knows that the cars are fast (which he clearly does), then book some time on a piece of private land and film several at once to make it cost effective. I like driving just as much as everyone on this forum, but that just takes the absolute pi$$. What a pair of tw@ts
I bet they went marginally over 70 mph on a of couple of occasions there !

I wonder what speed they actually hit there ?

Past houses and side roads....

I have occasionally got carried away and hit illegal speeds, very quickly, in a car with a third of the power, he gets egged on by the people in the comments, well, until he wipes out a family coming the other way at 150 in a two two missile.

Like that Subaru taking the biker out the other day.
I’d wager, in excess of 170mph min. You could prosecute on the evidence in that video.
Except you can’t prosecute with ‘I guesstimate it was roughly around 150mph maybe’

J4CKO

28,936 posts

149 months

Monday 13th January
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Glenn63 said:
Burwood said:
J4CKO said:
Adrian250 said:
johnwilliams77 said:
It kills me to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6kDI8YaNCI

But he REALLY needs to slow down, especially in other peoples cars.
Really, really hope they were filmed on multiple dash cams and reported to the police for driving like that on a public road. All his vids demonstrate the same disregard for the rules of the road. If he knows that the cars are fast (which he clearly does), then book some time on a piece of private land and film several at once to make it cost effective. I like driving just as much as everyone on this forum, but that just takes the absolute pi$$. What a pair of tw@ts
I bet they went marginally over 70 mph on a of couple of occasions there !

I wonder what speed they actually hit there ?

Past houses and side roads....

I have occasionally got carried away and hit illegal speeds, very quickly, in a car with a third of the power, he gets egged on by the people in the comments, well, until he wipes out a family coming the other way at 150 in a two two missile.

Like that Subaru taking the biker out the other day.
I’d wager, in excess of 170mph min. You could prosecute on the evidence in that video.
Except you can’t prosecute with ‘I guesstimate it was roughly around 150mph maybe’
Dont the Police have methods to get a fairly accurate speed from a video though ?

I dont want to see him get nicked (or worse), just needs to wind it in a bit as nobodies guesstimates would fall anywhere within the speed limits on those roads, low end would be double the NSL, higher end getting on for three times.

Its getting progressively more ridiculous with each video, you cant get away with that stuff indefinitely.


red_slr

9,753 posts

138 months

Monday 13th January
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Glenn63 said:
Except you can’t prosecute with ‘I guesstimate it was roughly around 150mph maybe’
Wasn't it Derbyshire police who recently prosecuted someone for filming themselves whilst driving then they calculated the speed just going off items on the roadside like trees and walls?

IIRC it was a ban.

Personally looking at the speed that GTR passes other traffic he is easily 2x the legal limit if not more.

Glenn63

657 posts

33 months

Tuesday 14th January
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red_slr said:
Glenn63 said:
Except you can’t prosecute with ‘I guesstimate it was roughly around 150mph maybe’
Wasn't it Derbyshire police who recently prosecuted someone for filming themselves whilst driving then they calculated the speed just going off items on the roadside like trees and walls?

IIRC it was a ban.

Personally looking at the speed that GTR passes other traffic he is easily 2x the legal limit if not more.
Yes but that was one continuous clip looking out the front so they could calculate point to point an average speed. Lots of different clips/snippets here and there makes it very difficult. There was someone else that when they gave a squirt of power the video changed to a front shot travelling at normal speeds even though the sound of revs and gear changes was still there.

Dave Hedgehog

12,070 posts

153 months

Tuesday 14th January
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johnwilliams77 said:
He seems to think he is smart by having the camera facing his face but I have never seen the scenery pass so quickly on a video in the UK!
I have only twice

1) When monkey was a passenger in the road legal F1 GTR (with no seat or belt)

2) Shmee's ride along video in the P1 (the infamous owner that wiped out a car giving passenger rides) going down the M-Way where you could see the speedo hit 180. Video was pulled.


Both these clowns in the Nissan need some jail time for driving like that on the public road.

swampy442

182 posts

160 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Glenn63 said:
Except you can’t prosecute with ‘I guesstimate it was roughly around 150mph maybe’
I wish you could, compare a car doing 70 from the same angle, play side by side, its obvious. If LLF (or anyone else) got taken to court there's no way they could deny it

Burwood

14,404 posts

195 months

Tuesday 14th January
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johnwilliams77 said:
Burwood said:
I’d wager, in excess of 170mph min. You could prosecute on the evidence in that video.
My gut reaction was 120-150mph but very possibly could ben 150+.

He seems to think he is smart by having the camera facing his face but I have never seen the scenery pass so quickly on a video in the UK!
Take a look at 22.10. The car is coming off very high speed and rips by another car as if it's stationary. It's at least 100mhp there, he then floors it for a whole 9 seconds. If you look at other 1000hp GTRs (and this has more?)they can manage 100-150 in 5 sec flat. The car was doing at least 170, probably more.

Other youtube videos of '1000hp' cars which illustrate the speedo show a very unscientific 176mph indicated under similar conditions.

Beefmeister

15,513 posts

179 months

Tuesday 14th January
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That may all be true, but you can’t prove any of it from those videos sadly.

And what are the police going to do? Tail him every day, waiting for him to film a video so he can be caught? He’s just one muppet in a sea of muppets.

Sad state of affairs. We can but hope that he gets caught out before he spits himself off the road at 150mph and kills some/many/all people.

Dave Hedgehog

12,070 posts

153 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Beefmeister said:
That may all be true, but you can’t prove any of it from those videos sadly.

reasonably straightforward, they have software that can work out speeds from a video

or just a straight charge of dangerous driving

Chr1sch

2,517 posts

142 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Loving the GFWilliams content, really well made and the Exige is clearly a labour of love.

The LLF GTR video is so polarising, the car is undeniably impressive, the driving (coming from someone who enjoys putting their foot down) is so blatantly unbelievably fast I can't help but wince at the inevitable crash or prosecution.

I can only assume he provides some level of reassurance to the owners that its on him if they get caught or that he can hide their speed to such a degree they can afford to put their foot down.

Beefmeister

15,513 posts

179 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Beefmeister said:
That may all be true, but you can’t prove any of it from those videos sadly.

reasonably straightforward, they have software that can work out speeds from a video

or just a straight charge of dangerous driving
Nope, as it's already been discussed in the thread - there's a big difference between these videos and say, Joe Achilles' video.

I stand by my comment that you can't prove any of it from the videos themselves. In the eyes of LLF's lawyer, if you will.

Now if he was in a courtroom, in front of a jury and they had to decide whether they thought he was driving dangerously (which would probably only happen if he killed someone by accident) that's another matter - they have to decide if he's guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.

Burwood

14,404 posts

195 months

Tuesday 14th January
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Beefmeister said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
Beefmeister said:
That may all be true, but you can’t prove any of it from those videos sadly.

reasonably straightforward, they have software that can work out speeds from a video

or just a straight charge of dangerous driving
Nope, as it's already been discussed in the thread - there's a big difference between these videos and say, Joe Achilles' video.

I stand by my comment that you can't prove any of it from the videos themselves. In the eyes of LLF's lawyer, if you will.

Now if he was in a courtroom, in front of a jury and they had to decide whether they thought he was driving dangerously (which would probably only happen if he killed someone by accident) that's another matter - they have to decide if he's guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.
I won't labour the point, it's been done to death smile I do believe the CPS could bring a case of Dangerous Driving. Aggressive driving is one of the conditions and the threshold in speeding DD matters is on the balance of probability.

phil4

546 posts

187 months

Tuesday 14th January
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I may be wrong, but I'd have though to have a reasonable chance of a prosecution the police would need to know:
-who
-where
-when
-what

We know who, and we know what roughly. We could be more specific with the video footage analysis, but that still leaves where and when, again these would need to be reasonably specific.

jon-

15,833 posts

165 months

Tuesday 14th January
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phil4 said:
I may be wrong, but I'd have though to have a reasonable chance of a prosecution the police would need to know:
-who
-where
-when
-what

We know who, and we know what roughly. We could be more specific with the video footage analysis, but that still leaves where and when, again these would need to be reasonably specific.
"Where" would need to be accurate enough to be without reasonable doubt, which can be very difficult from an internal looking back shot.

RobDown

3,740 posts

77 months

Tuesday 14th January
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...and there's all you guys watching his videos and effectively promoting them on here


egor110

12,211 posts

152 months

Tuesday 14th January
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RobDown said:
...and there's all you guys watching his videos and effectively promoting them on here
Exactly.

Despite being morally outraged at the reckless speeds he drives at , they all wait for and watch his next video so they can yet again be outraged.

Anyone can contact the police if there really that concerned .

Beefmeister

15,513 posts

179 months

Tuesday 14th January
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egor110 said:
Exactly.

Despite being morally outraged at the reckless speeds he drives at , they all wait for and watch his next video so they can yet again be outraged.

Anyone can contact the police if there really that concerned .
I've never watched one of his videos. Okay that's a lie, I watched one for 36 seconds, but his 'innit bruv' plus the vacant expression when driving at stupid speeds made me switch off right away.

red_slr

9,753 posts

138 months

Tuesday 14th January
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I love seeing Tony rip the p*ss out of AH.

AH "I am going to win the Porsche cup".
Tony "what Scalextric?"
AH "no... (serious face) Porsche GT4 cup".
Tony "remote control?"

biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin

AH (sad face) "so you coming to the first race"
Tony "no."

biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin


Leicester Loyal

1,443 posts

71 months

Tuesday 14th January
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johnwilliams77 said:
It kills me to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6kDI8YaNCI

But he REALLY needs to slow down, especially in other peoples cars.
That's fking ridiculous speeds for a public road, gotta be 150ish. He absolutely left that bike and pinned it for about 4 seconds.